Trump says he plans to phase out FEMA after 2025 hurricane season

[StillBallin75]

Hey @stealthycat, how much of Donnie telling you to go **** yourself will it take for you to realize he wants you to go **** yourself?

Or will you worship him even after a tornado tears through your home and you can't blame Biden for the lack of disaster reponse?

 

[Visbek]

So governors CAN handle massive natural disasters on their own, which can cross state lines, cut communications, and benefit from experts who have operated in more than one state.

But governors CAN'T handle 700 protesters who throw rocks at cops ducking behind riot shields.

Does anyone actually think this makes any sense whatsoever?

 

[Napoleon]

This is a great idea.

 

[Roadvirus]

This is a great idea.

Sure. If you like dumpster fires.

 

[Risky Thicket]

From the other thread on this:

Where is the money coming from? He's backing away from providing federal funds. Look how crass and cavalier he and Noem are, re: people's lives, homes, and livelihoods:

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he plans to phase out the Federal Emergency Management Agency after this year’s hurricane season, offering the clearest timeline yet for his administration’s long-term plans to dismantle the disaster relief agency and shift responsibility for response and recovery onto states.​

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“We want to wean off of FEMA, and we want to bring it down to the state level,” Trump told reporters during a briefing in the Oval Office, later saying, “A governor should be able to handle it, and frankly, if they can’t handle it, the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn’t be governor.”​

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Trump added that the federal government will start distributing less federal aid for disaster recovery and that the funding will come directly from the president’s office.​

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For months, Trump and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, whose department oversees FEMA, have vowed to eliminate the agency, repeatedly criticizing it as ineffective and unnecessary. Noem reiterated those plans Tuesday in the Oval Office, saying FEMA “fundamentally needs to go away as it exists.” link​

See the red text? He wants to pick and choose what states, what regions, what voting districts, etc get federal $$ assistance when lives and homes are on the line. Do you think this is appropriate? Do you think he'll be punitive?

FEMA is not a bank, it's a distribution network and infrastructure. It's about how to get emergency CREWS and equipment to people fast. The $$ for individuals comes later, for rebuilding but the $$ for emergency response needs to be there immediately. States dont necessarily have those resources, FEMA is a centralized unit that can make those things available as needed, even reused. Do you see the value in this? Please explain how this is an unnecessary burden on the national debt? Arent living persons and open businesses and drivable roads and bridges better for the economy?

In three different states I volunteered to work with state emergency planning, mitigation and response. The effort by everyone involved is massive. Disaster planning, mitigation and response begins a state level with guidance to local governments. If the disaster is beyond local level, state takes over, if the the disaster is beyond state ability to handle it goes to national level. FEMA is involved state level providing training and resources during the planning and mitigation levels as well. It is most complex.

Donald Trump doesn't know jack about disasters or FEMA. Nor does he care. His plan is to throw all of it to the states - and it would seem that would include the necessary funding. States could be devastated financially if they had to do without the oversight and assistance from FEMA.

Here again, Trump wants to lower the tax burden of the % while forcing states to raise taxes. If Trump/MAGA were able to do that, damn near everyone in every state would feel burden.

Where's the planning? Where's the research and data for Trump's plan? IT DOES NOT EXIST. Here again Trump/MAGA has not and cannot justify their reasoning.

There is no disaster in LA. No insurrection. No rebellion. California did not request assistance from the federal government. However, Trump could not wait to jump in and involve the federal government. Again no planning. He just did it. But God forbid a state needs help in a disaster Trump will tell them to piss off. Something is very wrong with that picture.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Trump says he plans to phase out FEMA after 2025 hurricane season​

CNN —
President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he plans to phase out the Federal Emergency Management Agency after this year’s hurricane season, offering the clearest timeline yet for his administration’s long-term plans to dismantle the disaster relief agencyand shift responsibility for response and recovery onto states.

“We want to wean off of FEMA, and we want to bring it down to the state level,” Trump told reporters during a briefing in the Oval Office, later saying, “A governor should be able to handle it, and frankly, if they can’t handle it, the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn’t be governor.”

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Hear that all you Southern states that are prone to hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, etc.? You’re on your own.

Needless to say this is absurd. We have a Federal Emergency Management Agency because many natural disasters are too big for any state to handle, so we move federal resources around to mitigate harm of those affected.

Can anyone imagine a poor state like Mississippi trying to deal with a hurricane on their own?

