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Trump to deploy National Guard in response to Los Angeles immigration protests

Risky Thicket said:
And here it begins. We knew Trump has been waiting, building up to the right moment. Finally, he has a chance to use the military against civilians.

It is the beginning.
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Absentglare said:
He literally told us he was planning to deploy the military against hypothetical, non-existent protests.

He’s trying to provoke a civil war.
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Tangmo said:
The USA armed forces will not open fire using military weapons against unarmed civilian Americans. This is a RED LINE that Trump has been made clear about since his first presidency.
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All of this is true... for now.

Trump is an unadulterated fascist megalomaniac. He wants confrontation. He's baiting all of us. He will continue to take provocative actions and push until he hits resistance. At some point he will, as Tangmo said, ask the military to cross that red line. At that point, he will learn that there are higher principles in military service than accepting orders from a criminal. Not all of them, mind you, but nearly. And very few will abide his efforts to pervert military service to his ends. That will be the end.
 
Tangmo said:
The military isn't going to be shooting anyone (except in self defense).

The military refused to do Trump's mass deportation because this is what would be happening throughout the country. The US military does not exist to arrest innocent civilians or to shoot and kill unarmed civilian citizens. The Generalissimo Trump knows this by now, that the RED LINE for the armed forces is shooting unarmed civilian citizens / residents in the USA.

Neither is the military going to take control of any governments at any level. Besides, there is no such thing as federal martial law -- not in statute and not in the Constitution. Governors can do martial law but the Potus/C'nC cannot do a federal martial law. The Founders were clear about this.
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This is the beginning, the next step as Trump further divides the nation.

You are correct in that military does not have the authority to arrest civilians.

I cannot imagine being put in a position where I would have to use force against civilians.

Trump’s motives are political. He has said that. He is using the military to make a point and to establish himself as powerful. The world perceives him as weak and rightfully so.
 
HumblePi said:

Trump to deploy National Guard in response to Los Angeles immigration protests​

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/08/trump-national-guard-immigration-la-protests.html
President Donald Trump on Saturday night signed an order to deploy 2,000 members of the National Guard in response to protests over federal immigration protests in Los Angeles, the White House said.

“In recent days, violent mobs have attacked ICE Officers and Federal Law Enforcement Agents carrying out basic deportation operations in Los Angeles, California,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement.
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Story is just breaking, but I will add that this is exactly what I predicted more than a year ago.
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I'm so old I can remember when Democrats were declaring that they had no obligation to assist the Federal Government and ICE with immigration matters.

Clearly this is far more than not assisting. This is active impediment, interference and insurrection.

They are literally taking sides against the U.S. Government and FOR foreign invaders.
 
NWRatCon said:
All of this is true... for now.

Trump is an unadulterated fascist megalomaniac. He wants confrontation. He's baiting all of us. He will continue to take provocative actions and push until he hits resistance. At some point he will, as Tangmo said, ask the military to cross that red line. At that point, he will learn that there are higher principles in military service than accepting orders from a criminal. Not all of them, mind you, but nearly. And very few will abide his efforts to pervert military service to his ends. That will be the end.
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Trump will aim for the very tippy top of that red line, the sliver so thin it’s pink enough for people to argue that it isn’t truly red.

These people have a keen radar for the limits of the abuses they can heap onto their victims. They go just enough to not prompt that big confrontation that they would genuinely lose. They fragment it into these little conflicts, against isolated groups they can handle easily. They are currently focused on “illegal immigrants”, it’s a simple segue to the “radical left” who they will slap on any group that opposes him.
 
Absentglare said:
Trump will aim for the very tippy top of that red line, the sliver so thin it’s pink enough for people to argue that it isn’t truly red.

These people have a keen radar for the limits of the abuses they can heap onto their victims. They go just enough to not prompt that big confrontation that they would genuinely lose. They fragment it into these little conflicts, against isolated groups they can handle easily. They are currently focused on “illegal immigrants”, it’s a simple segue to the “radical left” who they will slap on any group that opposes him.
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I didn't expect to approach that line so quickly.
 
When the time comes, we will be grateful that our troops are disciplined and loyal to the Constitution. 250 years of faithful service.

By the way, his call for the militia is flat out illegal.

