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Trump Shifts Deportation Focus, Pausing Raids on Farms, Hotels and Eateries

RetiredAtLast said:
You're a little late to the party. I've already said that the US bombs terrorists that attack us.
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I am happy you acknowledge lying about the US not bombing anyone in years.

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RetiredAtLast said:
I don't know. You'll have to ask the guy who started this sub-thread.
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Why would I ask someone else to explain what you meant in your statement?


RetiredAtLast said:
Obviously, you haven't read much of this discussion. It was asserted that tourism revenue will drop because of some fears caused by the US enforcing it's immigration laws. Tourists and foreign travel agencies will get used to the new enforcement, and tourism revenues will increase again.
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No, I've read the whole discussion, it was your statement that didn't make any sense.

Foreign travelers are not going to just accept that they might not be admitted into the US because they made a critical statement about a politician, or risk being arbitrarily detained by CBP when entering the country; tourists will spend their money visiting some other country that doesn't present the same risk or frustration.

Once a tourist is turned off from visiting somewhere and decides to travel elsewhere, that revenue may never come back. Three and a half more years of tRump may cripple tourism for far longer than you think.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
You don't give a damn about the tourism industry. You don't like that Trump is enforcing our laws. Some travel agents in other countries might worry about too. But you can relax. They'll get used to it, respect it, and the numbers will be right back up.

How do you know? Wasn't the guy in Colorado overstaying a tourist visa when he tried to kill a bunch of citizens with burning gasoline?
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so you're a mind reader now? You have no clue what I do and don't give a damn about.

What I do give a damn about is that our laws are followed by our leaders and that they respect and uphold our constitution. Trump does neither. He's nothing more than a wannabe dictator.
 
Gaius46 said:
What I do give a damn about is that our laws are followed by our leaders and that they respect and uphold our constitution.
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I care (a) that our laws are obeyed by our citizens and, when they're not, that they be caught and punished and (b) that our leaders are subject to the same laws and punishment. (Side comment: If you feel that way, how could you vote for Biden or Harris?)
Gaius46 said:
Trump does neither.
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Trump does what he thinks is necessary knowing that, if any act isn't legal, the courts will correct him. And they do.
Gaius46 said:
He's nothing more than a wannabe dictator.
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Give it up. You guys screamed that all through the campaign and it didn't work. Sane people know it's a load of crap.
 
ClaraD said:
The court has ruled multiple times its civil and not criminal that’s why they don’t get a court appointed attorney.
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"In civil cases, by contrast, cases are initiated (suits are filed) by a private party (the plaintiff)"
When someone overstays a visa their removal is not initiated by a private citizen filing suit against them.

And I've discussed with you enough in the past that I'm not going to do it again on a technical point of law. Suffice it to say that it's illegal to overstay a visa, some people who do so commit other crimes, and our immigration laws should be observed even if it causes a drop in tourist revenue.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
"In civil cases, by contrast, cases are initiated (suits are filed) by a private party (the plaintiff)"
When someone overstays a visa their removal is not initiated by a private citizen filing suit against them.

And I've discussed with you enough in the past that I'm not going to do it again on a technical point of law. Suffice it to say that it's illegal to overstay a visa, some people who do so commit other crimes, and our immigration laws should be observed even if it causes a drop in tourist revenue.
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It doesn’t matter what you discuss, you’re wrong.

b)Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1)
at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2)
twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Your sick use of that terminology tells me that (a) you are incapable of rational discussion and (b) you're just another loser Democrat so typical of those bringing the Democrat Party into the political cellar.

This nation forbids anti-American activities by foreign visitors, and why not? We have enough of that kind of activity by our own leftists with out importing more.

Your own source tells us why: "While most of the government warnings don’t specify why they were added, the timing points to the Trump administration's executive orders regarding immigration and the tightening of border policies."
After four years of no controls at all, of allowing criminals and terrorists to move freely across our border and into our cities, the existing immigration laws are being enforced. If people in other countries don't like that, and especially if you "progressives" don't like it, it's just too damn bad.
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Typical right-wing Trump-worshipping nonsense.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
I care (a) that our laws are obeyed by our citizens and, when they're not, that they be caught and punished and (b) that our leaders are subject to the same laws and punishment. (Side comment: If you feel that way, how could you vote for Biden or Harris?)