Intellectually dishonest post. Trump's plans are to phase out FEMA, not phase out aid. FEMA has performed very poorly. As the victims of the hurricane in North Carolina. After FEMA is phased out, rather than DC bureaucrats dispersing aid, the money will go directly to the affected states and state and local governments will disperse it.

 

[MTAtech]

Intellectually dishonest post. Trump's plans are to phase out FEMA, not phase out aid. FEMA has performed very poorly. As the victims of the hurricane in North Carolina. After FEMA is phased out, rather than DC bureaucrats dispersing aid, the money will go directly to the affected states and state and local governments will disperse it.

Let me quote the article and emphasize the relevant portions.

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he plans to phase out the Federal Emergency Management Agency after this year’s hurricane season, offering the clearest timeline yet for his administration’s long-term plans to dismantle the disaster relief agencyand shift responsibility for response and recovery onto states.

“We want to wean off of FEMA, and we want to bring it down to the state level,” Trump told reporters during a briefing in the Oval Office, later saying, “A governor should be able to handle it, and frankly, if they can’t handle it, the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn’t be governor.”

That clearly says that the federal government is shifting responsibility to the states. Nothing dishonest with the post.

 

[BirdinHand]

States Rights are important


Its funny how liberals want the Fed Govt to be involved (a hurricane) and then NOT want them to be involved (riots/looting in LA)

Which is it ?

I imagine FEMA will not go away, I don't think Trump can disassemble that

Tell us that you don’t know that a governor has to request FEMAs assistance without telling us.



Every time you post, I swear you reveal more and more just how little you know.

 

[BirdinHand]

Intellectually dishonest post. Trump's plans are to phase out FEMA, not phase out aid. FEMA has performed very poorly. As the victims of the hurricane in North Carolina. After FEMA is phased out, rather than DC bureaucrats dispersing aid, the money will go directly to the affected states and state and local governments will disperse it.

FEMA is the central planning organization that coordinates interstate aid and contracts and makes sure people get paid and contracts are in place ahead of time.

You think those linemen from across the country just show up out of goodwill?



Man, this is going to be really funny to watch when Florida takes a hurricane in the face and no one shows up to turn the power back on because Dementia Donnie dismantled FEMA and none of the other states are willing to go in and do work because there’s no guarantee they’re going to get paid.

 

[Brack]

States Rights are important


Its funny how liberals want the Fed Govt to be involved (a hurricane) and then NOT want them to be involved (riots/looting in LA)

Which is it ?

I imagine FEMA will not go away, I don't think Trump can disassemble that

Donald Trump isn't that much for state rights when it comes to California. Link

 

[BabaVoss]

States Rights are important

They should be.

Its funny how liberals want the Fed Govt to be involved (a hurricane) and then NOT want them to be involved (riots/looting in LA)

Which is it ?

Easy. This is how our system is set up.
One is a job that requires a national response - or a state could easily be overwhelmed. Hence the word 'disaster'.
The other is a local law enforcement responsibility.
IF more is needed, the state can request it, and the Federal government can help.
When everyone follows the plan, it works out.
When someone chooses to muck things up - like Trump has - it doesn't work so well.
We are supposed to be UNITED.
I don't know what Trump is trying to do, but it the opposite of UNITED.

I imagine FEMA will not go away, I don't think Trump can disassemble that

He's managed to damage of lot of our government that he should not have been able to.

 

[lwf]

Well, the current acting head of FEMA didn't even know the US had a hurricane season, so I can't imagine red states will see much of a difference between 2025 and 2026 after Trump's "phase out."

Acting head of FEMA said he wasn't aware U.S. has a hurricane season​

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fema-head-wasnt-aware-hurricane-season/

 

[Risky Thicket]

Intellectually dishonest post. Trump's plans are to phase out FEMA, not phase out aid.

1. So you've seen the Trump plan? Please send us a link. I have not seen it.

2. I'm very interested in understanding how Trump will phase out FEMA but not phase out aid. Who will conduct planning at the national level? Who will review state plans? Who will coordinate after action reports to states? Who will coordinate the efforts of national organizations such as the Red Cross or St. Vincent de Paul? There are many.

3. Who will develop the acceptable standards in all stages of disaster planning, mitigation and response? Who will measure the effectiveness of each for each state?