10 USC §12406. National Guard in Federal service: call​

Whenever—

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;

(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or

(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.
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None of the conditions exist.
 
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NWRatCon said:
Fascists gotta fascist. There is no emergency. No insurrection. No basis.
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Indeed the Pentagon is still stalling on the DHS request of May 9th for 20,000 National Guard to do the mass deportation.

Army Sec. Dan Driscoll advised Sen. Jack Reed of RI who is ranking Democrat on Armed Services that while the Army "is preparing to provide the forces," he hasn't received any details on what the troops would be doing. Driscoll confirmed to Reed that he would not deploy the Guard "for any unlawful purposes." There are a number of unanswered questions, Driscoll said, including whether "sending troops from one state to another is lawful."

So while Trump and Hegseth The Horrible are struggling to get the resistant Joint Chiefs aligned with 'em on deployment of Red State NG troops to so called "Sanctuary Cities" in Blue States, this in LA has come along to give Trump and Hegseth another shot at deploying the NG in CA which Gov. Newsome just said he opposes but isn't clear he as governor can do anything to stop.


As of yesterday....

DHS memo details how National Guard troops will be used for immigration enforcement​


National Guard troops would be used in immigration-enforcement activities, including in "night operations and rural interdiction," as well as "guard duty and riot control" inside detention facilities, according to a memo from the Department of Homeland Security obtained by NPR. DHS officials requested 20,000 National Guard troops three weeks ago, but this memo details what duties those troops will be asked to perform. The memo, dated May 9, from DHS, says the department will need up to 3,500 Guard personnel for its requirement to "Attempt to Locate — Fugitives." Another 2,500 Guard soldiers would be needed for detention support. The memo says up to 10,000 troops would be needed for transportation support, including "intra-and inter state transport of detainees/unaccompanied alien children." And another 1,000 troops would be used for such duties as document translation and interview assistance. The Pentagon has not yet approved the request.

 
Tangmo said:
The military isn't going to be shooting anyone (except in self defense).

The military refused to do Trump's mass deportation because this is what would be happening throughout the country. The US military does not exist to arrest innocent civilians or to shoot and kill unarmed civilian citizens. The Generalissimo Trump knows this by now, that the RED LINE for the armed forces is shooting unarmed civilian citizens / residents in the USA.

Neither is the military going to take control of any governments at any level. Besides, there is no such thing as federal martial law -- not in statute and not in the Constitution. Governors can do martial law but the Potus/C'nC cannot do a federal martial law. The Founders were clear about this.
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What was the self-defense at Kent State? Or any of the times the US military was called out to shoot strikers?

The military doesn’t have a good track record of refusing to fire on US citizens.
 
NWRatCon said:
I didn't expect to approach that line so quickly.
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Yeah but for most of last year Trump and his Blowhard Flatfoot Thug Cop Homan were talking about using the National Guard -- and the active duty force "if necessary" -- for two fascist pogroms.

To do the "mass deportation" and to do the "mass roundup" of Trump's "enemies within" liberals to detain in camps and ship out of the USA.

Between Nov 5th and Jan. 20th the Pentagon was absolutely clear and firm it will not do either. Absolutely NOT. With the "mass deportation" being a bust Trump and Homan have become desperate enough to tell the Pentagon it needs 20,000 NG troops to in fact do the mass deportation -- and unsaid at this point, the "mass roundup" of libruls.

The Joint Chiefs and the SecArmy are stalling on the 20,000 NG troops request by DHS since May 9th. Trump and Homan now are grabbing this in LA for openers, yes, as many here have posted. Trump, Homan and Hegseth want unarmed people shot down where they stand which will not happen. The USA National Guard remembers Kent State in 1970 and their ugly reputation since -- that they continue to try to live down nationally.
 
Hamish Howl said:
This should be interesting.

It's hardly surprising. Trump has been drooling for a chance to use soldiers on American citizens.
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Not shocking. He's a fascist.

They're all subuman fascist apes.

Also, **** the troops. They're mindless drones that will absolutely just follow orders and shoot people protesting. it's what they do historically.
 
LostInSeattle said:
Why are some posters calling out "Dems" and "Progressives" as if some people on the left with a political agenda orchestrated this?

