Trump orders stoppage of huge wind energy project.

[longview]

Preference for polluting ones that make the fossil fuel industry billions.

The demand for what fossil fuels provide will be there regardless of what the government does.
The reality is that alternative energy sources are not ready to replace fossil fuels in many applications,
and you cannot regulate away the laws of physics.
The oil companies already have a path beyond fossil fuels, by creating carbon neutral hydrocarbon fuels, as an energy storage device.
They are doing this because they know it will be a long time until another storage device (Battery) can take a
passenger jet across the oceans.

 

[Craig234]

The demand for what fossil fuels provide will be there regardless of what the government does.

Nit only fossil fuels provide it.

The reality is that alternative energy sources are not ready to replace fossil fuels in many applications,

Doesn't matter to the issue of whether we should do all we can to use alternative energy sources. trump is a corrupt sellout for fossil fuel profits.

 

[BabaVoss]

Trump is effing up everything, just because he thinks he can.

 

[longview]

Nit only fossil fuels provide it.



Doesn't matter to the issue of whether we should do all we can to use alternative energy sources. trump is a corrupt sellout for fossil fuel profits.

Tell me what other Energy storage device , can supply the energy needed to move a passenger jet across the Pacific Ocean?
Why do you think we should be doing all we can to use alternative energy?

 

[Deuce]

Weird that right wingers aren't touching oil subsidies

 

[longview]

Weird that right wingers aren't touching oil subsidies

Get rid of any actual subsidies the oil companies receive, can you name any?
Most of what they call subsidies are tax deductions, which are a fraction of conducting business.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Get rid of any actual subsidies the oil companies receive, can you name any?
Most of what they call subsidies are tax deductions, which are a fraction of conducting business.

Face it. He has been told the facts time and again, but he will just repeat the propaganda.

 

[multivita-man]

What Trump stops, he restarts. Probably because someone told him that renewables aren't just unicorns but, in fact, additional energy added to the overall grid.

Trump administration allows Empire Wind project to restart construction

Empire Wind, an offshore wind power facility that would supply electricity to New York, would be constructed about 20 miles offshore of Long Branch.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Deuce]

Get rid of any actual subsidies the oil companies receive, can you name any?
Most of what they call subsidies are tax deductions, which are a fraction of conducting business.

A special tax break that other businesses do not get is not materially different from a subsidy.

 

[longview]

A special tax break that other businesses do not get is not materially different from a subsidy.

All businesses get industry related tax deductions,
That does not make those deductions subsidies just justifiable costs of doing business.

 

[George50]

Wind in general and offshore wind in particular has issues providing dispatchable electricity at a price low enough to be competitive with other sources.
Avangrid asks to renegotiate contract prices for Mass. offshore wind project
Let's look for a second at what Avangrid says is not enough of a price guarantee to allow the project to continue?

Their starting expected power purchase agreement PPA, guarantees them a price of $47.68 + $11.92 ($59.6) per MWh.
But this amount and the built in increases would not be enough.

We need to think about where a ~$60 per MWh wholesale price fits in with say the NY supply. PJM Western is for NY.
U.S. wholesale electricity prices were lower and less volatile in 2024
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Of course nothing you say here has anything to do with Trump canceling the project. Trump has hated wind energy ever since he had a run in with the Scottish government. Trump has a golf course there and they wanted to build a wind farm that could be seen from the golf course. Trump thought it would spoil the view so he sued. He lost the suit and to add insult to injury they made him pay the government’s court costs. Ever since he’s wanted to get revenge by attacking wind power.

 

[longview]

Of course nothing you say here has anything to do with Trump canceling the project. Trump has hated wind energy ever since he had a run in with the Scottish government. Trump has a golf course there and they wanted to build a wind farm that could be seen from the golf course. Trump thought it would spoil the view so he sued. He lost the suit and to add insult to injury they made him pay the government’s court costs. Ever since he’s wanted to get revenge by attacking wind power.

Wind power costs more than claimed, and seems to not survive much beyond its subsidies!