Trump does what he thinks is necessary knowing that, if any act isn't legal, the courts will correct him. And they do.

Give it up. You guys screamed that all through the campaign and it didn't work. Sane people know it's a load of crap.
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I voted for Harris because she was the much lesser of 2 evils. What crimes is she alleged to have committed? While not convicted of anything substantive I saw enough of Trump - both while he was President and as a NYC resident living there in the 70s and 80s - to give lots of credence to the very serious allegations against him. And that's to say nothing of my opinion of his general suitability to be President.

As to your comment about "Trump does what he thinks is necessary knowing that, if any act isn't legal, the courts will correct him. And they do." you do realize that is in direct violation of his oath of office right?
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Think now, slowly.
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Why? I don't want to post like you. Think now. About what you just wrote. And how you left yourself wide open.

RetiredAtLast said:
Foreign travel agencies have noticed that we are enforcing our immigration laws. They've put out "advisories." It's estimated that a number of tourists will follow the warnings in those advisories. The drop in tourism revenue to American businesses is estimated to be about 8% this year. That will cause some loss in tax revenue to the country. A loss in tax revenue can be considered to be the equivalent of spending. Therefore, enforcing our laws will have two effects; (1), a drop in business income and tax revenue and (2) greater adherence to the law going forward. Since that loss of revenue is the cost of a positive change in our society, the lost revenue can be considered an investment in our future.

This is going to be a long post. You're predicting a loss in tourism revenue because the US has begun enforcing it's laws.

Tourists are breaking two kinds of laws. Criminal laws such as the guy who had overstayed his visa and used the time to plan and carry out an act of attempted murder, and the act of purposely overstaying the visa. The other thing (among many) that you don't understand is that you have cause and effect reversed. See if you can figure that out before your next post on the subject.
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The 8% loss is coming from tourists spending money on hotel rooms, food and local attractions. You're not making sense. As usual.

Your hatred for foreigners has clouded your thinking. It's slow.
 
snakestretcher said:
Typical right-wing Trump-worshipping nonsense.
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LOL! He says that as if he and his fellow travelers don't just spout whatever the Party tells them to say, or to think, even as the Democrat Party crumbles for the lack of a single idea. Sounds an awful lot like just a whining loser.
 
Gaius46 said:
As to your comment about "Trump does what he thinks is necessary knowing that, if any act isn't legal, the courts will correct him. And they do." you do realize that is in direct violation of his oath of office right?
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No, it isn't. The oath reads,
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

To preserve, protect and defend the Constitution requires enforcing the laws of the country that are passed under that Constitution. Trump enforces those laws, even if Democrats don't like it, with our immigration laws being a major focus today.

The single arbiter of what's legal under our Constitution, is the Supreme Court. Trump does what he believes is necessary to enforce those laws. Others react in one of two ways. They either rant, piss and moan because he doesn't cave in to what they want him to do, or they sue. Suing brings the dispute where it belongs so that the Constitutionality of the action or the law is confirmed or, if not confirmed, serves as a guide to the Legislative and Administrative branches to revise the law.

IOW, testing a law or an action doesn't violate the oath. By clarifying the law, it strengthens the Constitution.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
No, it isn't. The oath reads,
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

To preserve, protect and defend the Constitution requires enforcing the laws of the country that are passed under that Constitution. Trump enforces those laws, even if Democrats don't like it, with our immigration laws being a major focus today.

The single arbiter of what's legal under our Constitution, is the Supreme Court. Trump does what he believes is necessary to enforce those laws. Others react in one of two ways. They either rant, piss and moan because he doesn't cave in to what they want him to do, or they sue. Suing brings the dispute where it belongs so that the Constitutionality of the action or the law is confirmed or, if not confirmed, serves as a guide to the Legislative and Administrative branches to revise the law.

IOW, testing a law or an action doesn't violate the oath. By clarifying the law, it strengthens the Constitution.
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The President doesn’t get to clarify the law. The courts have that authority.

