Trump says US cannot give every person it wants to deport a trial

[Simon W. Moon]

I think everyone can agree with that.

if only

 

[Lord of Planar]

Teen Girls Arrested and Deported While Backpacking in Hawaii

Two teenage girls from Germany were detained, arrested, and deported at an airport in Hawaii after immigration officials said it was suspicious they had not booked a hotel room. Backpackers Charlotte Pohl, 19, and Maria Lepere, 18, arrived in Honolulu from Auckland while undergoing a...

www.yahoo.com

No tattoos.. But they do look dangerous.. And they were in 1 of the most tourism spots in America.. Glad Trump is keeping us safe from tourists and teenagers... Lol.. /s

It's not unusual for arriving visitors, or even permanent U.S. residents or citizens, to have to attest to their accommodations at the border. Other countries similarly require proof of lodging, or at least an address, on entry paperwork at the border.​

German teens detained and deported in Hawaii

Two German teenagers were denied entry into the U.S. and deported from Honolulu after failing to show proof of lodging.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Simon W. Moon]

What specific due process was denied to Garcia?

idk

Can you google it rq?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Yep.

Us citizens. Not foreign invaders.

If a foreign person comes to the US, are they within the jurisdiction of the US?

 

[Lord of Planar]

No, it is not. There are no constitutional protections for aliens who are not under the jurisdiction of the U.S. People keep saying that, but it's just not true.

I disagree here. Your position would not allow for the proof of legal residency. There needs to be enough due process for a person to provide a status.

The issue is deportation. People want the man returned "home" to the U.S..

The problem is his "home" is not the U.S. - his home is El Salvador - where he is being incarcerated.

Yep.

 

[Allan]

It's not unusual for arriving visitors, or even permanent U.S. residents or citizens, to have to attest to their accommodations at the border. Other countries similarly require proof of lodging, or at least an address, on entry paperwork at the border.​

German teens detained and deported in Hawaii

Two German teenagers were denied entry into the U.S. and deported from Honolulu after failing to show proof of lodging.

www.usatoday.com

Nice try. They were denied entry. Big difference.

From the article...

"These travelers were denied entry after attempting to enter the U.S. under false pretenses. One used a Visitor visa, the other the Visa Waiver Program," CBP Assistant Commissioner Hilton Beckham said in a statement.

 

[Fletch]

No court hearing.

He had at least two court hearings in 2019

 

[ncguy]

I disagree here. Your position would not allow for the proof of legal residency. There needs to be enough due process for a person to provide a status.

Yep.

nope. his home was in maryland with his family, he should be returned there to get due process.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Would it change you mind to learn that 2 courts have agreed that he is a gang member, prior to his deportation.

Would it change your mind that the claim was likely bogus (or at best weak)?

The "2 courts" were a bond hearing judge and the request to redetermine bond status. Bond hearing occur shortly after detainment, the respondent is provided limited time to rebut due to short turn around time. Neither they or their attorney (if they have one) have time to develop rebuttal evidence, have discovery, solicit testimony, obtain documents, or sworn affidavits.

That means the judge is sitting there with a stack of bond hearing cases and it's an assembly line process where claims by the government are given undue weight because the resonant is at a disadvantage.

Abrego Garcia's Bond hearing was in (IIRC) March/April time frame, you fail to mention that Judge Jones who sat on the ACTUAL immigration hearing where asylum was denied (time limited) and granted the withholding of deportation that after testimony, affidavits, and document submission that Abreo Garcia was creditable. You also don't mention that Judge Xinis in her opinion was highly suspect of the governments position given the nature of the "evidence" they used.

(NOW, I'm no dissing the Bond Hearing Judge, I'm pointing out that when the evidence is weighed on the merits, later judges were not convinced.)


WW

 

[Allan]

He had at least two court hearings in 2019

Lol.

He had the right to a court hearing for this action under the AEA.

 

[Lord of Planar]

If a foreign person comes to the US, are they within the jurisdiction of the US?

That wording is meant as to your home country jurisdiction. Otherwise, why is it there?

Read the debates on the origination of the constitution and amendments. Not by using modern dictionary and thoughts. I have an old 19th century dictionary to help me.

 

[upsideguy]

Would it change you mind to learn that 2 courts have agreed that he is a gang member, prior to his deportation.

