Trump says US cannot give every person it wants to deport a trial (3 Viewers)

[WorldWatcher]

He needs to get a layered licensed to practice in the court where he is filing. That's the same for everyone.

He's being detained in El Salvador, since the SCOTUS said habeus requests had to be filed at the location of detention.

Which US court in El Salvador would he file it with?

WW

 

[Lord of Planar]

Nonsense.

The PATRIOT Act of 2001 (Section 213) was a statute which superseded the 5th and 14th Amendments.

Bullshit. Laws passed by congress never supersede the constitution.

This statute empowered law enforcement officers to search a home or business and seize material without the knowledge or consent of the owner or occupant.

Judges can already order such things before the patriot Act.

No due process, no habeas corpus.

There is a due process. It allows for secrecy in such due process.

It's not like this is the first time that a statute has superseded the constitution.

You never actually had a case.

Again, statute never supersedes the constitution.

 

[Nickyjo]

The bottom line is that Abrego Garcia is not coming back to the U.S. (not legally, anyways).

So facilitating his return, as the Supreme Court ordered, would be an illegal act by the Trump administration?

 

[Lord of Planar]

The bottom line is that Abrego Garcia is not coming back to the U.S. (not legally, anyways).

He will not make it out of that place until he is dead. that facility houses only gang members, and El Salvador never releases a gang member from prison. Being a gang member there is a life sentence.

 

[Allan]

These people ARE being afforded due process.

They are not. The AEA requires a court hearing. They're not getting that.

 

[SkyChief]

So facilitating his return, as the Supreme Court ordered, would be an illegal act by the Trump administration?

Not really, because the Supreme Court doesn't have the authority to force the president to do something. The Court Order is ambiguous - it really doesn't say specifically what Trump needs to do.

Abrego Gargia will not be returning to the U.S. (legally anyways).

 

[Allan]

It's not my opinion - the U.S. Attorney General said so, and she has the power and authority to deport aliens without due process.

Link please to that authority.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So facilitating his return, as the Supreme Court ordered, would be an illegal act by the Trump administration?

Facilitating could be simply paying for his trip back, but El Salvador has to release him first.

Words have meaning. Please buy a good dictionary.

 

[SkyChief]

Link please to that authority.

No spoon-feeding, now.

It's there. YOU find it.

Try this - Copy/paste


What statue gives the attorney general authority to deport without a hearing?

into your searchbar.

 

[Allan]

No spoon-feeding.

It's there. YOU find it.

You can't link to it because it doesn't exist. You're simply making shit up.

 

[Grogu]

He doesn't need a deportation hearing. He hasn't been accused of any crime. He was in the country without a Visa, and subject to deportation.

El Salvador's judicial system put him in prison - not Trump.

What a ludicrous statement. El Salvador doesn’t have a judicial system within the United States. The people being human trafficked out of the country didn’t ride on a magic carpet to El Salvador. They were seized off the streets by U.S. agents under a bogus executive order, transported out of state, then put on planes paid for by the U.S. government.

Trump has got his name all over this.

 

[The Mark]

Trump says US cannot give every person it wants to deport a trial​

(Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday said on Truth Social that his administration cannot give everyone it wants to deport a trial "because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years"

In the post, Trump wrote about removing criminals and those illegally in the United States.
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First, there is a difference between deportation -- the removal of a person to their home country, and; renditioning someone to a foreign jail.

Second, I believe administrative deportation judges handle deportations, and have been doing so. If we need more of them, hire them. If an administration wants to send people (aliens or American citizens) to a foreign jail, the accused ARE entitled to a trail in court, as per the constitution and the recent Supreme Court ruling.

If he thinks that, then clearly he needs congress to propose, and the states ratify, a constitutional amendment that creates an exception to the 5th amendment due process protection.

To be clear, I think that would be a terrible idea.

Due process exists to protect every citizen and legal resident from potentially being mistaken for someone else and punished without a trial.
Thus, it must also protect every illegal resident, because a part of due process is determining whether a person is here legally or illegally.

Creating an exception defeats it's entire purpose.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

It's not my opinion - the U.S. Attorney General said so, and she has the power and authority to deport aliens without due process.

I noticed you are reluctant to provide direct citations to the source of this authority.
...so...