I notice you ignored the statute on civil infractions lmao
 
Michael Cole said:
The 8% loss is coming from tourists spending money on hotel rooms, food and local attractions. You're not making sense. As usual.
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I thought I made that simple enough for you. I'll try once more. If this doesn't work you'll have to get an "F:
  • Our laws are enforced.
  • The number of tourists that come here goes down.
  • The income of the tourism industry goes down.
  • The taxes paid by people and businesses in the tourism industry goes down.
  • The money lost is the cost of enforcing our laws.
  • The cost to improve a thing is an investment in that thing. I like them
  • Enforcing our laws makes the country safer, and that's an improvement
  • A temporary drop in tourism revenue caused by enforcing our laws is an investment in the country.
Michael Cole said:
Your hatred for foreigners has clouded your thinking. It's slow.
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I have no hatred for foreigners. In my former life, I worked very well with people all over the world. I liked them so much I've been married to one of them for almost half a century.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
No, it isn't. The oath reads,
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

To preserve, protect and defend the Constitution requires enforcing the laws of the country that are passed under that Constitution. Trump enforces those laws, even if Democrats don't like it, with our immigration laws being a major focus today.

The single arbiter of what's legal under our Constitution, is the Supreme Court. Trump does what he believes is necessary to enforce those laws. Others react in one of two ways. They either rant, piss and moan because he doesn't cave in to what they want him to do, or they sue. Suing brings the dispute where it belongs so that the Constitutionality of the action or the law is confirmed or, if not confirmed, serves as a guide to the Legislative and Administrative branches to revise the law.

IOW, testing a law or an action doesn't violate the oath. By clarifying the law, it strengthens the Constitution.
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Absurdist theorizing in the reality of the many willfully contempt actions taken by the admin in violation of court orders from Garcia to NIH funding. The place is burning down while you say the fireplace has embers. This is not some single play by the admin but a total assault on all post WWII institutions, save the DoD. Don has violated the oath so many times it is not funny, but this is all on top of the fact that he keeps using the same ploy with his base. He promised to deport millions, now he can't get there without a massive police state action AND the crushing of agriculture, big and small, so he is TACOing on the cheap labor assaults.....except in CA where he has to maintain the example....as long as the courts allow....as long as he follows the courts.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
I thought
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You don't.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Hatred has captured your mind.

RetiredAtLast said:
I made that simple enough for you. I'll try once more. If this doesn't work you'll have to get an "F:
  • Our laws are enforced.
  • The number of tourists that come here goes down.
  • The income of the tourism industry goes down.
  • The taxes paid by people and businesses in the tourism industry goes down.
  • The money lost is the cost of enforcing our laws.
  • The cost to improve a thing is an investment in that thing. I like them
  • Enforcing our laws makes the country safer, and that's an improvement
  • A temporary drop in tourism revenue caused by enforcing our laws is an investment in the country.

I have no hatred for foreigners. In my former life, I worked very well with people all over the world. I liked them so much I've been married to one of them for almost half a century.
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You treat foreigners differently than natives. You see foreigners as criminals. Sick shit.

I'm talking about international tourism You're spewing nonsensical hatred.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Since you claim that it happened, perhaps you can support the idea that skilled people have stopped seeking legal immigration to the U.S.
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So you haven’t read any of the posts here where various professionals have been erroneously detained/deported? Os seen the drop in tourism out of fear of same?
 
StillBallin75 said:
If this is true, it's wild how you can just turn on the news and be more educated than the "Commander in Chief."
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You can sleep through a month of newscasts and be more up to date than Donald Trump.

Saw a piece on line (can't remember where) that demonstrates he has a grade four reading comprehension level.

That explains his stupid phrasing and idiotic ramblings. He's just dumb!


And evil.
 
stealthycat said:
I say make everyone a non-citizen

Nobody has to pay taxes, buy insurance, nobody is covered by labor laws, companies don't have to match 401K and pay PTO etc ....... as a non-citizen you get free healthcare, you don't have to pay property taxes or anything like that, don't have to have a drivers license ....

make everyone like that
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I thought MAGA hated Puerto Rico
 
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What if...? said:
So you haven’t read any of the posts here where various professionals have been erroneously detained/deported? Os seen the drop in tourism out of fear of same?
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context free, gets to make broad theoretical calls, plays it as the "testing of the waters", nothing to see here, the gaslight shines enough light....don't you think so?
 
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