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Trump: 'US will not allow transgender individuals to serve in military' [W:144]

JANFU said:
Nope
Why recruiting 80,000 new soldiers is tough for U.S. Army
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Sorry, but I'm actually in the Army and we are over-strength in many job specialties. This recent need was the direct result of having to make up for Obama's choice to forcibly downsize the military. Plus, the military tends to over recruit. I've seen a lot of people get separated due to there not being slots open for promotion and them meeting their maximum Time in Service. Don't worry, that 80,000 is either not actually needed or it will be obtained. A handful of transgender isn't going to cover it. There is estimated to be a total a little over 6,000 total currently serving.
 
Fishking said:
Yes, there is a lot of waste in the military.
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Bottom line, a couple hours of education costs nothing. It has no impact on training time whatsoever. Training time is expensive and planned long in advance. We fill the time between with various non-job details.
 
And he tweets it!! What a Jerk! Where does he think he is? The word "Impeachment" is getting more and more airtime. His supporters can last only so long before their own careers are in jeopardy and they bail on his pathetic ass.
 
VanceMack said:
Sure...because flamboyantly gay military personnel are relegated to the Coast Guard and desk jobs. Because openly 'out' homosexuals are seldom placed in forward deployed environments by senior leadership because they know better than the ****head politicians that are trying to use the military as a social platform. For the same reason the Dont Ask Dont Tell policy 'worked'. Badass soldiers did their job and no one gave a **** about their sexual orientation because it was NEVER an issue.

Where did you do your basic? Have you ever been forward deployed during your career?
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When did you complete your basic? 1970? People today aren't as homophobic as ya'll were. The military's own internal studies showed 70% thought letting people openly serve would be positive or make no difference.
 
JANFU said:
Oh but I have
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Unless you are suggesting service members break a serious law to get out there's very little chance you're going to get anything except an article 15 or 32 and in more serious cases the brig.


Your original suggestion is ridiculous and calls into question whether you served as you say.
 
vash1012 said:
When did you complete your basic? 1970? People today aren't as homophobic as ya'll were. The military's own internal studies showed 70% thought letting people openly serve would be positive or make no difference.
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uh huh.


First they make you take some idiotic 'sensitivity training' and then strongly suggest how you should answer.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I can understand the reasoning behind not allowing people to undergo the procedure while in uniform since the military has to carry the cost, but transgender is a pretty broad term: what about those already serving? There's a transgender LT in my brigade headquarters, is she going to be kicked out?
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The Defense Department spends 10 times as much money on Viagra and other erectile dysfunction medications than it spends on healthcare services for transgender troops
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The military spends more on giving retirees erections than on transgender troops
 
vash1012 said:
When did you complete your basic? 1970? People today aren't as homophobic as ya'll were. The military's own internal studies showed 70% thought letting people openly serve would be positive or make no difference.
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1983. And you?
 
Today, transgender Americans serving in the military know what it feels like to be a Trump University student.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
False equivalence, diabetes is not trans....again, you were probably sick that day. Further, the functionality argument is being conflated with costs, yet I still have yet to see you argue that women should not serve based on the revulsion to extra MEDICAL costs.
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It's not a false equivalence. Women do not require constant injections and blood tests to ensure they have the proper balance of blood sugar like diabetics do, nor do they require hormone treatments, a therapist, and constant blood tests like a trans person does. Hence, women do not add multiple personnel to the military's payroll to support a single soldier's specialized needs.

If I get sick, I'll need a week or two of antibiotics, but if I become diabetic, I would require blood tests and injections for the rest of my life. If I decide I want to begin the transition to womanhood, I now require constant blood tests, hormone injections, and a therapist to help me deal with the extreme pressures of my life drastically changing, and the military simply doesn't see reason to include people who have specialized medical needs in their employ.

Sick = temporary need for medicine, and you get to stay in the armed forces.

Diabetic = indefinite need for checkups and medicines, so the military picks someone more able-bodied than you to serve. Transitioning is MORE medically intensive than diabetes, if anything, so people who decide to transition are also turned down from military service.
 
cabse5 said:
If Trump's base is concerned with an army that can effectively fight America's enemies, then yes, they are/Trump is bigoted in that area.

What are the transgendered's qualifications being considered other than being transgendered? In other words, IMO, more identity politics.
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Are you under the impression that transgenders in the military don't have to meet any other standards other than being trans? What "qualifications" do they have? Uh.. the same as everyone else? Did you think they get to skip basic and all the training?

EMNofSeattle said:
That's a deflection and you know it.
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Is it? What did I deflect? Does all the trans-gear one has to carry on missions not fit in a rucksack? What is this trans-gear?

Fishking said:
Of course you missed the part specifically talking about during or post transition. Also, you make no rational disagreement and just flail about emotionally and call names. You lose.
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No, I didn't, I'm talking about post transition. Why should they be banned years after their procedure?

Fishking said:
Yes, that must be it. It totally cannot be that she has personal experience as a trans individual and also a veteran. Gotta love the BS from the left. They are all in support of their pet groups so long as they don't leave the ideological plantation, then you're an Uncle Tom and it's OK to say all kinds of nasty things about them.
Pathetic.
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If I saw a black, gay, or christian arguing that blacks, gays, and christians shouldn't be soldiers I'd say the same thing.

Mac77 said:
Don't make assumptions that you don't know about
I know a lot of libs here like to claim big things about themselves that may or may not be true
But I have never said one way or the other about my military service since its none of your business
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Sure, you've never said anything about your military service, but let's face it, we all know you don't have any. That sure doesn't stop you from pretending to speak for all veterans everywhere.


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Trans people have been successfully serving in our military for generations. Here's a restored picture from the Korean war.
 
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Parrish said:
Funny how people are quick to think that transgender soldiers, sailors, marines etc will seek medical care when the DoD pays out $84 million for ER meds. Can't get it up? Get Uncle Sam to pay for your Viagra.
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As I said, I am not as nervous about the operation, though, I do not see, why the public should pay for it. My concern would be more with recruiting persons for battle engagement from risk groups or from groups that depend on continuous medication. The logistics are too difficult in extremis and the military is all about being prepared for extremis.
 
Mostly chance is the only conviction he has. Trump can't pass legislation or make any big policy changes, but he can do a few superficial things like this here and there to rile up his bigoted base. but this is not a good step.
 
He did state in opinion . Apparently you don't agree with it. My guess is that he is probably right.
 
BillRM said:
An the non gay troop that will loss the support of highly train fellow soldiers up to fairly high rank officers in performing combat missions.
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Highly trained but unavailable for two years of a 4 year enlistment due to sex change operations
 
apdst said:
That's what recruiters are for. There isn't a manpower shortage in the country.
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National manpower does not automatically translate to recruitment numbers. We are still a volunteer force.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
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Trans people have been successfully serving in our military for generations. Here's a restored picture from the Korean war.
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Typical liberal logic

Max Klinger is a fictional character from a movie
 
calamity said:
It's still discrimination.
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The US Army is not a democracy

Transgenders are sick puppies with a lot of personal problems who do not serve the needs of the military so they dont belong there

This is all about whats best for the military not what they want
 
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