Trump tells 9/11 first responders: 'I was down there also'

[Khayembii Communique]

When you accuse someone of telling a lie you post what they said, and then you show that what they said is not true. You missed a crucial second step. :roll:

Ah so Trump saying he helped clear the rubble isn't a lie unless I can prove he wasn't there. Typical and sad and very transparent that you just simply don't care that he's lying and in fact eat up his lies because you're so obsessed with him.

Why you can't admit that is beyond me. Trump knows he lied. You know he lied. I know he lied. I know you know he lied and don't care. So what's the point of claiming you believe it?

 

[apdst]

That's BS of course. The fund was established soon after 9/11, and this bill just extended it indefinitely. If you wanted to be fair, you'd also not that the indefinite extension was passed by a Democratic House. Why didn't the GOP House and Senate get that done while they had the control?

Anyway, of course you want to give all the credit to Dear Leader....

Did Bush, or Obama sign a bill that was extended indefinitely?

 

[jmotivator]

Ah so Trump saying he helped clear the rubble isn't a lie unless I can prove he wasn't there.

Holy ****. Did you really just say that? :shock:

 

[lurchadams]

“I was down there also," the president said to an audience of 60 first responders and their families who had gathered in Washington to witness the signing ceremony. "But I'm not considering myself a first responder," he added.



Trump tells 9/11 first responders: 'I was down there also' | The Independent



How did he see all the Muslims celebrating in New Jersey?

Fact-checking Trump's claim that thousands in New Jersey cheered when World Trade Center tumbled | PolitiFact

He's counting on his supporters' continued intellectual laziness.

 

[tres borrachos]

Interesting fact check from Trump Organization's former executive.

[video]https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/line-crossed-trump-s-own-ex-staffer-says-he-s-exploiting-9-11-64922181689[/video]

This aside, I'd still like to know how he was in Jersey City and at Ground Zero at the same time.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Holy ****. Did you really just say that? :shock:

Trump knows he lied. You know he lied. I know he lied. I know you know he lied and don't care. So what's the point of claiming you believe it?

 

[jmotivator]

Trump knows he lied. You know he lied. I know he lied. I know you know he lied and don't care. So what's the point of claiming you believe it?

You keep claiming that Trump lied but can't provide proof. Your greatest contribution to the thread is making yourself look foolish.

Yes, when you accuse someone of lying you should know what you are talking and present the proof that allowed you to conclude the statement was a lie. You can't.

Good day, sir.

 

[JasperL]

Nobody has established how much time Trump actually spent at ground zero. The have one guy who says he doesn't remember Trump around... and? Trump wasn't president then, there were thousands of people in and around ground zero. I'm sure there are people who spent weeks under the rubble that the guy wouldn't be able to recall.

You call something a lie that you can't actually establish as a lie. I call it outrage because I can only assume irrational statements are born of either emotion or calculated misstatements and I give you some credit that your misstatements aren't on purpose.

Goodness, the idea that Trump did anything more than parade around in his suit is absurd. First of all, he'd be useless, and no one would expect an untrained executive, or even allow one, to join in the recovery efforts which required digging around in the rubble, which was dangerous work even for professionals who do that as their job. So we know he did nothing. If you want to pretend that no one can prove the negative, that he didn't join in the recovery efforts, fine, but no one not a Trump cultist believes he did a thing other than visit the site.

And if he wants to claim he sent a crew of hundreds down there, fine, prove it. He's lied so often about so many things that it's in fact insane to take him at his word on this.

What's so incredible about Trump is everything just has to be about HIM. He's incapable of even letting sick and dying first responders have their moment without stomping on it with lies about his own role at the site. His narcissism knows no bounds.

 

[tres borrachos]

:roll: "To be fair" you shouldn't credit the Democrats with the extension to 2090. That extension was added to the bill by the Republican Senate and signed by the Republican president.

While there had been funds established in the past they were chronically under funded and had short duration. Bush's program was set to run from 2002 - 2004, Obama's bill funded 2012-2015.

Obama's bill?

It wasn't Obama's bill. It was sponsored by 2 Democrats, one each in the House and the Senate. The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress in 2015. Why didn't they make it permanent? And the Republicans kept objecting to the bills.

Bill for 9/11 first responders finally passes Congress | MSNBC

 

[tres borrachos]

You keep claiming that Trump lied but can't provide proof. Your greatest contribution to the thread is making yourself look foolish.

Yes, when you accuse someone of lying you should know what you are talking and present the proof that allowed you to conclude the statement was a lie. You can't.

Good day, sir.

Can we have some pictures of Trump clearing rubble at Ground Zero? If he was there, that should be easy to find. The man never met a camera he didn't like since 1974.

 

[party free]

When you accuse someone of telling a lie you post what they said, and then you show that what they said is not true. You missed a crucial second step. :roll:

So isn't the onus on Trump to prove he was there? Until we have proof he was there, what reason is there to assume that it's true just because he said it?

