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Trump to deploy National Guard in response to Los Angeles immigration protests

I have posted a thousand times there are no or nowhere near enough generals and admirals active duty or retired for Trump to be firing dozens of generals and admirals to find others -- who do not exist -- to put in place because they would be "willing to play ball." There aren't any as I have posted dozens of times over this period of time.

Trump-Hegseth have removed the top legal officer of each major service, the Army, Navy, Air Force. He removed the black chairman of the JCS and the gal uniformed chief of the Navy. They removed a couple of two-star officers whose careers are closely bound to promoting DEI programs and features. That's it. There is no mass purge occurring.

The culture of the USA military remains strong. All Trump and Hegseth are doing is focusing on DEI, nothing much more than that. The armed forces have refused to do Trump's wet dream "mass deportation" because it was foreseen the active duty force would be the targets of street protests right now instead of ICE and other federal goons doing the work. The military will not do Trump's "mass roundup" of Trump's "enemy within" liberals to be placed in camps then deported.

The armed forces will not shoot unarmed civilians on its own soil no matter. Trump-Hegseth are doing very poorly at changing the culture of the USA armed forces starting with these three vital and signal matters on which the military stands firm in the absolute. -- no deportation, no roundup of liberals and no shooting unarmed civilisans. Trump's parade on the 250th anniversary of the Army to include on Trump's 79th birthday is a Mulligan to him from the Pentagon -- no one gets hurt although a lot of good money is going after bad.

Everything that is happening today in 2025 contradicts what you are saying. It's not helpful to live in denial; it's dangerous.
 
An insurrection is what happened on Jan 6, 2021.

What happened in 1992, after the LAPD goon squad assaulted Rodney King, was a riot. None of those people were attempting to overthrow the government. The same cannot be said for the MAGA scum in the capitol on 1/6/2021.

These are NOT similar in ANY way.
And back to the Whataboutism argument since you refuse to condemn the violence in LA.
 
They can be deployed in times of war, to assist in a war effort, and while they are federally supported, they are under the direct command of the governor of each state.

Federal Troops cannot do law enforcement. They have been used to keep the peace, but they cannot perform law enforcement functions.
Read the wiki I posted. Your ignorance is embarrassing you.
 
The entire thirty plus years we have lived here in the LA area (1981 to 1998/2012 to present) I've always seen and heard "La Migra" conducting immigration sweeps in LA County.
Sorry to burst your bubble Trumpers, but La Migra picking up illegals and deporting them has always been a reality here in California.

The only way you can believe otherwise is if you've lived under a rock.
Cheech and Chong used La Migra references in their comedy, entire genres of ethnic music revolves around it.
Even hit songs like "Plane Wreck at Los Gatos" (aka "Deportee") are based on the issue.

So no, this is not the first or only time immigration enforcement has gone on in our fair state, it has been a regular fact of life all along.
This is the first time since 1953's Operation Wetback that an administration has openly masturbated itself to the porn of stormtroopers doing stormtrooper stuff.

That's the difference.



The crops are all in and the peaches are rotting
The oranges piled up in their creosote dumps
You're flying 'em back to the Mexican border
To spend all their money to wade back again

Good bye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be "deportees"

Some of us are illegal and others not wanted
Our work contract's up and we have to move on
Six hundred miles to that Mexican border
They chase us like outlaws, like rustlers, like thieves

Good bye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be "deportees"

The sky plane caught fire over Los Gatos Canyon
A fireball of lightning shook all our hills
Who are all these friends who are scattered like dried leaves?
The radio said they were just "deportees"

Good bye to my Juan, goodbye Rosalita
Adios mis amigos Jesus y Maria
You won't have a name when you ride the big airplane
All they will call you will be "deportees"
 
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They can be deployed in times of war, to assist in a war effort, and while they are federally supported, they are under the direct command of the governor of each state.
When NG are activated by the president, they are under federal control.
 