4. Who will develop and review the criteria for determining the allocation of federal funding? When a disaster occurs response timelines are critical and they must be standardized and adhered to. If state X get's wacked big time one hell of a lot of people will be without shelter, food, medication, clothing, more things than I ever realized. People in dire need cannot wait for life sustaining support. If they have to wait for approval on President Trump's timeline - assuming he has one - it could be weeks! People will die needlessly.

I'm just scratching the surface. There are soooooo many things that must be addressed. Please send Trump's plan. I can't find it.

5. What is your state plan? I can tell you that Arizona's State Plan has been classified for several years now. It wasn't until 911. Look at your state plan and see how it would work without FEMA.

FEMA has performed very poorly.

6. COMPARED TO WHAT? That is a big question. Your response will be interesting.

As the victims of the hurricane in North Carolina.

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After FEMA is phased out, rather than DC bureaucrats dispersing aid, the money will go directly to the affected states and state and local governments will disperse it.

How is that going to work? Who will determine what financial support a state receives? What will the criteria be? Who will determine the criteria?

Look, I performed grunt work. I attended all the meetings and trainings. I worked where they needed me. I learned a lot. FEMA and all involved impressed the hell out of me. State level people were awesome.

During and after the disasters the hours and work were often brutal but those people kept at it day and night and weekends. It was an honor to work beside them. I saw and learned things I'll never forget. Hard decisions were made by dedicated professionals. So you tell me FEMA performed poorly. In what instances and when? How do you know where the performance was performed poorly?

 

[Threegoofs]

So you tell me FEMA performed poorly. In what instances and when? How do you know where the performance was performed poorly?

I'm pretty sure he's just trolling for attention.

Getting into ignorable territory.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Hey Southerners in southern states. I told you guys you were going to be ****ed.

You wouldn't listen.

 

[mike2810]

Intellectually dishonest post. Trump's plans are to phase out FEMA, not phase out aid. FEMA has performed very poorly. As the victims of the hurricane in North Carolina. After FEMA is phased out, rather than DC bureaucrats dispersing aid, the money will go directly to the affected states and state and local governments will disperse it.

Under this type of plan who in the federal govt. will ensure the States are distributing and using the funds as intended?

This reminds me of the same approach the first Trump administration took when covid began to expand. At first the States had to find for themselves to find additional PPE and other needed medical supplies. Rich states could out bid poorer States. Eventually the feds had to take over and make the distribution more logical and fairer.

 

[Roadvirus]

FEMA is the central planning organization that coordinates interstate aid and contracts and makes sure people get paid and contracts are in place ahead of time.

You think those linemen from across the country just show up out of goodwill?



Man, this is going to be really funny to watch when Florida takes a hurricane in the face and no one shows up to turn the power back on because Dementia Donnie dismantled FEMA and none of the other states are willing to go in and do work because there’s no guarantee they’re going to get paid.

Like every other agency/org he & his pill-popping fool Mush have hacked up (or tried) or shut down completely (or tried), he doesn't fully understand all that they do. All he cares about is putting another √ on his Project 2025 chart and damn the consequences.

 

[TamleeB]

If the Republicans use FEMA for their death camps some Republicans might remember their projections about FEMA. So they will come up with a new name.

“Death camps”?

 

[Roadvirus]

Under this type of plan who in the federal govt. will ensure the States are distributing and using the funds as intended?

Considering the track record of Trump Term 2.0? Highly likely another unqualified moron who would screw up being "the bank" while playing Monopoly.

 

[Roadvirus]

“Death camps”?

An old conspiracy theory.

 

[TamleeB]

An old conspiracy theory.

Yet another failure on their part.

 

[Michael Cole]

This is amazing.

If the forest catches fire, states get nothing. If a car is set on fire, states get 4,000 NG troops and 700 marines. Simply amazing.

What would Trump do if protesters started a car on fire in the forest? Would the marines be armed with rakes?

 

[stealthycat]

You think this is about sTaTeS rIgHtS lmao, lemme tell you something, disaster-prone red states don't actually want this. They can't handle the responses on their own.

GOP Senator Begs for Disaster Aid as FEMA Snubs Another Red State

Sen. Josh Hawley begged Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to help approve FEMA aid for Missouri, after deadly tornadoes struck the state.

www.rollingstone.com

I imagine they do want to continue getting hundreds of millions - its a cash cow for sure

 

[Hamish Howl]

Well, it's a good thing there won't be any hurricanes in 2026.

You know, right before the midterms.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I imagine they do want to continue getting hundreds of millions - its a cash cow for sure

So your argument is that red states turn a profit on natural disasters?