The healthcare bill from Obama was considered yuge at 2,000 pages long, and that was to cover every single American with health insurance...not a small job.
Yet...a bill to answer the ask of 6 billion dollars, which is chump change by comparison, is 5,000 pages long....over twice the size?
Can someone explain this?
I don't see why you expect either party in congress to go along with his wall. Most Americans are against it and both parties know it would take many years to complete and tens of billions of dollars. Trump would be long gone before it came even close to being finished.
So what has master negotiator Trump offered the Dems or the GOP? It'd have to be pretty good to go against the will of the people, but as far as I'm aware it's been NOTHING, zero, zilch, nada. Trump obviously doesn't want the wall badly enough if he wasn't willing to sacrifice anything for it. Now there's less funding for the wall than was offered in December for his temper tantrum.
You've been duped by a conman that obviously doesn't really want this wall built.
Why would Trump REALLY want one.. He's hired illegals for decades.. Add in the GOP's businesses donors don't want a wall either because they too LOVE immigrants because they work cheap..
There's not going to be a wall, it's just another GOP and Trump con job on the GOP base. And damn, the Republican base are an easy bunch to con. They'll keep conning their base with this issue until the next Dem POTUS, then the GOP will start worrying about the debt and deficit again.
Add in the GOP's businesses donors don't want a wall either because they too LOVE immigrants because they work cheap.
~after snipping the irrelevant nonsense, this is the only useful part of your post~
So...the language of this funding bill has been release. The actual funding legislation is over 5,000 pages, but here is a 29 page summary: Summary of Conference Appropriations Report | United States Government | U.S. Immigration And Customs Enforcement
Highlights:
Provides $1.375 billion, or $4.325 billion less than the $5.7 billion the Trump administration requested, for a very limited 55 miles of physical barrier that can only be placed along the southern border in *only* the Rio Grande Valley of Texas.
Contains language allowing only fencing designs in use as of 2017.
No funding for new border patrol agents above the current on board levels.
Does not fund the Administration's request for joint detention facilities.
No funding for additional enforcement and removal field personnel.
Summary of Negotiated Budget Appropriations W/ Limits on Border Security and No Funding for Border Agents or ICE Agents (full pdf)…. | The Last Refuge
Other highlights:
$415 million for humanitarian aide
$77 million for opioid equipment
1,200 new Customs and Border Patrol Agents (retain current levels)
The bill expands Catch and Release by reducing the number of border beds from 49,060 to 40,520.
No funding for additional enforcement and removal field personnel. - that means no more ICE agents to deport people already in the country.
Expands the Alternatives to Detention program from 82,000 to 100,000 - so instead of housing family units at the border- they get moved into the interior where they almost always stay in the country permanently.
Provides $40 million for additional ICE staffing dedicated to overall ATD (Alternatives to Detention) case management, particularly for asylum seekers - so no new ICE agents, but money to ICE to help illegal aliens settle in a non-detention center in the country.
The bill gives over $1 billion for the Smithsonian.
$3.4 billion in refugee assistance - $74 million more than last year.
$4.4 billion in international disaster assistance - $100 million more than last year.
Does not eliminate any foundations that Trump wanted to get rid of including: The Asia Foundation, the U.S. African Development Foundation, the Inter-American Foundation, and the U.S. Trade and Development Agency.
Israel, Ukraine, and Jordan receive $5.3 billion for border security fencing.
Thread by @RyanGirdusky: "Border wall bill is out, here are some highlights: here are the areas Trump cannot build any wall The bill gives $1.375 billion for construc […]"
Seriously? Congress will provide more money to Israel, Ukraine and Jordan for border barriers than they will to their own country???
Who the hell are these guys working for?
btw, that bollard fence design that's allowed? Pre-2017? That's the stuff that NBC says can be cut through with common household tools.
So tell me...after reading this ****...can ANYONE say that Congressional Dems and Reps care about securing our border?
This is absolutely correct, but don't fool yourself into thinking this is limited to the GOP. Those "businesses donors" have the Dems in their pocket, as well.
The Dems aren't lying to and conning their base.
If the GOP base really wants to address the illegal problem then it is up to YOU guys to hold the GOP's and Trump's feet to the fire. My God Trump is a Manhattan elitist who craps in gold plated toilets, AND has hired illegals for decades. He's gone from making the Mexicans pay for a wall, to we'll build a wall, to now 'finish the wall'.
But his base believes everything he says and allows Trump and the rest to lie to them and continually move the goal posts. They are just playing the GOP base, and the base allows itself to be duped. Never going to get a wall, or even the illegal problem addressed until the GOP base says to the GOP and TRUMP, enough lies.. But they won't. It's like you Trumpsters like to be conned.
E-Verify would fix this problem.. But notice how silent Trump and Congress is on that.. Why?
Why would Trump REALLY want one.. He's hired illegals for decades.. Add in the GOP's businesses donors don't want a wall either because they too LOVE immigrants because they work cheap..
There's not going to be a wall, it's just another GOP and Trump con job on the GOP base. And damn, the Republican base are an easy bunch to con. They'll keep conning their base with this issue until the next Dem POTUS, then the GOP will start worrying about the debt and deficit again.
The issue I raised in my OP wasn't the "illegal problem". It was the "border security" problem.
