Trump Says U.S. Aircraft Carrier Design Is ‘Wrong,’ Plans Overhaul

[MTAtech]

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President Donald Trump told U.S. troops stationed in Japan he plans to order traditional steam powered catapults aboard American warships instead of newer electromagnetic systems that he said may not work as well during wartime.

Trump polled the sailors and Marines on the USS Wasp on steam versus electric catapults Tuesday during a visit to the the Yokosuka naval base south of Tokyo, the biggest overseas U.S. naval installation.

The tour came at the end of the president’s four-day state visit to Japan, a key military ally. The troops’ cheers were audibly larger for steam catapults -- used to launch aircraft off navy ships -- and Trump took note.

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We already know that DJT knows more about ISIS than the generals. Now we know he knows more about aircraft carriers than the admirals.

I admit, I don't know which is better, steam or electric catapults, but I sure do know that Ensign Bone-spurs doesn't either. Deciding to switch designs based upon the cheers of a crowd is just plain stupid to the third power.

According to Wiki:

Its [electric] main advantage is that it accelerates aircraft more smoothly, putting less stress on their airframes. Compared to steam catapults, the EMALS also weighs less, is expected to cost less and require less maintenance, and can launch both heavier and lighter aircraft than a steam piston-driven system. It also reduces the carrier's requirement of fresh water, thus reducing the demand for energy-intensive desalination.

Real news is becoming indistinguishable from The Onion.

 

[Cardinal]

Like the OP, I also have no idea what the difference between a steam powered catapult and an electromagnetic catapult is (except that the latter almost certainly makes a super cool futuristic sci-fi sound). But I do know that my ignorance on that topic doesn’t make Donald ****ing trump any more qualified to make that call.

 

[sangha]

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We already know that DJT knows more about ISIS than the generals. Now we know he knows more about aircraft carriers than the admirals.

I admit, I don't know which is better, steam or electric catapults, but I sure do know that Ensign Bone-spurs doesn't either. Deciding to switch designs based upon the cheers of a crowd is just plain stupid to the third power.

According to Wiki:


Real news is becoming indistinguishable from The Onion.

Of all the cluster ****s I imagined a boob like Trump could create, it never could have occurred to me that he would make decisions about military technology on the basis of what gets the most cheers

 

[Gaius46]

At one point in time this would have shocked me.

 

[roughdraft274]

[h=1]Trump Says U.S. Aircraft Carrier Design Is ‘Wrong,’ Plans Overhaul[/h]

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We already know that DJT knows more about ISIS than the generals. Now we know he knows more about aircraft carriers than the admirals.

I admit, I don't know which is better, steam or electric catapults, but I sure do know that Ensign Bone-spurs doesn't either. Deciding to switch designs based upon the cheers of a crowd is just plain stupid to the third power.

According to Wiki:


Real news is becoming indistinguishable from The Onion.

He's lying. He might as well have said Mexico is paying for it. He thought it might get some cheers so he said it. He doesn't have the motivation or work ethic to actually go through the processes to make such a change. They'll give him some stuff to read and he will leave it be, so that he's not inconvenienced.

 

[Rexedgar]

Re: Trump Says U.S. Aircraft Carrier Design Is ‘Wrong,’ Plans Overhaul

It’s going to be alright. Planes are going back to canvas and wire, too!



President Donald Trump says airplanes are 'becoming far too complex to fly'

Trump after Boeing 737 Max 8 crash: Planes are becoming 'too complex'

 

[MTAtech]

At one point in time this would have shocked me.

Can you imagine, just a few years ago there was a controversy because the president was wearing a tan suit?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

[h=1]Trump Says U.S. Aircraft Carrier Design Is ‘Wrong,’ Plans Overhaul[/h]

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We already know that DJT knows more about ISIS than the generals. Now we know he knows more about aircraft carriers than the admirals.

I admit, I don't know which is better, steam or electric catapults, but I sure do know that Ensign Bone-spurs doesn't either. Deciding to switch designs based upon the cheers of a crowd is just plain stupid to the third power.

According to Wiki:


Real news is becoming indistinguishable from The Onion.

Keep in mind: twump is literally mentally retarded.

 

[apdst]

If y'all could get past "Trump...bad" for a few seconds, you could understand his point.

Donald Trump's Problem With the Navy's Electromagnetic Airplane Catapult, Explained

 

[roughdraft274]

If y'all could get past "Trump...bad" for a few seconds, you could understand his point.

Donald Trump's Problem With the Navy's Electromagnetic Airplane Catapult, Explained

I understand his point. New technology sometimes can be a pain in the butt to get just right. But... from your own source:

EMALS is a poster child for immature technologies sent to the field too soon. That said, by all accounts the principles behind it are sound. Like any new technology the problems will eventually be worked out. It will almost certainly be cheaper and less time-consuming to debug the new system than to reintroduce the old one. While the President may be Commander in Chief, and the Navy has not done a good job managing the Ford program, micromanaging complex engineering programs is a bad idea. The President needs to make the Navy fix its own problem instead of handing it a new one.

Sounds about right. The president is bitching about something he knows nothing about and wants to force them to go back to something that he knows nothing about.

 

[apdst]

The EMALS has had a history of problems. This system was built into an aircraft carrier, before it was even perfected.

These Are All of the Ways Not to Build an Aircraft Carrier | The National Interest

If Congress wants to investigate something, investigate that.

