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Trump to deploy National Guard in response to Los Angeles immigration protests

pedex said:
He tried . Pelosi stopped him. According to Congressional testimony.
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No she didn’t. Pelosi didn’t have the authority to stop him and no congressional testimony stated she had stopped him.

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Fuller context;


No congressional testimony definitively confirms that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi stopped a request from then-President Donald Trump to deploy the National Guard on January 6, 2021. Multiple sources, including fact-checking reports and official statements, indicate this claim is unsupported or false.
The claim stems from assertions by Trump and some Republican figures, alleging Pelosi rejected a request for 10,000 or 20,000 National Guard troops. However, several key points refute this:
  1. Authority Over National Guard: Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, did not have the authority to direct or block National Guard deployment. The National Guard in Washington, D.C., is under presidential control, as D.C. is not a state with a governor. The Capitol Police Board, consisting of the House Sergeant at Arms, Senate Sergeant at Arms, and Architect of the Capitol, oversees Capitol security decisions, but there’s no evidence Pelosi was informed of or rejected a preemptive Guard request.
  2. No Evidence of Trump’s Order: While Trump claimed he requested 10,000 troops, no formal order or documentation supports this. Former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller testified that Trump mentioned needing 10,000 troops in a brief January 5, 2021, call but provided no elaboration, and no formal directive was issued. Pentagon records and testimony from officials like General Mark Milley and Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy confirm no such order existed.
  3. Pelosi’s Actions During the Attack: Video footage from January 6, recorded by Alexandra Pelosi and later released by HBO, shows Pelosi questioning why the National Guard wasn’t present and urging their deployment as the Capitol was breached. She expressed frustration, saying, “Why weren’t the National Guard there to begin with?” and took responsibility for not ensuring better preparation, but this refers to oversight failures, not rejecting a request. Both Pelosi and then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called for military assistance during the riot.
  4. Capitol Police Board Decisions: Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund testified that his requests for National Guard support were denied or delayed by the Capitol Police Board, particularly by House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, who cited concerns about “optics.” However, Sund’s testimony does not indicate Pelosi directed this decision. Irving himself testified he did not discuss Guard deployment with congressional leadership before January 6.
  5. Republican Claims and Counterarguments: Some Republicans, like Rep. Barry Loudermilk, have pointed to Pelosi’s statements in the HBO footage as evidence of her responsibility for security failures. They argue she acknowledged a lapse in preparation, but this does not equate to rejecting a specific Trump request. Democrats, like Rep. Joseph Morelle, counter that blaming Pelosi shifts focus from Trump’s role in inciting the riot and the Pentagon’s delays in deploying the Guard.
  6. X Posts and Misinformation: Posts on X, such as those from
    @MJTruthUltra
    and
    @BoLoudon, claim Pelosi admitted to rejecting Trump’s request, citing the HBO footage. However, these misinterpret her statements, which express regret for inadequate security planning, not a refusal of a specific order. Such posts reflect sentiment but lack corroborating evidence and are not conclusive.
In summary, congressional testimony and investigations, including the House Select Committee on January 6 and subsequent GOP-led reviews, found no evidence that Pelosi stopped a Trump request for National Guard deployment. The narrative appears to be a misrepresentation of security failures and Pelosi’s comments about responsibility, amplified by partisan claims. Delays in Guard deployment were attributed to miscommunications, bureaucratic issues, and Pentagon hesitancy, not Pelosi’s actions
 
HumblePi said:
I suppose your eyes didn’t witness the protests going on around the country, and those protests were not only about immigration. The protests were elderly people scared to death that they’re going to lose their Medicare or Medicaid. These were white, every day Americans protesting against an authoritarian who threatened their very existence in order for the wealthiest Americans to control their lives. So no, this is more complex than you seem to think it is. This is not only about immigration and the loss of people’s rights to due process of the law. This is about the health, financial security and well-being of the majority of people in this country.
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Yes we've watch prior episodes of Democrats don't accept election results and thus have to "protest" about the consequences of elections.

This isn't that. They're not deploying the National Guard because Grandma is worried about Social Security or Fed workers are sad they can't work from home.
 
gbg3 said:
I think that's complicated and not clearly defined. Here is a pretty good AP description of some of the complicated and potentially overlapping authorities.

apnews.com

What to know about Trump's deployment of National Guard troops to LA protests

President Donald Trump says he’s deploying 2,000 California National Guard troops to Los Angeles to respond to immigration protests, over the objections of California Gov.
apnews.com apnews.com
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Just what we want in law enforcement.... complicate and not clearly defined.
 
