Trump Shifts Deportation Focus, Pausing Raids on Farms, Hotels and Eateries

[Gimmesometruth]

No, I'm "bemused" by your erroneous thoughts of your own cleverness. What you posted had no meaning or value.

You just expressed your confusion again without, again, being able to specify what confused you. This can go on forever.

I'll express my point again, I'm so sorry that lady was late for work.....because.....we were protesting against you fascists on No Kings day.

Do you see how incredibly petty your objection to the march is? We all see how it is simply another attempt to distract from the huge grassroots movement Don has created. This is not Soros or any other actor you fascists want to conspiracy about. So stop the acting all confused and stick to some point, because you are losing.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

....and so long as their social media posts do not conflict with current admin views.....and please unlock your phone and laptop thank you.

Please post a credible example of that.

 

[Jetboogieman]

After reading this thread, it seems the extreme anti-Trumps are disappointed ICE is being directed to go in a new direction, much easier on farm workers, hotel and restaurant workers.

It makes fiscal sense that they would go easier if businesses are suffering. Trump has already acknowledged that these policies were affecting farmers and hospitality businesses by removing "very good, long-time workers" who are difficult to replace. It's economically understandable why Trump has changed course. It's a matter of preventing economic disruptions. Makes more sense to go after criminal activities like human trafficking and drug smuggling.

So then you're not a "NATION OF LAWS!!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!!!! THEY BROKE THE LAW!!!! GET THEM OUT!!!! RAR!!!!!" when it's inconvenient.

I thought removing all these people would make those jobs more lucrative and more numerous for Americans?

That slave labor was a bad thing?

Whats going on guys?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

I'll express my point again, I'm so sorry that lady was late for work.....because.....we were protesting against you fascists on No Kings day.

The idiot shown in that video single-handedly nullified your "protest." He showed himself to be stupid, more interested in the video camera than the "cause." He ridiculed a black woman for wanting to get to work to support her children, putting the lie to all your garbage about who you support. If you identify that woman as a "fascist," you display your own racism.

Do you see how incredibly petty your objection to the march is?

There is no "march." It's a mob of leftists who fantasize that their being used by greedy politicians is going to make the police stop arresting rioters, or stop ICE from deporting criminal illegal aliens or have any other effect that they want. Like the BLM riots, it'll simply sink the left further in their own excrement. If you want to stand out in the sun waving a sign that someone you don't know has paid for, be my guest. But if I see "demonstrators" looting a store, throwing chunks of concrete at anyone or damaging someone else's property, I hope they rot.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Please post a credible example of that.

There are many reports of not only tourists, but scholars having their phones/laptops searched and being flagged before they arrived. It happens everyday, BP has full rights to search, Nature magazine has been reporting on the detentions at the scientific level for months. Even students already here are being deported for their social media comments, you have been in those debates.

 

[Trump]

NBC reporting

 

[Rexedgar]

NBC reporting

Where is the NBC link?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The idiot shown in that video single-handedly nullified your "protest." He showed himself to be stupid, more interested in the video camera than the "cause." He ridiculed a black woman for wanting to get to work to support her children, putting the lie to all your garbage about who you support. If you identify that woman as a "fascist," you display your own racism.

As if any single individual represents "my" protest. You just keep coming back with weaker and dumber counter-arguments with each post.

There is no "march." It's a mob of leftists who fantasize that their being used by greedy politicians is going to make the police stop arresting rioters, or stop ICE from deporting criminal illegal aliens or have any other effect that they want. Like the BLM riots, it'll simply sink the left further in their own excrement. If you want to stand out in the sun waving a sign that someone you don't know has paid for, be my guest. But if I see "demonstrators" looting a store, throwing chunks of concrete at anyone or damaging someone else's property, I hope they rot.

And you show once again your total ignorance of what No Kings represented or how protest works.....because you are an authoritarian. No one expected BLM to end police violence against minorities, just as those at the No Kings marches expected fascism to end in the US yesterday, Sunday, after the march. What it showed is that a larger segment of the US population is against Don's show of military force than for it in DC. The population against his actions are larger than even his assembled, Constitutionally violating use of the military for law enforcement in LA.

You just keep looking away from the reality.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

So then you're not a "NATION OF LAWS!!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!!!! THEY BROKE THE LAW!!!! GET THEM OUT!!!! RAR!!!!!" when it's inconvenient.

I thought removing all these people would make those jobs more lucrative and more numerous for Americans?

That slave labor was a bad thing?

Whats going on guys?

I just want to know......who is picking the grapes in her vineyard?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

As if any single individual represents "my" protest.