 

[jmotivator]

Goodness... blah blah blah

Translation: "I have no real proof of my accusation, so I am substituting foot stomping and frowns."

Establish what you think a standard should be for "a lot of time", establish what you believe the standard is be for "helped a little bit" and then present your evidence that Trump failed to meet those standards. I'll be waiting here for your report when you are done.

Now off you go.

 

[jmotivator]

So isn't the onus on Trump to prove he was there? Until we have proof he was there, what reason is there to assume that it's true just because he said it?

No, it is on the accuser to prove their accusation is backed by evidence. If you call him a liar when you have no evidence then we can just disregard your wholly ignorant claim.

 

[SkyFox76]

Can we have some pictures of Trump clearing rubble at Ground Zero? If he was there, that should be easy to find. The man never met a camera he didn't like since 1974.

I was thinking much the same. Had he truly been there helping out he would have made sure cameras caught his heroic efforts.

 

[jmotivator]

Interesting fact check from Trump Organization's former executive.

[video]https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/line-crossed-trump-s-own-ex-staffer-says-he-s-exploiting-9-11-64922181689[/video]

This aside, I'd still like to know how he was in Jersey City and at Ground Zero at the same time.

Well, for starters, Jersey City and Ground Zero are 4 miles apart....

Also, how is signing a First Reponders bill exploiting 9/11? :roll:

Also, what a dumb interview... we can now add "he dared say he wasn't a first responder!!" to the list of fainting couch outrages.

Truth is, Trump signed a bill into law that helped 9/11 first responded for the rest of their lives and the anti-Trumpers can't just applaud the bipartisan effort, they have to throw ****.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

You keep claiming that Trump lied but can't provide proof. Your greatest contribution to the thread is making yourself look foolish.

Yes, when you accuse someone of lying you should know what you are talking and present the proof that allowed you to conclude the statement was a lie. You can't.

Good day, sir.

This is the entire point. You need proof that Trump didn't send hundreds of people to ground zero. You need proof that Trump didn't clear rubble.

So basically you're saying that you believe he did those things because he said so and you haven't seen anything otherwise that proves it. You lap up everything he says as truth by default.

But you know it's lies. I know it's lies. He knows it's lies. And we all know that you know it's BS. So what's the point in acting like you truly believe it?

 

[jmotivator]

Obama's bill?

It wasn't Obama's bill. It was sponsored by 2 Democrats, one each in the House and the Senate. The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress in 2015. Why didn't they make it permanent? And the Republicans kept objecting to the bills.

Bill for 9/11 first responders finally passes Congress | MSNBC

:roll: You folks really can't help yourselves at this point, can you? What is the point of asking the question when it was the Republicans that made the bill permanent now? The Democrat bill that went to the Senate this time was also not permanent.

Who made it permanent? The Republican Senate. Who signed it into law? The Republican President.

 

[jmotivator]

Can we have some pictures of Trump clearing rubble at Ground Zero? If he was there, that should be easy to find. The man never met a camera he didn't like since 1974.

So you don't know if your accusation is true?

Gee... that sounds a lot like you are lying.

 

[jmotivator]

This is the entire point. You need proof that Trump didn't send hundreds of people to ground zero. You need proof that Trump didn't clear rubble.

So basically you're saying that you believe he did those things because he said so and you haven't seen anything otherwise that proves it. You lap up everything he says as truth by default.

But you know it's lies. I know it's lies. He knows it's lies. And we all know that you know it's BS. So what's the point in acting like you truly believe it?

No, I don't need proof. I can provide proof that he was there, he gave interviews on the seen. That is all I need to provide you.

You say it is a lie but can only prove that you don't know what you are talking about. It is not the job of the accused to prove anything.

If you don't have the proof then you had no cause to make the accusation in the first place.

 

[American]

He was not there. The man lies with no shame. And how about not making it about him anyway?

He was, and brought his workers with him.

 

[SkyFox76]

No, it is on the accuser to prove their accusation is backed by evidence. If you call him a liar when you have no evidence then we can just disregard your wholly ignorant claim.

Ever heard that phrase--pictures or it didn't happen? Certainly out of the hundred's of photos and videos that were documented over the hours, days and weeks of this horrific event I'd think Donald Trump would be able to provide us something showing his "helping out a little bit". That's how it works.

 

[JasperL]

:roll: "To be fair" you shouldn't credit the Democrats with the extension to 2090. That extension was added to the bill by the Republican Senate and signed by the Republican president.

That appears to be a lie.

H. Rept. 116-152 - NEVER FORGET THE HEROES: PERMANENT AUTHORIZATION OF THE SEPTEMBER 11TH VICTIM COMPENSATION FUND ACT | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

H.R. 1327, the ``Never Forget the Heroes: Permanent
Authorization of the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
Act,'' would extend the authorization for the September 11th
Victim Compensation Fund (``VCF'') until 2090.