But yeah, I know "Trump...bad".

 

[Ikari]

I understand his point. New technology sometimes can be a pain in the butt to get just right. But... from your own source:



Sounds about right. The president is bitching about something he knows nothing about and wants to force them to go back to something that he knows nothing about.

So in the end, EMALS will be the better system. Though this does show the problems with rushing technology to the door before it's been completely verified.

 

[Rexedgar]

If y'all could get past "Trump...bad" for a few seconds, you could understand his point.

Donald Trump's Problem With the Navy's Electromagnetic Airplane Catapult, Explained

Did you read the entire post?

“EMALS is a poster child for immature technologies sent to the field too soon. That said, by all accounts the principles behind it are sound. Like any new technology the problems will eventually be worked out. It will almost certainly be cheaper and less time-consuming to debug the new system than to reintroduce the old one. While the President may be Commander in Chief, and the Navy has not done a good job managing the Ford program, micromanaging complex engineering programs is a bad idea. The President needs to make the Navy fix its own problem instead of handing it a new one.”-from the link in the post being replied to.




Edit: I was hunting and pecking while the prior reply was made. :shrug:

 

[Barnacle]

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We already know that DJT knows more about ISIS than the generals. Now we know he knows more about aircraft carriers than the admirals.
I admit, I don't know which is better, steam or electric catapults, but I sure do know that Ensign Bone-spurs doesn't either. Deciding to switch designs based upon the cheers of a crowd is just plain stupid to the third power.
According to Wiki:
Real news is becoming indistinguishable from The Onion.

Wouldn't an EMP attack from an enemy side render our catapults useless?

No snarkyness, just a genuine question.

 

[apdst]

I understand his point. New technology sometimes can be a pain in the butt to get just right. But... from your own source:



Sounds about right. The president is bitching about something he knows nothing about and wants to force them to go back to something that he knows nothing about.

Working in theory, but not in reality is unacceptable.
Wouldn't you agree?

Don't our troops deserve the best equipment money can buy? So far, the EMALS ain't it.

What should have happened: the technologu should have been perfected and then fielded. Not the other way around. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[apdst]

Wouldn't an EMP attack from an enemy side render our catapults useless?

No snarkyness, just a genuine question.

An EMP attack would disable a steam catapult too. The steam is generated by the ship's reactor.

 

[roughdraft274]

So in the end, EMALS will be the better system. Though this does show the problems with rushing technology to the door before it's been completely verified.

Well, you can't verify a system this large and complex without building one. In reality, the choices are either building a carrier with this system to test it out, or putting it on a real carrier and testing it out. Either way, you are building a carrier. The science behind it works, smaller versions work. They just need to work the kinks out of the larger version. And I guarantee, when they first implemented the steam catapults, they had more problems than the new system is having now.

 

[Barnacle]

An EMP attack would disable a steam catapult too. The steam is generated by the ship's reactor.

Okay ... thanks.

 

[apdst]

So in the end, EMALS will be the better system. Though this does show the problems with rushing technology to the door before it's been completely verified.

It might be. It might not be. That should have been figured out before putting the system in the field.

 

[Napoleon]

Working in theory, but not in reality is unacceptable.
Wouldn't you agree?

Don't our troops deserve the best equipment money can buy? So far, the EMALS ain't it.

What should have happened: the technologu should have been perfected and then fielded. Not the other way around. Wouldn't you agree?

New technologies should have a pilot program. You’ll never know if the concept pans out in practical application if there is no practical application. Technologies aren’t perfected by not using them for their intended purpose.

 

[Airyaman]

People need to understand that promises made on the stump, on Twitter, etc. by DJT are subject to be forgotten. Most never end up as formal commands from Dotard-in-Chief.

 

[ocean515]

[h=1]Trump Says U.S. Aircraft Carrier Design Is ‘Wrong,’ Plans Overhaul[/h]

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We already know that DJT knows more about ISIS than the generals. Now we know he knows more about aircraft carriers than the admirals.

I admit, I don't know which is better, steam or electric catapults, but I sure do know that Ensign Bone-spurs doesn't either. Deciding to switch designs based upon the cheers of a crowd is just plain stupid to the third power.

According to Wiki:


Real news is becoming indistinguishable from The Onion.

Perhaps the President knows a bit more about this issue due to reports he has seen. Why else would he ask those with experience what their thoughts were on the issue?

 

[humbolt]

I understand his point. New technology sometimes can be a pain in the butt to get just right. But... from your own source:



Sounds about right. The president is bitching about something he knows nothing about and wants to force them to go back to something that he knows nothing about.

The future of EMALS Isn't the problem. The chief question - the one that matters - is whether or not you want to go to war today with that system, and clearly the answer is "no". At present the steam cats work better.

 

[apdst]

Well, you can't verify a system this large and complex without building one. In reality, the choices are either building a carrier with this system to test it out, or putting it on a real carrier and testing it out. Either way, you are building a carrier. The science behind it works, smaller versions work. They just need to work the kinks out of the larger version. And I guarantee, when they first implemented the steam catapults, they had more problems than the new system is having now.

The EMALS could have been built and tested without building an entire aircraft carrier.

 

[apdst]

New technologies should have a pilot program. You’ll never know if the concept pans out in practical application if there is no practical application. Technologies aren’t perfected by not using them for their intended purpose.

It's also a bad idea to build an entire vessel around unperfected technology.