He represents the mindlessness. Whether you like it, you're stuck with him.

what No Kings represented

You protest against the thing that, if it existed, would have prevented your demonstration. IOW, your demonstration proves that it was bogus.

What it showed is that a larger segment of the US population is against Don's show of military force than for it in DC.

Only in the fevered mind of leftists. How many people watched the parade on television across the nation, if raw numbers mean anything? The sickness of your POV is shown in your comment. In this country there is great admiration and respect for the military that has kept us free for 250 years. It's fitting to celebrate such a milestone. (To paraphrase an old slogan, The next time the US is attacked, call a demonstrator.)

The population against his actions are larger than even his assembled, Constitutionally violating use of the military for law enforcement in LA.

The use of the military to enforce the law when the Governor and the Mayor can't or won't do it appears to be Constitutional, but it will be decided by the courts. The use of the military to defend Federal facilities is Constitutional. If you doubt that, ask the Marines standing at the door of the White House.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

There are many reports of not only tourists, but scholars having their phones/laptops searched and being flagged before they arrived

Cite, please.

It happens everyday,

Cite, please.

Even students already here are being deported for their social media comments,

You confuse a "social media comment" with incitements to, or actual, anti-semitism.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

He represents the mindlessness. Whether you like it, you're stuck with him.

You just have no idea how many rhetorical fallacies you are relying on, it so stupid.

You protest against the thing that, if it existed, would have prevented your demonstration. IOW, your demonstration proves that it was bogus.

This is a constant refrain from you, if a thing does not exist in its full blown version right NOW, then there is no possibility that that thing can exist in the future.....therefore it is wrong to complain.

It is always a stupid argument, but you make it all the time.

Only in the fevered mind of leftists. How many people watched the parade on television across the nation, if raw numbers mean anything?

Um, you just undercut your argument by questioning the use of counting crowd size.

The sickness of your POV is shown in your comment. In this country there is great admiration and respect for the military that has kept us free for 250 years. It's fitting to celebrate such a milestone. (To paraphrase an old slogan, The next time the US is attacked, call a demonstrator.)

Your flag is wrapped so tight....

The use of the military to enforce the law when the Governor and the Mayor can't or won't do it appears to be Constitutional,

No, it is not, and even the provision Don used in his order, that was tossed out, specifies that the Guv requests the use of federal troops.

but it will be decided by the courts.

It was tossed out, Don violated the Constitution ....again, violating his oath, again.

The use of the military to defend Federal facilities is Constitutional.

Don is causing the unrest though his violations of the Constitution.

f you doubt that, ask the Marines standing at the door of the White House.

The Marines from Pendleton are not arbiters of the Constitution, our local authoritarian.

 

[Plasmaball]

Yeah, we'll "only" get $170 billion from tourists this year. BFD

Thats alot of small business money.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

This is a constant refrain from you, if a thing does not exist in its full blown version right NOW, then there is no possibility that that thing can exist in the future.....therefore it is wrong to complain.

It is always a stupid argument, but you make it all the time.

You make a stupid argument. First, you keep yelling that the shy is falling. Second, you assume that all of the protections against the thing you fear, will fail. How many Generals or Admirals will follow illegal orders? How many of the millions of troops will follow illegal orders? You pretend that this is the third world country you want it to be, where the armed people number in the low thousands and are all dependent on a leader who guarantees their livelihood.

Um, you just undercut your argument by questioning the use of counting crowd size.

It was you who boasted about some number of people who did something or other.

Your flag is wrapped so tight....

Mine is quite comfortable, and I'm proud to wear it. I wonder if yours if the flag of this country.

No, it is not, and even the provision Don used in his order, that was tossed out

One Judge ruled against Trump. The 9th Circuit stayed his decision, and will hear the case tomorrow. I imagine the issue will be on its way to the USSC after Newsom loses tomorrow.

It was tossed out

See above.

Don is causing the unrest though his violations of the Constitution.

Only among left-wing nuts.

The Marines from Pendleton are not arbiters of the Constitution, our local authoritarian.

Since Pendleton is 3,000 miles from the White House front door, I doubt if that's where the Marines who guard that door come from.

You don't seem to know that there are two circumstances at work. First is the use of the National Guard to enforce the law. Second is the use of the Marines to protect Federal facilities. Try to keep up.

Lastly, if you want to call me an authoritarian because I believe that our laws should be enforced, I'm fine with that. Now, what shall I call you, who doesn't believe our laws should be enforced?

 

[Variant]

So then you're not a "NATION OF LAWS!!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!!!! THEY BROKE THE LAW!!!! GET THEM OUT!!!! RAR!!!!!" when it's inconvenient.

I thought removing all these people would make those jobs more lucrative and more numerous for Americans?

