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Trump reveals how he would force Mexico to pay for border wall

Lets see, blackmail one of our largest trading partners in the world...yeah that will work....

How many people would lose their jobs? How many industries would shut down.

Typical Trump non-thinking baloney.
 
PeteEU said:
Any economy runs on trust. If Trump could stop outflows of private citizens of a country for political purposes then what would stop him doing it against anyone that pisses him off? And we are not talking about a small economy or small number of people.. we talking about millions of people and billions of dollars each month. Oh lets not forget it could also effect American companies who have factories in Mexico.. but hey shh about that.

Point is the trust aspect. It might happen, but I will admit that the chances are slim simply because Trump most likely legally cant do it. But it is scary as hell that a man who wants the top job in the world is willing to do this, use nukes and ban a whole religion from a country......
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PeteEU makes a very valid point. People need to read the Federalist Papers (#2-7; but in particular #4-6) on this matter. They deal moreso with war making, but the point made in each is nations have gone to war throughout history for no other reason than the pride, ego and vanity of its nation's ruler. So, if Donald Trump is willing to try and put an economic strangle hold on Mexico just so that country would finance the building of a wall along our southern border that ultimately HE wants, what makes you think he wouldn't go all spastic against any other country whenever that country's ruler pisses him off?

If this memo is any indication of how Donald Trump would handle foreign affairs, WE AFRAID...BE VERY AFRAID of a Trump presidency.
 
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Peter King said:
Kasich, has signed 16 anti-abortion laws into law

Kasich has signed a law that cuts off public funding to rape crisis centers if they council women about abortion

Those things alone me doubt his good guy status, but that is just me.

Cruz IMO is not that decent a man, decent men at least have some friends/bystanders. And from what we know, he is not safe on the senate floor ;)

And you are right, Trump is cuckoo.
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Would resonate with me if I voted for candidates or held an opinion of candidates based on the subject of abortion. But since I don't, I don't really care about Kasich's record on abortion. There are thousands of issues that are far more important to me.

Cruz is a decent man. He has no friends because he does **** his own way. I'm not a fan of what he does on the floor, but that's Cruz.

Trump's beyond cuckoo. Eccentric people are cuckoo. Trump's a menace to society.
 
Cardinal said:
Wha...? What does he plan on doing? Intercepting all the mail that goes into Mexico?

Oh who the **** am I kidding? His supporters argue in favor of internment camps for Muslims. Intercepting all the mail and taking money from it is nothing for them.
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Why? You've been stealing our money for four decades.

Can't stand Trump, but he's a Democrat in disguise. He's the epitome.
 
Casca XV said:
The US gives about $750 million in foreign aid to Mexico every year. Holding that back would pay for the wall in 3 to 5 years. Permanently holding it back would cover the cost of the troops on the border.
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lol... We can barely build a commuter train station in Manhattan for $4 billion. The idea that we can build 3000 miles of fencing for that amount, or patrol it for $750m a year, is laughable. Almost as amusing as realizing that the cartels will tunnel right under it in hundreds of locations in 6 months or less.
 
Erod said:
Why? You've been stealing our money for four decades.

Can't stand Trump, but he's a Democrat in disguise. He's the epitome.
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Trump has claimed to be everything. I can't believe anyone is still taking anything he says at face value.
 
PeteEU said:
Any economy runs on trust. If Trump could stop outflows of private citizens of a country for political purposes then what would stop him doing it against anyone that pisses him off? And we are not talking about a small economy or small number of people.. we talking about millions of people and billions of dollars each month. Oh lets not forget it could also effect American companies who have factories in Mexico.. but hey shh about that.

Point is the trust aspect. It might happen, but I will admit that the chances are slim simply because Trump most likely legally cant do it. But it is scary as hell that a man who wants the top job in the world is willing to do this, use nukes and ban a whole religion from a country......
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74% of Mexico's exports wind up in the US. They cant afford a trade war with the US.

US exports to the Mexico are about 14% or so.
 
OpportunityCost said:
74% of Mexico's exports wind up in the US. They cant afford a trade war with the US.

US exports to the Mexico are about 14% or so.
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Exactly, and while I'm not Trump supporter, The US is one of only a few places on Earth that has a self sustaining economy if it had to be that way. Not saying we should of course, but something has to be done with all the massive trade imbalance.


Tim-
 
Cardinal said:
Trump has claimed to be everything. I can't believe anyone is still taking anything he says at face value.
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On that we can wholeheartedly agree. The man is an embarrassment.

I get that people are fed up with being lied to over and over and over. Empty promises led to this.

But him? Ted Cruz fits that bill (and I'm not a Cruz voter, per se.) Ben Carson fit it, too. But Donald Trump?

If this ends up being two lying and corrupt clown acts in Trump and Clinton, my faith in this country is severely shaken. We're headed into a downward spiral we'll never recover from.
 
Casca XV said:
The US gives about $750 million in foreign aid to Mexico every year. Holding that back would pay for the wall in 3 to 5 years. Permanently holding it back would cover the cost of the troops on the border.
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1. According to Trump's own I-Can-Do-Everything-Awesome math, the wall will cost about $8 Billion. So no, not 3-5 years, but 11 years.

