Trump Launches War On Iran

[Napoleon]

For us! History has proven this.

Iran here, is calling Trump back to the table. If Trump's smart, he'll accept. He can even go in and play the hero he always wants to be.

Not for us. Iran tried to kill him, remember? Trump isnt going to listen to any of their lip service.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Given the enthusiastic US support for the utterly vicious Salvadorian juntas of years past, it doesn’t seem likely anything will.

Ways and means, dude, ways and means.

The Democrats don’t have the spine to be seen as “mean” to Republicans.

No lies detected.

Obama didn’t even close down Guantanamo after all the torture reports came out.

True, true.

 

[Chomsky]

Israel never signed on to the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons treaty, as 191 other 'states' had. Israel wanted to remain obscure in their nuclear weapons program in an attempt to deter threats from countries like Iran and others in the area. It's widely believed that Israel has nuclear weapons.

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel has an arsenal of around 90 nuclear warheads. Iran knows this too, of course. Trump's bombing of Iran's nuclear sites may actually propel Iran to develop their uranium enrichment program even faster now. Iran's officials were in Geneva working through discussions and negotiations about drawing back on their nuclear enrichment. The United States did not have a physical representative at the Geneva caucus. The US was kept informed and engaged through diplomatic channels, with Secretary Rubio and Steve Witkoff involved in discussions with European counterparts. Could anyone explain how it is showing 'good faith' by the U.S. not physically being represented for these discussions?

Updated: Jun 20, 2025 4:03 PM ET

European Leaders Seek Diplomacy in Talks With Iran as Trump Weighs Strike​

https://time.com/7296249/iran-israel-europe-talks/
U.K. Foreign Secretary David Lammy said ahead of the meeting in Geneva, Switzerland, that a “window now exists” to end the crisis.

After the talks concluded with no apparent breakthrough, Lammy said European ministers were “keen to continue ongoing discussions and negotiations with Iran,” and urged the country to continue talks with the U.S.
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U.K. Foreign Secretary David Lammy said ahead of the meeting in Geneva, Switzerland, that a “window now exists” to end the crisis.

After the talks concluded with no apparent breakthrough, Lammy said European ministers were “keen to continue ongoing discussions and negotiations with Iran,” and urged the country to continue talks with the U.S.

Yes. These actions may actually hasten Iran's adoption of nuclear missiles. As long as they are aligned with Putin & Xi, there is that possibility.

 

[Tigerace117]

Ways and means, dude, ways and means.

No lies detected.

True, true.

It says a lot Bukele is actually somewhat better than the thugs who preceded him.....or at least less openly sadistic, anyway.

Odds are the Democrats will probably just do their best to ignore the camps and hope they go away on their own, and the people stuck there will be left trying to figure out how to get out of El Salvador on their own.....assuming, of course, that the Salvadorians don’t just dump them somewhere else entirely.

 

[Hamish Howl]

There is no table.

PREACH.

I get sick of people jabbering about the "table" with respect to Ukraine/Russia. There is no table.

The world order changed 11 years ago and nobody wants to face that fact. It's like the dems trying to get the GOP to see reason. They don't need reason, they have Trump and, again, there is no table.

 

[Chomsky]

They also tried to hit Doha, but ran into our air defense.

This isn't going Iran's way.

I'm going to argue this is exactly what Iran hoped would occur.

Iran doesn't want a shooting war with the U.S. They want the U.S. out of the situation militarily, or tied-up in negotiations with them.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It says a lot Bukele is actually somewhat better than the thugs who preceded him.....or at least less openly sadistic, anyway.

What a lot of petty tyrants here and elsewhere do not realize is that the rules in this area have ALSO changed.

Not endorsing this, just stating a fact: Spiderweb changed everything. Nobody is safe.

And admit it. You want to see Stephen Miller wearing himself out fleeing from a half a dozen FPV drones.

 

[Chomsky]

The US achieved their objectives, Iran launched a relatively modest retaliation that didn't do any damage.

Now would be the time for the US to step back and let Israel carry on blowing shit up.

Exactly!

But Trump has already threatened to escalate if Iran retaliated so he's kind of trapped himself.

Yep.

 

[Lursa]

Your posts stricken with fear have surrendered to terrorism and their controllers in Iran and elsewhere in the ME.

This is despite your post reminding us of how evil and sinister are these ayatollahs in Iran whose malevolent operatives roam undetected.

Your trembling hands post reminds us these malicious murderers from top to bottom need to be disabled permanently. Your posts are contradictory however as you run away from the challenge of confronting 'em and taking 'em out. Your posts have no stomach for that. Your posts say to surrender to terrorism and their controllers abroad. Your posts insist on behaving as the ayatollahs demand of us.

Which makes your posts a disaster zone for the USA and the West. Next thing we'd know you'd be a radical Muslim.

Anything to please and mollify the cruel and vicious ayatollahs.

You should try to get a hold of your emotions...these times are stressful and you obviously are allowing yourself to fall prey to things you cannot control. (Including my posts )

If you could please restrict your posts to the actual subject and then directly address what's written with realistic debate, and not make it about me, that would be great. If you cant, dont expect your drama and fantasies to be fed...however you may exercise that on your own all you like.

 

[Tigerace117]

What a lot of petty tyrants here and elsewhere do not realize is that the rules in this area have ALSO changed.

Not endorsing this, just stating a fact: Spiderweb changed everything. Nobody is safe.

And admit it. You want to see Stephen Miller wearing himself out fleeing from a half a dozen FPV drones.

Bukele’s predecessors likely would have had the Atlacatl Battalion, Reagan’s favorite death squad, machine gun everyone and call it a day.