They can be deployed in times of war, to assist in a war effort, and while they are federally supported, they are under the direct command of the governor of each state.

Federal Troops cannot do law enforcement. They have been used to keep the peace, but they cannot perform law enforcement functions.

They can if the President determines that federal law enforcement can't do its function. That's essentially what Stephen Miller and Pete Hegseth are tweeting out now in advance of this building showdown. They're trying to lay the academic and legal framework for justifying the use of federal troops. They're basically saying: Federal law enforcement can't do its job in enforcing federal immigration law, and local authorities aren't doing enough to control the situation. Therefore, we need to bring in the big guns.

I agree that the law is intended to prevent the national militia from being a federal police force, but that doesn't mean the president can't ever utilize federal troops in support of federal law enforcement in all case. It's been done before.

Would it be unconstitutional under the current circumstances? That's certainly possible, but given the makeup of this Supreme Court, I wouldn't count on a majority ruling against him.
 
NG cannot be used as law enforcement.

Technically, yes, correct, but they can be called in to restore order so that federal law enforcement can do its job*.

*I'm not saying that it's necessary in this case - I don't think it is. But that's going to be their argument, and if they can establish that there was unrest sufficient enough to scare off ICE, then they will at least have an argument to make in a courtroom. Is it valid? In my opinion, it's not, but that doesn't mean the 6 Federalist Society judges on the high court bench agree.

I'm not arguing that what Trump is doing is actually constitutional. I'm saying we have a very, very serious problem here because there aren't enough checks on presidential power.
 
Technically, yes, correct, but they can be called in to restore order so that federal law enforcement can do its job*.

*I'm not saying that it's necessary in this case - I don't think it is. But that's going to be their argument, and if they can establish that there was unrest sufficient enough to scare off ICE, then they will at least have an argument to make in a courtroom. Is it valid? In my opinion, it's not, but that doesn't mean the 6 Federalist Society judges on the high court bench agree.

I'm not arguing that what Trump is doing is actually constitutional. I'm saying we have a very, very serious problem here because there aren't enough checks on presidential power.
The NG can also be used to protect Federal property. I expect that the protestors in LA weren’t too far from firebombing the ICE offices.
 
It all depends on who is doing the breaching.

BINGO.

Protest stormtrooper tactics being used by the administration to commit unconstutional acts on persons in the USA, citizen or non-citizen, that's putting down an insurrection.
Fascists breaching The Capitol and trying to kill police officers, perfectly okay.

Irony is dead.
 
As I've pointed out in scrolling the Potus/C'nC has no authority either statutorily or in the Constitution for a federal martial law. The Potus has no martial law authority. Any governor can declare martial law, but the Potus has zero authority and no power to declare a federal martial law. The Founders were absolutely clear about placing this limitation on the powers of the office.
Trump will declare a national emergency and invoke executive powers, legal or not. He’s not limited by the law. After all he’s already done what makes you think he’ll stop because of some pesky laws.
 
Everything that is happening today in 2025 contradicts what you are saying. It's not helpful to live in denial; it's dangerous.
You and I looking at the same clock will disagree on what the time is. When I say it's 2 pm you say it's 2 a.m. So yes indeed my posts and yours are day and night. All the same it's unfortunate your posts are not getting any of it at this thread.

Your posts cite active duty and retired military personnel who say they will refuse an illegal order but only to try to disparage them as not being realistic or attuned to "institutional" factors which they know very well. They know their oath to the Constitution that your post omits entirely which is a major error on your part. And so on. The military oath is sacred don't you know. We commit our lives to it.
 
BINGO.

Protest stormtrooper tactics being used by the administration to commit unconstutional acts on persons in the USA, citizen or non-citizen, that's putting down an insurrection.
Fascists breaching The Capitol and trying to kill police officers, perfectly okay.

Irony is dead.
it was murder.
 