2. That's irrelevant, however, because we don't get nearly that amount. As of 2013, for example, all countries combined gave Mexico only 560 million. We give about $200 million of that, and slightly less than half of that is military aid to help them combat the narco's. Meaning that the costs to the US would increase if we cut it.



So, in other words, if we decided to actually pay for building a wall by cutting out the portion of US aid to Mexico that doesn't already go to helping to secure our own borders, we would have to save it up for...

...about 67 years.
 
Hicup said:
Exactly, and while I'm not Trump supporter, The US is one of only a few places on Earth that has a self sustaining economy if it had to be that way. Not saying we should of course, but something has to be done with all the massive trade imbalance.
Tim-
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Enjoy it and hope it never ends?
 
Visbek said:
lol... We can barely build a commuter train station in Manhattan for $4 billion. The idea that we can build 3000 miles of fencing for that amount, or patrol it for $750m a year, is laughable. Almost as amusing as realizing that the cartels will tunnel right under it in hundreds of locations in 6 months or less.
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Without going too deep into it....

I think that you are overestimating how long that would take them.
 
Cardinal said:
Wha...? What does he plan on doing? Intercepting all the mail that goes into Mexico?

Oh who the **** am I kidding? His supporters argue in favor of internment camps for Muslims. Intercepting all the mail and taking money from it is nothing for them.
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You Traitorous Commie! If we don't start rounding up people based on their religious affiliation, we risk sharia law and losing our First Amendment Freedoms!



.... wait ....
 
cpwill said:
1. According to Trump's own I-Can-Do-Everything-Awesome math, the wall will cost about $8 Billion. So no, not 3-5 years, but 11 years.

2. That's irrelevant, however, because we don't get nearly that amount. As of 2013, for example, all countries combined gave Mexico only 560 million. We give about $200 million of that, and slightly less than half of that is military aid to help them combat the narco's. Meaning that the costs to the US would increase if we cut it.



So, in other words, if we decided to actually pay for building a wall by cutting out the portion of US aid to Mexico that doesn't already go to helping to secure our own borders, we would have to save it up for...

...about 67 years.
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Mexico Got More Money from Remittances Than from Oil Revenues in 2015 - NBC News

Taking 5% will take approximately 7 years to pay for it.
 
Cardinal said:
Wha...? What does he plan on doing? Intercepting all the mail that goes into Mexico?

Oh who the **** am I kidding? His supporters argue in favor of internment camps for Muslims. Intercepting all the mail and taking money from it is nothing for them.
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They don't MAIL it. Its done through wire transfers and cashier checks at check cashing places and banks. Its easily traceable and its easily taxable.
 
David_N said:
I have yet to see otherwise.
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Generalized insults to an entire group of people do not generally make for good debating. Discredits every point you have tried to make or will make in the future.

Harry Guerrilla said:
Trump would be on the edge of impeachment, just by being elected and I'm fairly certain that both parties would united to find a way to boot him out.
A Trump presidency is not a likely scenario.
What he could/would is immaterial to me.
His policies are dumb and he wouldn't last long trying to do them.
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This bothers me. Sure Trump's ideas are insulting at best but I still believe in Will of the People over the will of the DNC and RNC...
Establishments banning together to out someone the people put in place is pretty much like Jackie Chan saying that the Chinese people are too stupid to choose their own leadership.
I don't want us to become China.

Cardinal said:
Trump has claimed to be everything. I can't believe anyone is still taking anything he says at face value.
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And yet:
Polls 2016: Republican Nomination
Makes one shake their head.

OpportunityCost said:
74% of Mexico's exports wind up in the US. They cant afford a trade war with the US.
US exports to the Mexico are about 14% or so.
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This is a problem. It shows that leadership up to and including the current administration has no idea how to make deals.
 
Ntharotep said:
This is a problem. It shows that leadership up to and including the current administration has no idea how to make deals.
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Its really just logistics. Transporting from Canada and Mexico is easier and cheaper. There really isn't anything more to it.
 
Ntharotep said:
This bothers me. Sure Trump's ideas are insulting at best but I still believe in Will of the People over the will of the DNC and RNC...
Establishments banning together to out someone the people put in place is pretty much like Jackie Chan saying that the Chinese people are too stupid to choose their own leadership.
I don't want us to become China.
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I understand that, but then there's the "you don't go to the gardener, to get advice of how to perform surgery, you go to a surgeon."
The will of the people is sometimes very, very bad.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I understand that, but then there's the "you don't go to the gardener, to get advice of how to perform surgery, you go to a surgeon."
The will of the people is sometimes very, very bad.
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Well lately over 2/3 of our leadership, on both sides, are lawyers. That sure isn't working out.
 
Ntharotep said:
This bothers me. Sure Trump's ideas are insulting at best but I still believe in Will of the People over the will of the DNC and RNC...
Establishments banning together to out someone the people put in place is pretty much like Jackie Chan saying that the Chinese people are too stupid to choose their own leadership.
I don't want us to become China.
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The will of the people doesn't play into primaries since the parties are private organizations. For better or worse the party leadership is free to use any mechanism they want to select the nominee and would include putting in place rules that allow them to ignore the desires of the membership. Understandably the desire of the leadership is to select the candidate with the best possibility of winning the general election while the desires of most individuals in the membership is to see "their guy" make it to the general election regardless of how realistic his chances of winning are.

Since we're a two party system perhaps that shouldn't be the way it is...........
 
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