It would be rather amusing....or at least, it would be if Trump wouldn’t just use that as an excuse to put Marines on every street corner, and those guys wind wind up shooting a half a dozen people a week in accidents because they aren’t trained or suited for law enforcement.

 

[anatta]

Perhaps on DP, MAGA is more reasonable? I dunno.

But like I said, go take a look at the public comment areas of MAGA sites - even Fox News. Take a look now, if you don't believe me? MAGA Pacifism is gone. I'm sure we'll see this reflected in upcoming polling.

there is a difference between neocons/pacifism/ and warmongering. Basically airstrikes are allowed by MAGA, but no boots, and no insertion into foreign civil war. (Iraq/Libya/Afghan/Syria)..IOW we don't are about taking out Iranian nuke sites and rocket launchers which are exigent threats. One can even talk up regime change - but it can't be a policy. One can defend US bases as well - but the smart move would be to get them out of the ME

 

[Hamish Howl]

It would be rather amusing....or at least, it would be if Trump wouldn’t just use that as an excuse to put Marines on every street corner, and those guys wind wind up shooting a half a dozen people a week in accidents because they aren’t trained or suited for law enforcement.

Wouldn't help Miller, tho.

 

[ClaraD]

Is it President Gabbard? Nope.

Of course, if she'd been the lone voice in favor of the attack, that's what you'd be calling Trump.
Is that the official standing of the United States, that Iran is not working towards a nuclear weapon? Again, nope.

You foolishly want to pick out minority opinions and isolated information in your quest to mislead and misinform, right out of the leftist playbook.
I told you, I know your tactics better than you do.

Minority opinion? It was everyone but Trump’s opinion

 

[Hamish Howl]

there is a difference between neocons/pacifism/ and warmongering. Basically airstrikes are allowed by MAGA, but no boots, and no insertion into foreign civil war. (Iraq/Libya/Afghan/Syria)..IOW we don't are about taking out Iranian nuke sites and rocket launchers which are exigent threats. One can even talk up regime change - but it can't be a policy

You have been served...by Trump.

 

[Chomsky]

I believe Iran can not have access to nuclear weapons and also believe they were close enough to access to them to be of concern. So I am not against using this excuse Israel presents as a reason to knock out their capability.

I think we may have put a serious dent in it.

The question becomes do we extricate ourselves with the objective met or is Trump actually looking to use a war to bolster a weakening position in the Oval?

The strategic objectives have been met, from where I'm sitting.

It now comes to whether Trump wants to embark on Neoconic nation building, throwing his Presidency away - as other foolish Presidents have done.

 

[eohrnberger]

Trump doesn't care about our military in overseas bases, he doesn't care about civilians living in Iran. I believe he would put our military in harm's way intentionally so he can thrust the U.S. directly into war with Iran. People are only numbers on a piece of paper to him.

CT forums are ==>> That'a way.

 

[trixare4kids]

Firstly, Iran let Qatar know they were only attacking U.S. targets within their country.

As to the "long game", Iran did a very calculated and proportional attack. It was a statement, less than an attack. It's clear to me Iran wants the U.S. to stay out of their war with Israel, and are trying to effect that goal. I'm sure Trump is being informed Iran held back in their response.

I wouldn't want to be in Trump's shoes. The right thing to do of course is TACO, and re-open negotiations. But can he take such an ego hit? Like he earlier did in his first term? Again, slapped by Khamenei?

Iran was saving face with these symbolic attacks knowing they probably wouldn't land a real punch. I doubt they'll be more coming from them.

Absent tangible losses for us, there is no need for more US aggression. Let them pretend they really got us this time.

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, the Deep State trying to make policy and run the country behind the scenes is real.
What's fake is your narrative that it's some paranoid delusion

Is Elvis involved?

 

[Chomsky]

There's a saying, 'If you're not seated at the table, you're probably on the menu'.

The U.S. needs to get some men that know what political negotiating actually means before anyone meets with Iran and other nations in talks.

Wow. That's actually quite good!

 

[ClaraD]

1. Cyberattacks are not limited to "shutting down the internet". In the case of stuxnet, it was physical destruction of a nuclear facility.

2. And they can indeed kill babies, and other civilian populations as well.

They can yes…simply launching a cyber attack not so much

 

[Lursa]

It's the TACO 2-Step...he's embarrassed over the truth in the TACO nickname, he was embarrassed by the weak (and unfair) showing by our military in the parade last Sat, and further humiliated by the media and talk show hosts mocking him and his 2 week safety net.

 

[Jredbaron96]

JD Vance (VP) has said the US is not at war with Iran. We are at war with Iran's nuclear program.
I find that interesting statement. Not sure how one can be at war with a program without being at war with the Iran and its people.

I'm late to the party with this, but this sort of drives some why I don't think Vance would be a good choice for 2028.

 

[anatta]

Whoa!

Now it will be seen what Trump's response will be? He gave Iran an ultimatum not to counterattack, or he will respond with even more force than the bombing raid.

I just saw the latest. Yes I think Trump has to go back in and defend the bases....I have said repeatedly we should not have a presence there
Trump wanted us out of Syria -Congress went nuts. But we need to get out as what good are land forces? Sure we can keep naval and airbases

 

[Lursa]

Wow. That's actually quite good!

x2

 

[Tigerace117]

Wouldn't help Miller, tho.

On a side note, reading about the Atlacatl Battalion alone is enough to make you totally lose faith in humanity. What they did in El Mozote is, like......Dirlewanger level bad.

And the US backed them all the way.