 

[George50]

Wind power costs more than claimed, and seems to not survive much beyond its subsidies!

Perhaps so, but as I said that has nothing to do with why Trump canceled the project. He just hates wind power period because he doesn’t like the view of the wind farm offshore from his Scottish golf course and the fact that he lost the lawsuit to stop it from being built.

Can you imagine it? Trump wanting to get revenge? I can’t believe he would ever want to do that!

 

[longview]

Perhaps so, but as I said that has nothing to do with why Trump canceled the project. He just hates wind power period because he doesn’t like the view of the wind farm offshore from his Scottish golf course and the fact that he lost the lawsuit to stop it from being built.

Can you imagine it? Trump wanting to get revenge? I can’t believe he would ever want to do that!

Your opinion is noted!

 

[CLAX1911]

Looking at the system (over the long term) the levelised co$t$ (i.e. "bottomline") tells me,... grid scale wind and mechanical batteries, is the best bang for the buck (and the environment)

https://www.qnetic.energy/lcos

It's clever I'm not sure it's viable. Doesn't really seem like ground breaking tech.

 

[Buster Keaton]

Climate Change is another grift

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2024/07/11/useless_wind_power_1043988.html

Why Wind Power Is Useless​

By Norman Rogers
July 11, 2024

Renewable electricity, mostly wind power, is useless in every dimension. It is extremely expensive but is made to look cheap by hiding an 80% subsidy. It is an exorbitantly expensive method for reducing CO2 emissions. Industry lobbyists and sinister environmental organizations, like the Sierra Club, have manipulated public policy to milk taxpayers and electricity users for billions.

 

[multivita-man]

Wind power costs more than claimed, and seems to not survive much beyond its subsidies!

Who cares, it's extra energy. Plus, getting the raw materials out of the ground and converting it to energy involves more 'knowns' than with fossil fuels.

Just so we're clear, yes, fossil fuels are likely superior as an energy source in that they're easily more energy-dense. Their uses are many. I don't subscribe to the idea that renewables are going to replace fossil fuels, and I don't even think they're necessarily the ecological savior as advertised, but alternative energy should now emphasize the energy part as much as the alternative part.

It makes absolutely no sense to scrap the many millions and billions of dollars of claims on the future, which have been invested into something that we need (energy), just to take a ridiculous ideological stand.

 

[longview]

Who cares, it's extra energy. Plus, getting the raw materials out of the ground and converting it to energy involves more 'knowns' than with fossil fuels.

Just so we're clear, yes, fossil fuels are likely superior as an energy source in that they're easily more energy-dense. Their uses are many. I don't subscribe to the idea that renewables are going to replace fossil fuels, and I don't even think they're necessarily the ecological savior as advertised, but alternative energy should now emphasize the energy part as much as the alternative part.

It makes absolutely no sense to scrap the many millions and billions of dollars of claims on the future, which have been invested into something that we need (energy), just to take a ridiculous ideological stand.

Non dispatchable energy requires massive storage to be viable, and those costs have to be counted also!

 

[Steve Case]

Who cares, it's extra energy. Plus, getting the raw materials out of the ground and converting it to energy involves more 'knowns' than with fossil fuels.

Just so we're clear, yes, fossil fuels are likely superior as an energy source in that they're easily more energy-dense. Their uses are many. I don't subscribe to the idea that renewables are going to replace fossil fuels, and I don't even think they're necessarily the ecological savior as advertised, but alternative energy should now emphasize the energy part as much as the alternative part.

It makes absolutely no sense to scrap the many millions and billions of dollars of claims on the future, which have been invested into something that we need (energy), just to take a ridiculous ideological stand.

You wrote:

It makes absolutely no sense to scrap the many millions and billions of dollars of claims on the future, which have been invested into something that we need (energy), just to take a ridiculous ideological stand.

The concept of attrition should be applied. Old ships, aircraft, mines, computers, etc.
are routinely scrapped & abandoned when they are no longer useful or profitable.