That slave labor was a bad thing?

Whats going on guys?

Apparently Trump only wants to create new job opportunities in blue state cities.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

The idiot shown in that video single-handedly nullified your "protest." He showed himself to be stupid, more interested in the video camera than the "cause."

What is this gibberish supposed to mean?

What do you think we're protesting about?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

What is this gibberish supposed to mean?

It means that you shoudn't take one line of a post out of context.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

It means that you shoudn't take one line of a post out of context.

Since I don't know what you're trying to say, the "context" doesn't matter.

How did that man "nulify" the protest?

Why do you feel he was more interested in the video camera than his "cause?" What do you think his "cause" was?

 

[What if...?]

Someone who can show a current, non-expired tourist visa don't need to fear that, as I think they'll come to realize.

It’s people that were legally allowed to be here that got caught up in an excess of haste to meet the quota that are the reason tourism is down.

So there’s that.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

You make a stupid argument. First, you keep yelling that the shy is falling. Second, you assume that all of the protections against the thing you fear, will fail. How many Generals or Admirals will follow illegal orders? How many of the millions of troops will follow illegal orders? You pretend that this is the third world country you want it to be, where the armed people number in the low thousands and are all dependent on a leader who guarantees their livelihood.

It was you who boasted about some number of people who did something or other.

Mine is quite comfortable, and I'm proud to wear it. I wonder if yours if the flag of this country.

One Judge ruled against Trump. The 9th Circuit stayed his decision, and will hear the case tomorrow. I imagine the issue will be on its way to the USSC after Newsom loses tomorrow.

See above.

Only among left-wing nuts.

Since Pendleton is 3,000 miles from the White House front door, I doubt if that's where the Marines who guard that door come from.

You don't seem to know that there are two circumstances at work. First is the use of the National Guard to enforce the law. Second is the use of the Marines to protect Federal facilities. Try to keep up.

Lastly, if you want to call me an authoritarian because I believe that our laws should be enforced, I'm fine with that. Now, what shall I call you, who doesn't believe our laws should be enforced?

This is how far gone you have gotten, you claim I am making a big thing out of nothing....by arguing......the US military that is being deployed for DOMESTIC law enforcement activities is not a worry....because......the generals (many Donny just purged and replaced with his own guys) are not going to follow "illegal orders"!

How long will it take for you to realize that this goes beyond a Constitutional crisis when we are relying upon the good will of the military?

A: Never, because you are an authoritarian and all of this is normal.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

How did that man "nulify" the protest?

Because millions of people saw him as the face of the protest, more concerned with some condition that he apparently knew nothing about than he was with keeping a woman from getting to work to support her kids. He was willing to see her lose her job in the name of your "protest" and, in fact, mocked her need to work.

Why do you feel he was more interested in the video camera than his "cause?"

Watch the video.

What do you think his "cause" was?

His "cause" was yours, or the sponsors of the demonstration. I suspect that he was like many on the left who took part in it, who had no real understanding of what they were doing.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

who had no real understanding of what they were doing.

yes, thats it, these protests caused unemployment.

think of the children.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

How long will it take for you to realize that this goes beyond a Constitutional crisis when we are relying upon the good will of the military?

How long will it take for you to be able to look at our country, our Constitution, our people and see that the dictatorship that you imagine (and I suspect, only say it because your Party leaders said it) can't happen? If you took some time and some though objectively about what it would take to carry out the kind of coup that would be necessary to install a dictatorship, I believe that even you would conclude that it can't be done. You won't of course. Just wouldn't do to doubt your Party's propaganda, would it?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

yes, thats it, these protests caused unemployment.

think of the children.

You're not even funny.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

How long will it take for you to be able to look at our country, our Constitution, our people and see that the dictatorship that you imagine (and I suspect, only say it because your Party leaders said it) can't happen?

Can't happen? You just described our current situation depending on whether or not US military leaders ignore illegal orders. You absolutely are describing a dictatorship, where the leader has gone beyond the Constitution, the Congress and the Courts, you are tossing up the last barrier and saying....again as you ALWAYS do......"SEE...its not an absolute dictatorship yet because the the generals have not all gone along with illegal orders....I'm still right....neener neener!"

If you took some time and some though objectively about what it would take to carry out the kind of coup that would be necessary to install a dictatorship, I believe that even you would conclude that it can't be done. You won't of course. Just wouldn't do to doubt your Party's propaganda, would it?

Again, YOU accept that the only barrier....right now....is the willingness of the generals....who Don has already purged and replaced.

You still won't even acknowledge that your scenario is a dictatorship....because....you are an authoritarian and see no issues with WHAT YOU DESCRIBE.