What search terms should we use to find the source of this authority you speak of?​

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If he thinks that, then clearly he needs congress and the states to amend the constitution.

And maybe hire back some of the immigration personnel Trump fired a recently

Mass exodus of immigration officials could delay millions of deportations

The mass exodus of more than 100 immigration officials since Trump's inauguration could undermine his pledge to deport millions of undocumented immigrants, critics warn.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Nickyjo]

Facilitating could be simply paying for his trip back, but El Salvador has to release him first.

Words have meaning. Please buy a good dictionary.

If the US can pay El Salvador to do its bidding, we can get him released. Trump and other leaders have done this sort of thing even when they haven’t been paying the jailer’s bills.

 

[Lord of Planar]

No spoon-feeding, now.

It's there. YOU find it.

Try this - Copy/paste


What statue gives the attorney general authority to deport without a hearing?

into your searchbar.

A hearing is not a trial.

A hearing due process.

Due process is not necessarily a trial.

 

[SkyChief]

A hearing is not a trial.

Due process is not necessarily a trial.

Interesting straw-man.

 

[Lutherf]

They are not. The AEA requires a court hearing. They're not getting that.

The AEA requires a court hearing ONLY of there is a Habeas claim. If that claim is waived then no hearing is required.

 

[SavannahMann]

No.

There are no statutes which supersede the Second Amendment (yet, anyways).

But we're getting deep in the weeds. The bottom line is that there are some circumstances when due process is not afforded to people, and Garcia is one of them.

Garcia is not coming back to the U.S..

The Court, including the Supremes, have said no there are not any circumstances in which due process is afforded to people.

The Administration is claiming this was a mistake, but it doesn’t matter because they can make all the mistakes they want. The thing about a mistake. You are supposed to rectify the situation. If I smash into your car due to ineptitude during parking. I am responsible for repairing the damage caused by my mistake. If the cops knock down your door while serving a warrant on the wrong address, they need to take actions to correct the mistake.

The 14th Amendment says all People. It doesn’t say some people. Most of the people. It says all.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Nonsense.

The PATRIOT Act of 2001 (Section 213) was a statute which superseded the 5th and 14th Amendments.
This statute empowered law enforcement officers to search a home or business and seize material without the knowledge or consent of the owner or occupant.

No due process, no habeas corpus.

It's not like this is the first time that a statute has superseded the constitution.

You never actually had a case.

Lol.

So you can't take away 2nd amendment rights without amending the 2nd, but you can take away due process rights without amending the 5th and the 14th.

Lol.

 

[Allan]

The AEA requires a court hearing ONLY of there is a Habeas claim. If that claim is waived then no hearing is required.

False. The AEA has no such requirement.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The Court, including the Supremes, have said no there are not any circumstances in which due process is afforded to people.

The Administration is claiming this was a mistake, but it doesn’t matter because they can make all the mistakes they want. The thing about a mistake. You are supposed to rectify the situation. If I smash into your car due to ineptitude during parking. I am responsible for repairing the damage caused by my mistake. If the cops knock down your door while serving a warrant on the wrong address, they need to take actions to correct the mistake.

The 14th Amendment says all People. It doesn’t say some people. Most of the people. It says all.

So what "due process" were they not afforded? In this case, due process means they made a legal determination they are here illegally.

That's all due process needs to be. It need not be a court trial.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

The constitution protects only those who are born in the U.S., naturalized citizens, and those who have permanent residence status (a visa of some sort).

This is demonstrably incorrect.
Read it and weep:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjtuYn_mOyMAxWbKkQIHeXyEjYQFnoECC0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fconstitution.congress.gov%2Fbrowse%2Fessay%2FartI-S8-C18-8-7-2%2FALDE_00001262%2F&usg=AOvVaw1Uh-Yrj6lbhRnBUFEFdl8A&opi=89978449

 

[Allan]

So what "due process" were they not afforded?

Court hearing.

 

[The Mark]

A hearing is not a trial.

A hearing due process.

Due process is not necessarily a trial.

Whatever the process is, it has to be thorough enough that we don't deport anyone we shouldn't, and it also must include a method to correct any mistakes that still happen.

Which sounds like a trial and an appeal process, but does not have to be precisely that?