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Trump Please Shut Up About North Korea (1 Viewer)

Why won't the US government admit they lost the Vietnam war? Why won't the US government admit that it was their failure that led to ISIS's rise?

Because it would be a sign of weakness to their people. Dur.

But, North Korea is already admitting to "weakness" by caving to South Korea, so, they would have to deny that further to remain "strong". Honestly, someone should just ask them what led to the decision. As it stands Trump deserves minimal credit, since he hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before. Besides some hawkish posturing.
 
But, North Korea is already admitting to "weakness" by caving to South Korea, so, they would have to deny that further to remain "strong". Honestly, someone should just ask them what led to the decision. As it stands Trump deserves minimal credit, since he hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before. Besides some hawkish posturing.

Doesn't Trump deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, only his party is too effin stupid to realize their nomination was 3 months too late.
 
But, North Korea is already admitting to "weakness" by caving to South Korea, so, they would have to deny that further to remain "strong". Honestly, someone should just ask them what led to the decision. As it stands Trump deserves minimal credit, since he hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before. Besides some hawkish posturing.

Do their people think that the NK government caved? Or is the NK government telling them a different story?

And even if they admit that they are caving to SK. At least SK is like them and not "Imperialistic Capitalist America". That would probably be an easier pill to swallow than them caving to the US.
 
Trump couldn't negotiate himself out of a wet paper bag due to it being peed on. He's a legend in his own mind and those that are naive enough to believe in him.

Trump has spent his life negotiating deals and building a significant fortune from spotting opportunity and negotiating deals to exploit said opportunities. It’s called business.

It is this strength that had people believe in Trump.

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Obama proved to the world couldn't negotiate himself out of a wet paper bag due to it being peed on. He's a legend in his own mind and those of his followers. That there were so many who were naive enough to believe in him, is quite amazing, for Obama accomplished nothing, and negotiated some of the worst deals in American history.

I think Trump negotiated more deals in his early years as a businessman, than Obama has in his entire life. Obama is not exactly the neophyte you want running the country, and man did he prove that point perfectly.
 
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As I thought, the dismantling of DPRK's nuclear program, should it happen, will be no achievement of Donald J. Trump, as much as he would protest it is. Sorry, man, go back to taking credit for the stock market, so long as its rising.

And yet, North Korea's turnaround in attitude toward the US has come since Trump has been in office and after the two leaders exchanged sharp words last year. We won't know, of course, if this will be successful until after the big meeting of the leaders, but just the fact that it "appears" to be happening is a feather in Trump's hat, considering how all previous presidents have failed to get even this far. I still expect some grumbling from both sides, but perhaps Trump's bluff-calling last year actually got through to Kim. Or not.
 
I think they are feeding his ego.

For what purpose? And why is it that whenever a foreign leader gives credit to Trump, or says that Trump didn't actually do what the media portrayed him doing the fall back line is "they are feeding his ego" or some similar talking point? It's truly amazing that if some foreign national/leader says something not negative of Trump...they're just lying.
 
Do their people think that the NK government caved? Or is the NK government telling them a different story?

And even if they admit that they are caving to SK. At least SK is like them and not "Imperialistic Capitalist America". That would probably be an easier pill to swallow than them caving to the US.

I agree, that Kim would far an away prefer to concede to S.Korea than the guy who called him Little Rocket Man.

I just think the evidence points to it being the culmination of years of work done by Koreans and shifting public perception within South Korea.

Look at this from 2017:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4a194bbea625

South Korea's new, liberal president took office this year with a pledge to foster warmer ties with North Korea....

The South Korean government has made it clear that pursuing a dialogue has become a secondary part of the two-track policy. At an annual security forum on Thursday, Vice Foreign Minister Lim Sung-nam said, "The Korean government will do its utmost in close coordination with the international community so that every possible punitive measure can be taken."

Moon said his pursuit of tougher economic pressures on North Korea is a means to achieve a diplomatic and peaceful resolution — his two-track policy.

"I can say for sure that there will be no war on the Korean Peninsula again," Moon said Thursday in Vladivostok, Bloomberg News reported.

This shows that Moon ran on ending the war, and part of his mandate was achieving peace for his people, it's a big reason why he was elected.
 
I agree, that Kim would far an away prefer to concede to S.Korea than the guy who called him Little Rocket Man.

I just think the evidence points to it being the culmination of years of work done by Koreans and shifting public perception within South Korea.