It's taking place in Paramount, a city that is 73% Hispanic, with a median age of 33. All signs point to this being a spontaneous reaction to ICE trying to snatch up friends, family and neighbors. It was a deliberately provocative show of force to drive through the streets in armored vehicles with tactical camoflage.
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The people doing this believe in a puppet master pulling strings and are also sheltered beyond belief in their cult echo chambers. They think because Trump barely won the popular vote it means the entire country loves him and his policies including his fascism and white supremacist immigration policies.
 
Absentglare said:
Trump will aim for the very tippy top of that red line, the sliver so thin it’s pink enough for people to argue that it isn’t truly red.

These people have a keen radar for the limits of the abuses they can heap onto their victims. They go just enough to not prompt that big confrontation that they would genuinely lose. They fragment it into these little conflicts, against isolated groups they can handle easily. They are currently focused on “illegal immigrants”, it’s a simple segue to the “radical left” who they will slap on any group that opposes him.
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True.

However, the Pentagon has refused to do Trump's "mass deportation" which is why it's a total bust, ie, only the military can accomplish a "mass deportation" on the whopping scale the dizzy lunatic madman Trump envisages. Nor will the military do Trump's "mass roundup" of the Generalissimo's "enemy within" liberals to stick into camps and eject from the country.

So yes, this 2000 NG Trump is activating for the Paramount section of LA is a toe in the water. While the NG is excellent in natural disasters the NG sucks at civil disorders. Which is why Trump has jumped at using the LA civil disorders to activate CA NG troops. We'll find out soon which units Trump has activated and who their commanders are.
 
Bonnot said:
Not shocking. He's a fascist.

They're all subuman fascist apes.

Also, **** the troops. They're mindless drones that will absolutely just follow orders and shoot people protesting. it's what they do historically.
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Ignorance and phobias toward the armed forces make for a fiery combination.
 
This pits Governor Newsom against President Trump. "Governors almost always control the deployment of National Guard troops in their states. But the directive signed by Mr. Trump cites '10 U.S.C. 12406,” referring to a specific provision within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. Part of that provision allows the federal deployment of National Guard forces if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.'"

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"President Trump took extraordinary action on Saturday by calling up 2,000 National Guard troops to quell immigration protests in California, making rare use of federal powers and bypassing the authority of the state’s governor, Gavin Newsom."

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"Mr. Trump’s directive authorized the secretary of defense to “employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.” In Mr. Hegseth’s post on X, he said that active duty Marines were “on high alert” at Camp Pendleton, about 100 miles south of Los Angeles, and could also be mobilized."

 
gbg3 said:
It is not okay to attack ICE officers doing their job, vandalize property, attempt to breach federal buildings, slash tires and burn cars. This needs to be stopped immediately.
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I think the lawlessness of Donald Trump needs to be stopped immediately. Stopped with protests by the people of the United States, who let him know, the way the people of South Korea let their government know, that we will not tolerate a dictator.
 
trumptman said:
I'm so old I can remember when Democrats were declaring that they had no obligation to assist the Federal Government and ICE with immigration matters.

Clearly this is far more than not assisting. This is active impediment, interference and insurrection.

They are literally taking sides against the U.S. Government and FOR foreign invaders.
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There are no foreign invaders.
 
It is the first time since 1965 that a president has activated a state’s National Guard force without a request from that state’s governor, according to Elizabeth Goitein, senior director of the Liberty and National Security Program at the Brennan Center for Justice, an independent law and policy organization. The last time was when President Lyndon B. Johnson sent troops to Alabama to protect civil rights demonstrators in 1965, she said.

Trump throwing another tantrum.
 
This is how a civil war starts..
 
HumblePi said:
Michael Flynn had this plan before the Jan 6 insurrection. A military takeover of government. Just like any 3rd world country. Wait until Americans are murdered by their own fellow countrymen, dressed up in military uniforms and shooting protesters with military weapons.
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Nothing will happen because this is what the American public wants.
 
Too bad he didn't see fit to do it Jan 6th. A clear cut example of how Trump uses his power. He's uses it against his perceived enemies and to protect his allies no matter their actions. That is not how Presidential power was meant to be used,
 
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