Emlee said:
No she didn’t. Pelosi didn’t have the authority to stop him and no congressional testimony stated she had stopped him.

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Fuller context;


No congressional testimony definitively confirms that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi stopped a request from then-President Donald Trump to deploy the National Guard on January 6, 2021. Multiple sources, including fact-checking reports and official statements, indicate this claim is unsupported or false.
The claim stems from assertions by Trump and some Republican figures, alleging Pelosi rejected a request for 10,000 or 20,000 National Guard troops. However, several key points refute this:
  1. Authority Over National Guard: Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, did not have the authority to direct or block National Guard deployment. The National Guard in Washington, D.C., is under presidential control, as D.C. is not a state with a governor. The Capitol Police Board, consisting of the House Sergeant at Arms, Senate Sergeant at Arms, and Architect of the Capitol, oversees Capitol security decisions, but there’s no evidence Pelosi was informed of or rejected a preemptive Guard request.
  2. No Evidence of Trump’s Order: While Trump claimed he requested 10,000 troops, no formal order or documentation supports this. Former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller testified that Trump mentioned needing 10,000 troops in a brief January 5, 2021, call but provided no elaboration, and no formal directive was issued. Pentagon records and testimony from officials like General Mark Milley and Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy confirm no such order existed.
  3. Pelosi’s Actions During the Attack: Video footage from January 6, recorded by Alexandra Pelosi and later released by HBO, shows Pelosi questioning why the National Guard wasn’t present and urging their deployment as the Capitol was breached. She expressed frustration, saying, “Why weren’t the National Guard there to begin with?” and took responsibility for not ensuring better preparation, but this refers to oversight failures, not rejecting a request. Both Pelosi and then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called for military assistance during the riot.
  4. Capitol Police Board Decisions: Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund testified that his requests for National Guard support were denied or delayed by the Capitol Police Board, particularly by House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, who cited concerns about “optics.” However, Sund’s testimony does not indicate Pelosi directed this decision. Irving himself testified he did not discuss Guard deployment with congressional leadership before January 6.
  5. Republican Claims and Counterarguments: Some Republicans, like Rep. Barry Loudermilk, have pointed to Pelosi’s statements in the HBO footage as evidence of her responsibility for security failures. They argue she acknowledged a lapse in preparation, but this does not equate to rejecting a specific Trump request. Democrats, like Rep. Joseph Morelle, counter that blaming Pelosi shifts focus from Trump’s role in inciting the riot and the Pentagon’s delays in deploying the Guard.
  6. X Posts and Misinformation: Posts on X, such as those from
    @MJTruthUltra
    and
    @BoLoudon, claim Pelosi admitted to rejecting Trump’s request, citing the HBO footage. However, these misinterpret her statements, which express regret for inadequate security planning, not a refusal of a specific order. Such posts reflect sentiment but lack corroborating evidence and are not conclusive.
In summary, congressional testimony and investigations, including the House Select Committee on January 6 and subsequent GOP-led reviews, found no evidence that Pelosi stopped a Trump request for National Guard deployment. The narrative appears to be a misrepresentation of security failures and Pelosi’s comments about responsibility, amplified by partisan claims. Delays in Guard deployment were attributed to miscommunications, bureaucratic issues, and Pentagon hesitancy, not Pelosi’s actions
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she admitted responsibility and according to the chain in command in DC she had to approve it
 
BirdinHand said:
Actually, if you go through my post history here - you can see where I’ve been saying that we need to change the immigration laws around H1 visas for several years that I’ve been on this site.

So gaslight someone else and pick a topic I’m less informed about if you want to attempt to gaslight me.

I’ve been a consistent advocate for immigration reform - and consistent advocate screaming about how EMPLOYERS and those holding power have kept the current system in place for THEIR benefit for years.

I have no beef with individuals that are doing the very best they can for their families and themselves. The VAST MAJORITY of immigrants - regardless of what status or classification they hold - are solid, hard working individuals that have sought a better life for themselves and are normal, everyday people just trying to do the best they can.

I don’t view immigrants coming to this country to try to make a better life for themselves any differently than I view MY ancestors. That fled bullshit in Ireland and elsewhere. That faced discrimination and horrific working conditions when they arrived here. We changed the system since my family came here - or it could be my ancestors being rounded up no differently than folks are being rounded up today 🤷‍♀️. My family would never have been able to afford the attorneys, etc necessary to abide the current system. 🤷‍♀️. Our current system is designed for the rich, not the average person.