Look at this from 2017:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4a194bbea625

This shows that Moon ran on ending the war, and part of his mandate was achieving peace for his people, it's a big reason why he was elected.

Yeah? No ones saying that Trump deserves FULL credit. Not even Trump is saying that. But he DOES deserve credit per SK themselves. And they're in far better a position to know than you or I.
 
Yeah? No ones saying that Trump deserves FULL credit. Not even Trump is saying that. But he DOES deserve credit per SK themselves. And they're in far better a position to know than you or I.

Would this have happened under Obama?

No.

He had 8-years and the NK Asshole became more belligerent. Which is normal when you have an inexperienced, cowardly ***** running the US.
 
If he successfully brokers this deal -- I'm guessing that he'll get it, however.

He should get it, but hope he doesn’t.

Obama, Arafat, Gore... would not want Trump to give credibility to that discredited “prize”.
 
Yeah? No ones saying that Trump deserves FULL credit. Not even Trump is saying that. But he DOES deserve credit per SK themselves. And they're in far better a position to know than you or I.

Trump deserves the same amount of credit as the rest of the internation community, UN, the UK, Putin, China, Japan, the EU, Germany, etc. But, you don't see those countries talking about Peace in Korea like it was some crowning achievement of theirs. That's what gets under my skin, no humility with Trump, no humility at all.
 
Would this have happened under Obama?

No.

He had 8-years and the NK Asshole became more belligerent. Which is normal when you have an inexperienced, cowardly ***** running the US.

What makes you think American politics is relevant to Korean politics, lol?
 
Unless the NKs give up their nukes and ICBMs the only winner here is NK. Guess what is Not going to happen............
 
Would this have happened under Obama?

No.

He had 8-years and the NK Asshole became more belligerent. Which is normal when you have an inexperienced, cowardly ***** running the US.

I've heard this sentiment before, and it may well have something to do with it. Some nations seem to respond to words and ideas, while others tend to respect only power. NK has gotten away with its bullying threats -- until Trump. Trump made it clear when Kim started spewing his rhetoric that the US would hit NK back -- much harder than they hit us. Kim's been toning it down ever since.

Not sure I believe peace will actually happen yet, but, if NK is blowing smoke -- at least they're blowing it in our direction.
 
He should get it, but hope he doesn’t.

Obama, Arafat, Gore... would not want Trump to give credibility to that discredited “prize”.

Good point. Once they gave it to Arafat, it really stopped meaning much.
 
What makes you think American politics is relevant to Korean politics, lol?

You actually believe the drivel you write?

You obviously have little understanding of the role the US plays there. Do you know how many troops we have had in that war zone for how many decades?

You realize the muscle behind SK is _________________________. (Fill in the blank)
 
Trump deserves the same amount of credit as the rest of the internation community, UN, the UK, Putin, China, Japan, the EU, Germany, etc. But, you don't see those countries talking about Peace in Korea like it was some crowning achievement of theirs. That's what gets under my skin, no humility with Trump, no humility at all.

Yeah, Trump has no humility. So what? Lots of people don't. And if Trump was the one that pushed Kim over the edge then I'd say he deserves the credit that SK is crediting him with. No one else pushed him over the edge. Decades of past Presidents, and past foreign leaders did not push Kim over the edge needed for peace talks. Trump did. It's no different than Obama claiming credit for getting us out of the recession when the only way to go was up in the first place. Obama pushed us over the edge into recovery. Trump pushed Kim over the edge into peace talks.
 
Yeah, Trump has no humility. So what? Lots of people don't. And if Trump was the one that pushed Kim over the edge then I'd say he deserves the credit that SK is crediting him with. No one else pushed him over the edge. Decades of past Presidents, and past foreign leaders did not push Kim over the edge needed for peace talks. Trump did. It's no different than Obama claiming credit for getting us out of the recession when the only way to go was up in the first place. Obama pushed us over the edge into recovery. Trump pushed Kim over the edge into peace talks.

It's possible. I'll wait for it to shake out, but, if the evidence overwhelmingly points to Trump being the catalyst, I will personally make a thread saying I was wrong and you were right.
 
It's possible. I'll wait for it to shake out, but, if the evidence overwhelmingly points to Trump being the catalyst, I will personally make a thread saying I was wrong and you were right.

No need for that.

Besides, its quite possible that peace talks will fail. In which case Trump gets that credit also. ;)
 

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