The NG can also be used to protect Federal property
Yeah, too bad Trump never thought the Capitol building with every single federally elected official including his VP inside was worthy of protection. Last I heard it was a Federal property
 
The NG can also be used to protect Federal property. I expect that the protestors in LA weren’t too far from firebombing the ICE offices.

If there's a need, meaning if federal and local authorities are, for whatever reason, unwilling or unable to deal with the situation. I agree with others who've stated that, as a general matter, the Guard cannot be just called into action. It has to be established -- well, let's say somewhat plausibly argued -- that there's a need for the NG to be there, and that need would be that it's beyond the capabilities of local and regular federal authorities to handle.
 
??? Can you translate that into English, please? Did spellcheck insert "stupidly" for another, relevant, word?
And it doesn't translate cleanly does it.

What I was trying to say: "stupidly on my part, I was attempting to suggest a reasonable action."
Of course reasonable action doesn't exist in the Trump world.

I hope that's clear.
 
It all depends on who is doing the breaching.
This post sums it up nicely, their hypocrisy and arrogance.

Fame goes for protesting. Only they’re real Americans and only they can do what ever.

They’re fascists, it’s how they operate.

 
This post sums it up nicely, their hypocrisy and arrogance.

Fame goes for protesting. Only they’re real Americans and only they can do what ever.

They’re fascists, it’s how they operate.


They have no core principles beyond maintenance of power.
 
Exactly! Just like how Antifa infiltrated the Jan 6 protests!





I swear......some people.
when I first read this I thought you were mocking conservatives. Then sadly, I read a couple of your posts. there are several problems with your belief that antifa played any role in the violent attempt to overthrow our gov't. First, I've posted a documented example of right wing agitators infiltrating the BLM protests. Again a known fascist tactic. Second, there is no evidence of your claim. So if you think it was antifa, then you should be angry that trump pardoned the insurrectionists who tried to violently to overthrow our gov't.
 
And it doesn't translate cleanly does it.

What I was trying to say: "stupidly on my part, I was attempting to suggest a reasonable action."
Of course reasonable action doesn't exist in the Trump world.

I hope that's clear.
Thanks. That clears up my confusion.
 
Trump is exhibiting these three characteristics of fascism:

5. Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation.

6. Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders.

7. Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective
collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”.

Link
 
The NG can also be used to protect Federal property. I expect that the protestors in LA weren’t too far from firebombing the ICE offices.
You can't argue that "you suspect people weren't far from doing something" as proof they committed crimes or planned to commit them. Unless you are a dictator.
 
If there's a need, meaning if federal and local authorities are, for whatever reason, unwilling or unable to deal with the situation.

Well, the LAPD has been useless. Mayor Bass is an idiot and Newsom has done next to nothing to stop the violence.
I agree with others who've stated that, as a general matter, the Guard cannot be just called into action. It has to be established -- well, let's say somewhat plausibly argued -- that there's a need for the NG to be there, and that need would be that it's beyond the capabilities of local and regular federal authorities to handle.
 
Read the wiki I posted. Your ignorance is embarrassing you.
Nope.

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. Congress passed the Act as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction and updated it in 1956, 1981 and 2021.

The Act originally applied only to the United States Army, but a subsequent amendment in 1956 expanded its scope to the United States Air Force. In 2021, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 further expanded the scope of the Act to cover the United States Navy, Marine Corps, and Space Force. The Act does not prevent the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard (under the Department of Homeland Security) is not covered by the Act either, primarily because although it is an armed service, it also has a maritime law enforcement mission.

The title of the Act comes from the legal concept of posse comitatus, the authority under which a county sheriff, or another law officer, can conscript any able-bodied person to assist in keeping the peace.

Just stop.
 
Trump is exhibiting these three characteristics of fascism:

5. Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation.

6. Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders.

7. Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective
collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”.

Link
I have wondered aloud when any MAGA poster will identify this as fascism. I think it unlikely:

 
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