I’m also not one that has fallen for the propaganda to look DOWN the economic and power food chain/ladder to place blame.

We need immigrants in the US. Our immigration system is purposefully designed the way that it is by those holding power to keep people downtrodden and exploit them.

It could be changed, easily.

Billionaires like Trump and Musk do not want that.

Trump employed undocumented immigrants. Trump continues to employ individuals on visa statuses that do not allow those individuals a path towards becoming green card holders and citizens. Musk has terminated citizens and green card holders and replaced them with H1 visa holders.

The billionaires don’t want to change the immigration system because many of the classifications within our current immigration system trap people in statuses where an employer holds all the cards and where the legal status of an individual is contingent upon employer sponsorship - and therefore a person cannot object to their work environment, their wages, their employer policies, etc.

By design.

Wake up.
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We've all been awake. It is Democrats who continue to uphold illegal immigration and refuse to allow immigration enforcement.

You don't like the system. Well throwing pieces of concrete blocks at ICE vehicles and refusing to allow state resources to work with ICE and Federal Agencies is the sort of bad faith actions that show you can't be partnered with going forward.

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP.

Many of us have been talking about this since NAFTA, Ross Perot and the giant sucking sounds of the middle class being destroyed back then.

Action is being taken and your party just had four years where all they did was allow millions in.

You'll find me the video of Biden calling in the national guard to prevent that right? No you wont.

You didn't just snooze. You lost because concern trolling and doing nothing is no longer tolerated. You've failed. You've lost. Now get out of the way of those handling business.
 
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Problem? They aren't there yet.

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pedex said:

she admitted responsibility and according to the chain in command in DC she had to approve it
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LOL

First off, that’s not congressional testimony that she officially stopped the NG from being deployed as you claimed.

And no, according to the chain of command in DC she did not have to approve it.

The chain of command in DC is the President, the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Army and Commanding General of the DCNG.

Second, I just posted about that in a different thread but I’ll repost it here.


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That was just one more thing that was cherry picked, taken out of context, amplified by dear leader and mindlessly parroted throughout the magasphere.

Fuller context:


Video footage from January 6, 2021, recorded by Nancy Pelosi’s daughter, Alexandra, shows Pelosi expressing frustration over the lack of National Guard presence at the Capitol during the riot. In the clips, she says, “I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more” and “We have totally failed. We need to take some responsibility for not moving to secure.”

These statements have been interpreted by some, particularly Republicans, as Pelosi admitting fault for the security failures that day. The footage was obtained by the House Administration’s Subcommittee on Oversight from HBO and released in June and August 2024.

However, context is critical.

As House Speaker, Pelosi did not have direct authority over Capitol security or the deployment of the National Guard.

The Capitol Police Board, consisting of the House Sergeant at Arms, Senate Sergeant at Arms, and Architect of the Capitol, is responsible for such decisions. The National Guard can only be deployed by the President, Secretary of Defense, or Army Secretary. Records show that Pelosi approved a request from the House Sergeant at Arms to seek National Guard support at 1:40 p.m. on January 6, about 30 minutes after rioters breached the Capitol, though Pentagon delays meant troops arrived four hours later.

Pelosi’s statements in the footage reflect her frustration with the lack of preparedness by security officials, not a formal admission of legal or operational responsibility.

She also criticized Capitol Police leadership and emphasized that the focus should remain on former President Donald Trump’s role in inciting the riot. Multiple fact-checks, including by PolitiFact and The Associated Press, confirm that Pelosi was not responsible for security decisions and did not block National Guard deployment. Claims otherwise, often pushed by Trump and his supporters, lack evidence and misrepresent her role.

In summary, while Pelosi expressed regret for not pushing for better preparation, she did not have the authority to deploy the National Guard, and her comments do not equate to taking full blame for the security failures on January 6.

The narrative that she was primarily responsible is a distortion, as security decisions rested with the Capitol Police Board and Pentagon officials
 
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trumptman said:
We've all been awake. It is Democrats who continue to uphold illegal immigration and refuse to allow immigration enforcement.

You don't like the system. Well throwing pieces of concrete blocks at ICE vehicles and refusing to allow state resources to work with ICE and Federal Agencies is the sort of bad faith actions that show you can't be partnered with going forward.

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP.

Many of us have been talking about this since NAFTA, Ross Perot and the giant sucking sounds of the middle class being destroyed back then.

Action is being taken and your party just had four years where all they did was allow millions in.