While there had been funds established in the past they were chronically under funded and had short duration. Bush's program was set to run from 2002 - 2004, Obama's bill funded 2012-2015.

Interesting. Wasn't aware that POTUS wrote and passed funding bills, but you learn something new every day I guess.

And the shortfalls were because of GOP opposition. The bill that passed in 2011, for example, originally authorized $6.2 billion, but the GOP threatened to kill it so they settled on $4.2 billion.

See, e.g., 9/11 responders bill defeated by Senate GOP filibuster - CNN.com

Washington (CNN) -- Senate Democrats failed Thursday to win a procedural vote to open debate on a bill that would provide medical benefits and compensation for emergency workers who were first on the scene of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The motion for cloture, or to begin debate, needed 60 votes to pass due to a Republican filibuster, but fell short at 57-42 in favor.

While supporters said they would try to bring the bill up again, either on its own or as part of other legislation to be considered, the vote Thursday jeopardized the measure's chances for approval in the final weeks of the current congressional session.

The House previously passed the bill on a mostly partisan 268-160 vote.

Here's the full summary of the history, and you don't know what you're talking about. For example, you omitted the extension passed in December 2015. Why did you omit that $4 billion+ in funding signed by Obama, plus what he signed in 2011 over the GOP objections?

September 11th Victim Compensation Fund Special Master Rupa Bhattacharyya Testifies Before The U.S. House of Representatives Committee on The Judiciary Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Subcommittee | OPA | Department of Justice

BACKGROUND

By way of brief background, the VCF was originally created in 2001, immediately following the attacks, by Public Law No. 107-42 (Sept. 22, 2001), as amended by Public Law No. 107-71 (Nov. 19, 2001), as an alternative to tort litigation, and was designed to provide compensation for any individual (or a personal representative of a deceased individual) who suffered physical harm or was killed as a result of the terrorist-related aircraft crashes of September 11, 2001, or the clean-up and debris removal efforts that took place in the immediate aftermath of those crashes. The original VCF (known as “VCF I”) operated from 2001 to 2004 under the direction of Special Master Kenneth Feinberg, and distributed over $7 billion. VCF I concluded operations in June 2004, after compensating the families of over 2,880 people who died on 9/11 and 2,680 individuals who were injured.

In 2011, Congress passed and the President signed the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010 (“Zadroga Act”), Public Law No. 111-347 (Jan. 2, 2011), which reactivated the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund (known as “VCF II”), expanded its pool of eligible claimants, and appropriated $2.775 billion to pay claims. VCF II opened in October 2011 and was originally authorized to accept claims for a period of five years, ending in October 2016. Prior to reaching the October 2016 claim filing deadline, however, in December 2015, Congress passed and the President signed the James Zadroga 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund Reauthorization Act, Public Law No. 114-113 (Dec. 18, 2015). The new Act extended the VCF for an additional five years, allowing individuals to submit claims until Dec. 18, 2020, and appropriated an additional $4.6 billion to pay claims, bringing the total appropriated amount for VCF II to $7.375 billion.

So why are you making crap up to support Trump? It's kind of hilarious how bad your efforts are, but why do it? Did you not think anyone would notice that you're lying?

 

[jmotivator]

Ever heard that phrase--pictures or it didn't happen? Certainly out of the hundred's of photos and videos that were documented over the hours, days and weeks of this horrific event I'd think Donald Trump would be able to provide us something showing his "helping out a little bit". That's how it works.

So you don't have any evidence for your accusation? Thanks for playing.

 

[JasperL]

Translation: "I have no real proof of my accusation, so I am substituting foot stomping and frowns."

Establish what you think a standard should be for "a lot of time", establish what you believe the standard is be for "helped a little bit" and then present your evidence that Trump failed to meet those standards. I'll be waiting here for your report when you are done.

Now off you go.

Nah, you're not worth the effort. Except to prove how stupid your standard is.

"I, JasperL, who live in Knoxville, drove to NY personally, suited up in protective gear and helped rescue 6 different people who would have otherwise died without my help!!!" Prove me wrong! YOU CANNOT!!! No matter how many pictures of efforts at that time, and that you cannot find me in any one of them, does not and cannot prove I wasn't there and personally digging in the rubble alongside those brave 9/11 first responders. Therefore if you call me a liar, you are the liar. So there!

 

[JasperL]

Did Bush, or Obama sign a bill that was extended indefinitely?

Obama didn't, and the bill he did sign in 2011 was cut to $4.2 billion from $6.2 billion because the GOP assholes filibustered it and demanded a smaller price tag for their support. If you want to blame Obama for the GOP filibuster, that's fine, but it's BS of course.