Since you contend the Dems aren't lying to their base, can you quote any Dems who say they care about border security? We can then compare their quoted contentions with their votes and see exactly what they are lying...or not...about. (at this point, it would be nice if you can find Dems who are on this negotiating committee)
But given what's in this proposed legislation, it's clear that neither the Dems or the GOP care very much about border security.
I don't see why you expect either party in congress to go along with his wall. Most Americans are against it and both parties know it would take many years to complete and tens of billions of dollars. Trump would be long gone before it came even close to being finished.
So what has master negotiator Trump offered the Dems or the GOP? It'd have to be pretty good to go against the will of the people, but as far as I'm aware it's been NOTHING, zero, zilch, nada. Trump obviously doesn't want the wall badly enough if he wasn't willing to sacrifice anything for it. Now there's less funding for the wall than was offered in December before his temper tantrum.
You've been duped by a conman that obviously doesn't really want this wall built.
Trump will sign this into law since another "shutdown" would yield nothing better (but perhaps something worse). The Great Wall Of Trump (at least enough for a photo op) will "continue to" be built, we will continue to have catch and release, we will continue to lack an E-Verify mandate and we will continue to have 12M to 20M illegal immigrants inside the country with more arriving daily. MAGA indeed.
We the sheeple will also continue to re-elect "our" congress critters at a rate of over 90% in 2020 because they knew that keeping illegal immigration as "an issue" was the right (politically correct?) thing to do.
So...the language of this funding bill has been release. T
Highlights:
Other highlights:
$415 million for humanitarian aide...
Expands the Alternatives to Detention program from 82,000 to 100,000 - so instead of housing family units at the border- they get moved into the interior where they almost always stay in the country permanently.
Provides $40 million for additional ICE staffing dedicated to overall ATD (Alternatives to Detention) case management, particularly for asylum seekers - so no new ICE agents, but money to ICE to help illegal aliens settle in a non-detention center in the country.
$3.4 billion in refugee assistance - $74 million more than last year.
$4.4 billion in international disaster assistance - $100 million more than last year.
Does not eliminate any foundations that Trump wanted to get rid of including: The Asia Foundation, the U.S. African Development Foundation, the Inter-American Foundation, and the U.S. Trade and Development Agency.
Israel, Ukraine, and Jordan receive $5.3 billion for border security fencing.
Who the hell are these guys working for?
Haha. So true, we hate congress so much we'll keep electing the losers we can't stand. That is why we get the government we deserve, well the government the right deserves. It's a never ending wonder to me why so many of the folks on the right say immigration is super important but they never do anything and yet their base will vote the same folks who do nothing back into congress over and over. If the right is dissatisfied with their choices because they aren't doing as the base wishes, vote them out, don't blame the dems for your own party's failures.
The walls almost done. He probably doesnt need any money.So...the language of this funding bill has been release. The actual funding legislation is over 5,000 pages, but here is a 29 page summary: Summary of Conference Appropriations Report | United States Government | U.S. Immigration And Customs Enforcement
Highlights:
Provides $1.375 billion, or $4.325 billion less than the $5.7 billion the Trump administration requested, for a very limited 55 miles of physical barrier that can only be placed along the southern border in *only* the Rio Grande Valley of Texas.
Contains language allowing only fencing designs in use as of 2017.
No funding for new border patrol agents above the current on board levels.
Does not fund the Administration's request for joint detention facilities.
No funding for additional enforcement and removal field personnel.
Summary of Negotiated Budget Appropriations W/ Limits on Border Security and No Funding for Border Agents or ICE Agents (full pdf)…. | The Last Refuge
Other highlights:
$415 million for humanitarian aide
$77 million for opioid equipment
1,200 new Customs and Border Patrol Agents (retain current levels)
The bill expands Catch and Release by reducing the number of border beds from 49,060 to 40,520.
No funding for additional enforcement and removal field personnel. - that means no more ICE agents to deport people already in the country.
Expands the Alternatives to Detention program from 82,000 to 100,000 - so instead of housing family units at the border- they get moved into the interior where they almost always stay in the country permanently.
Provides $40 million for additional ICE staffing dedicated to overall ATD (Alternatives to Detention) case management, particularly for asylum seekers - so no new ICE agents, but money to ICE to help illegal aliens settle in a non-detention center in the country.
The bill gives over $1 billion for the Smithsonian.
$3.4 billion in refugee assistance - $74 million more than last year.
$4.4 billion in international disaster assistance - $100 million more than last year.
Does not eliminate any foundations that Trump wanted to get rid of including: The Asia Foundation, the U.S. African Development Foundation, the Inter-American Foundation, and the U.S. Trade and Development Agency.
Israel, Ukraine, and Jordan receive $5.3 billion for border security fencing.
Thread by @RyanGirdusky: "Border wall bill is out, here are some highlights: here are the areas Trump cannot build any wall The bill gives $1.375 billion for construc […]"
Seriously? Congress will provide more money to Israel, Ukraine and Jordan for border barriers than they will to their own country???
Who the hell are these guys working for?
btw, that bollard fence design that's allowed? Pre-2017? That's the stuff that NBC says can be cut through with common household tools.
So tell me...after reading this ****...can ANYONE say that Congressional Dems and Reps care about securing our border?
Which party is pushing for reform of politics? Republicans had two years Mycroft, and they LIFTED regulations and taxes on corporations/wealthy.This is absolutely correct, but don't fool yourself into thinking this is limited to the GOP. Those "businesses donors" have the Dems in their pocket, as well.
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