You'll find me the video of Biden calling in the national guard to prevent that right? No you wont.

You didn't just snooze. You lost because concern trolling and doing nothing is no longer tolerated. You've failed. You've lost. Now get out of the way of those handling business.
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Slurp those boots.

You believe a liar and you support fascist behavior.

Own it and be proud.
 
pedex said:

she admitted responsibility and according to the chain in command in DC she had to approve it
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That's not what she said.
Typical NY Post misleading headline bullshit.
NY Post is a tabloid. Stop reading it. It's not good for one's brain.
 
HumblePi said:
I don’t know how you can describe this as a “strange battle” ? This is about authoritarianism, and how citizens rise up against it.
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That's your view. Another is it's about shielding illegals from deportation and harming ICE agents to deliberately prevent them from doing their job. And, yes, we have citizens (Dems and illegals) who are strongly opposing and fighting deportation of illegals who have no right to be in our country. Dems are once again supporting, protecting, and encouraging illegals, including criminals - and these Dems are engaging in lawlessness to do so.
 
Jezcoe said:
Just what we want in law enforcement.... complicate and not clearly defined.
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Who has authority and in what circumstances is often complicated.

Just look at how border enforcement (using the very same existing border and immigration laws) has been treated by two different presidents and look at the difference in outcomes. It's day and night.
 
gbg3 said:
That's your view. Another is it's about shielding illegals from deportation and harming ICE agents to deliberately prevent them from doing their job. And, yes, we have citizens (Dems and illegals) who are strongly opposing and fighting deportation of illegals who have no right to be in our country. Dems are once again supporting, protecting, and encouraging illegals, including criminals - and these Dems are engaging in lawlessness to do so.
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Many immigrants gainfully employed in this country are paying taxes, they are not eligible for social benefits such as healthcare, Medicaid or food stamps, if anyone tells you they are, they're a liar. They are more law-abiding than many citizens because they don't want to lose their jobs, their homes and their families by committing any crimes and risk being deported.

Guess what's the downside for the average American when labor is reduced on goods that are essential? Prices go up for everyday food items such as produce. Labor costs rise for construction, landscaping, electrical installations, etc. It all goes up, and it goes up a lot, which ultimately hurts the pocketbooks of ordinary American consumers.
 
gbg3 said:
Who has authority and in what circumstances is often complicated.

Just look at how border enforcement (using the very same existing border and immigration laws) has been treated by two different presidents and look at the difference in outcomes. It's day and night.
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That is actually an interesting point.

If Texas has the legal authority to put Death Buoys in the Rio Grande for international border enforcement does California have the right to disband National Guardsmen for domestic law enforcement?
 
gbg3 said:
Who has authority and in what circumstances is often complicated.

Just look at how border enforcement (using the very same existing border and immigration laws) has been treated by two different presidents and look at the difference in outcomes. It's day and night.
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Yeah - we didn’t see Biden sending ICE agents into neighborhoods in military style vehicles and gear and shooting tear gas at innocent bystanders and peaceful protests.

Yet he deported how many people?

Same with Obama. We didn’t see him sending militarized vehicles and ICE agents dressed in military gear wearing masks into residential neighborhoods - and he deported millions.

This administration is purposefully inciting and enticing reactions.

They seem to want violence.

Why?
 
HumblePi said:
Michael Flynn had this plan before the Jan 6 insurrection. A military takeover of government. Just like any 3rd world country. Wait until Americans are murdered by their own fellow countrymen, dressed up in military uniforms and shooting protesters with military weapons.
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There we go, immediately right the hell off the freakin' rails into tin foil hat territory. That didn't take long.
 
Part of this guy's message is to tell people to make sure they keep their "papers" in their pockets.

😳😳😳😳



 
Anthony60 said:
There we go, immediately right the hell off the freakin' rails into tin foil hat territory. That didn't take long.
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This is dictator Trump going '"right the hell off the freakin' rails".

Trump wants to mobilize active-duty U.S. military Marines, not just the National Guard, which will be illegal unless he invokes the Insurrection Act. Now, this is a whole other thing, sending active military to put down civilian protests, goes over the line. The National Guard should be able to handle the situation without the necessity of using U.S. active-duty Marines.
 
Problem- Illegal immigrants need to be arrested.

Trumps America solution...
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Go ahead, tell me this isn't just theatrics. Tell me it's not all posturing. Tell me that squads of masked men in military get-ups are needed to do a job that used to be done by a couple guys in suits.
What a shit-show.
 
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