NO! He is still entitled to due process. The ends does not justify the means -- he was sent to prison without a trial. Moreover, due process would have kept him from ever being deported to El Salvador much less a prison known for human rights abuses. What happened here is immoral, unAmerican, A-Christian and generally abhorrent. I personally do not think well of people that think this is 'ok', I think it reflects poorly on their decency, but that is me.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What is alleged and what we know

BBC Verify looks at the evidence behind allegations that the Salvadoran mistakenly deported to a mega-prison was a dangerous gang member.

www.bbc.com

If you knew the whole history of this case, you would also know that his so-called gang member status was never affirmed --- but that is another issue,

 

[Allan]

I have an old 19th century dictionary to help me.

That explains so much.

 

[SkyChief]

Which words in the Constitution indicate that "the constitution protects only those who are born in the U.S., naturalized citizens, and those who have permanent residence status"?

any of them?

14th Amendment:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.

Permanent Residents (Visa holders) are subject to the jurisdiction of the States. Illegal immigrants (or people who's visa was revoked) are not.

"arraignment, indictment, trial, conviction, etc." is not due process.

Due process is a system where you are notified of an impending action and have a chance to rebut the basis of that action. . . .

. . . Due process doesn't require a trial and jury.

Very well. But Garcia is not coming back to the U.S.

No trials are being demanded. Only Traitor Trump and other lying MAGAts are making the false claim.

The illegal migrants are entitled to habeas corpus hearings.

Some are, and some aren't. It depends on circumstances. Some statutes empower the State Department to forgo constitutional protections.

Traitor Trump wants to deny them that constitutional right.

The right can be revoked in special cases.

 

[WorldWatcher]

They can appeal from outside our borders if they wish to do that.

Actually the SCOTUS decision says they can file for habeus corpus proceedings where they are being detained.

There are no US courts in El Salvador.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Only gang members from El Salvador go there.

You don't know he sending Venezuelans to El Salvador?

WW

 

[Allan]

14th Amendment:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.

Very well. But Garcia is not coming back to the U.S.

Some are, and some aren't. It depends on circumstances. Some statutes empower the State Department to forgo constitutional protections.

The right can be revoked in special cases.

You're making it up as you go.

 

[WorldWatcher]

He had at least two court hearings in 2019

Actually he had a Bond Hearing, and appeal of the bond determination, and then an Aslyum Hearing under Judge Jones in October 2019.

Judge Jones put a hold on deportation.

WW

 

[Fletch]

Lol.

He had the right to a court hearing for this action under the AEA.

But the man has had more than his share of due process. Immigration courts have already declared him MS13, but if there is an additional step where incarceration until a final hearing is given, Im ok with that.

 

[Argent]

Yes, and they focus on finding them. In the process of the hunt, they come in contact with others who are here illegally, so what is wrong with deporting them as they are found?

Nothing is wrong with it as long as they don't scoop up citizens and those who are here legally in their huge nets and keep them in detention or ship them to prisons in other countries which has happened. They need to be diligent and not fanatic about their work.

 

[Allan]

Actually he had a Bond Hearing, and appeal of the bond determination, and then an Aslyum Hearing under Judge Jones in October 2019.

Judge Jones put a hold on deportation.

WW

Oops. @Fletch screwed up.

 

[Ikari]

The voters are idiots for voting then in. The politicians are actually rather smart, constantly duping the voters with all their rhetoric and empty promises.

President Trump is the first president in a long time, trying to actually fulfill his campaign promises.

The left hates him even more for that...

Wish he'd try to fulfill those "lower prices" promises.

 

[ncguy]

But the man has had more than his share of due process. Immigration courts have already declared him MS13, but if there is an additional step where incarceration until a final hearing is given, Im ok with that.

"more than his fair share"? lol. scotus disagrees with your legal "expertise"

 

[Fletch]

Actually he had a Bond Hearing, and appeal of the bond determination, and then an Aslyum Hearing under Judge Jones in October 2019.

Judge Jones put a hold on deportation.

WW

And found him to be MS13

 

[WorldWatcher]

But the man has had more than his share of due process. Immigration courts have already declared him MS13, but if there is an additional step where incarceration until a final hearing is given, Im ok with that.

It was a bond hearing not a determination of his immigration status.

WW