Trump Launches War On Iran

[L88]

Thank you . . . I think.

But yeah - Israel is likely the only nuclear power in the region.

Iran is in the region. No matter what you want to believe they are a nuclear power led by religion.

 

[sanman]

Are you aware who Scott Ridder is, what he's about, and his criminal history and support for Russia?

I can't believe anyone would use him as a source for anything.

Nonsense - everybody who opposed the Cold War Deep State policy on Russia gets called a criminal.
That's why Trump was almost killed a year ago -- twice, thru 2 attempts -- because he opposed the Cold War Deep State policy on Russia.

 

[L88]

I wouldn't doubt it.

Oil prices going . . . up . . . up . . . up . . .

Speculation on investors. They just want their cash and wealth creation to flow without religious extremism.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Trumps now talking regime change

Well, that becomes an entirely different and a much messier proposition. Poor JD gets left holding the bag after saying on Meet the Press that the administration position was they don't want regime change. Now as for Donnie Boy's social media post, did I miss the memo on "regime change" not being politically correct?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I disagree. After Iran the American people, at a minimum Congress, needs to understand that the facts support entering into a military operation that may lead to war.

Iran is defeated.

They have no air or naval capabilities left.

Unless someone was stupid enough to invade, and no one is, the chance of war is virtually zero.

Trump just trumped not only Iran, but America's Hamas - the democrats.

 

[L88]

There are many good reasons to attack Iran, but Trump does not have the Constitutional authority to start an offensive war against Iran without Congressional approval. The fact that Iran funds the Houthis does not matter. There is no exception in our legal system that allows Trump to start a war with a state like Iran for the actions of a separate political or terrorist group. What Trump is doing is unconstitutional. He should be impeached and removed from office. If you believe in the Constitution you will not support starting a war against Iran without Congressional approval. This is a decision for Congress to make, not the President. That's what it says in the Constitution.

It's not a war. He hasn't done anything that Biden hasn't done. Or Obama. Or Bush. Or Clinton.

 

[Napoleon]

No doubt we have the best pilots and military equipment.

With our military budget, we should.

I’m in awe of what they accomplished - I’m just still struggling to understand what was actually achieved/accomplished.

Enriching uranium is the bulk of the work in a nuclear weapons program. It’s also the easiest and most essential step. If you don’t have that then you have nothing. As far as I can tell, we’ve succeeded in destroying the surface entrances to their uranium enrichment facilities. So their nuclear weapons program is effectively on hold.

 

[L88]

That's what they said about Vietnam in the 1950s.

Sorry. I don't recall that statement by anyone.

 

[Sabre]

But you are completely aware of what I'm referring to so don't waste my time about how Democrats "now suddenly yada yada". Trump literally ran on no more wars and insisting a Dem potus goes to war. I"m not part of the cult, I don't have to memory hole this stuff.

"how Democrats "now suddenly yada yada". never said that either. Glad to hear neither one of us is in a cult.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Apparently, the stupid Ayatollah continued to believe Trump would never do what he did. He miscalculated and Trump capitalized on that mistake.
Observing Iran's terroristic behavior for almost 50 years, it appeared that attacking their facilities was the only way to stop their threatening behavior.

Obama and John Kerry were assuring the Mullahs that their corrupt seditionist judges would stop any action by Trump.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Well, that becomes an entirely different proposition and a much messier one. Poor JD gets left holding the bag after saying on Meet the Press that the administration position was they don't want regime change. Now as for Donnie Boy's social media post, did I miss the memo on "regime change" not being politically correct?

The great faithful will begin telling us regime change was always the plan and this isn’t a war. That’s how they get around accusations that Trump started a new war - simply don’t call it a war. Mission accomplished.

 

[L88]

No doubt we have the best pilots and military equipment.

With our military budget, we should.

I’m in awe of what they accomplished - I’m just still struggling to understand what was actually achieved/accomplished.

Set back their nuclear weapon capabilities for as long as 30 years. Longer if middle east leaders step in and guide a new government.

 

[The Brad Dad]

"how Democrats "now suddenly yada yada". never said that either. Glad to hear neither one of us is in a cult.

You did say that. Happy to hear you’re not in a cult.

 

[Desert Storm]

No doubt we have the best pilots and military equipment.

With our military budget, we should.

I’m in awe of what they accomplished - I’m just still struggling to understand what was actually achieved/accomplished

Its real simple, if Iran really was trying to acquire nukes then Trump did a good thing.
If there never were any nukes (like Iraq's weapons of mass destruction), then Trump made a serious mistake.

The truth is, none of us on this forum know for sure.
It might be true, or it might all be a lie

 

[The Brad Dad]

Set back their nuclear weapon capabilities for as long as 30 years. Longer if middle east leaders step in and guide a new government.

How do you know? It’s incredible that you folks are running victory laps.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, the damage hasn’t been done yet. MAGA can pretend that every military incursion over the last 50 years or so ended pristinely but the rest of us who live on planet Earth and remember as far back as 20 whole years ago knows this isn’t over. Not by a long shot. Sorry, Iran isn’t Panama.

What exactly is Iran going to fight with?

You have no navy left, you have no airforce left, you have no ballistic missiles still functioning. Just how will your side wage war?

 

[BirdinHand]

Donald Trump kept your son safe from seeing a nuclear blast outside his window

As far as I can tell, we’ve succeeded in destroying the surface entrances to their uranium enrichment facilities. So their nuclear weapons program is effectively on hold

Set back their nuclear weapon capabilities for as long as 30 years. Longer if middle east leaders step in and guide a new government

I don’t share the confidence that you guys seem to have.

I guess time will tell what was actually accomplished and what comes next.

I think it is premature to be patting ourselves on the back and saying that this was a decisive victory and now Iran isn’t a threat for X years, etc.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[L88]

How do you know? It’s incredible that you folks are running victory laps.

Who's "you folks"?

If Biden had done this his folks would be having a drag queen party in the streets right now.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Its real simple, if Iran really was trying to acquire nukes then Trump did a good thing.
If there never were any nukes (like Iraq's weapons of mass destruction), then Trump made a serious mistake.

The truth is, none of us on this forum know for sure.
It might be true, or it might all be a lie

nobody ever knows anything "for sure"

but we must muddle along all the same with our imperfect knowledge (can't wait for that perfect knowledge which never comes)

the trick is to use the best information available to you at the time


the best info available to us atm, is from the USIC

 

[Uncensored2008]

How do you know? It’s incredible that you folks are running victory laps.

Well for one thing, your reaction - along with the rest of Hamas.

 

[Napoleon]

I don’t share the confidence that you guys seem to have.

I guess time will tell what was actually accomplished and what comes next.

I think it is premature to be patting ourselves on the back and saying that this was a decisive victory and now Iran isn’t a threat for X years, etc.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say this is decisive or that Iran has been neutralized. But halting their uranium enrichment, even if temporary, is a victory.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If Biden had done this his folks would be having a drag queen party in the streets right now.

YAY!

Stories about the hypothetical world of your imagination!

The land where no one has any principles and everyone runs on tribal fanaticism.

 

[The Brad Dad]

What exactly is Iran going to fight with?

You have no navy left, you have no airforce left, you have no ballistic missiles still functioning. Just how will your side wage war?

Iran was never a direct military threat to us, that’s a straw man you’re introducing. Iran will attack bases and kill soldiers. They’ll attack civilians. Maybe a few more 9/11s. But you hate Americans and our military so I imagine all the blood shed will be like Christmas

 

[Chomsky]

Alright, I suspect you know more about this stuff than I, but I'd like to get some resolution.

Le sigh. I’ll try to explain this simply for those who aren’t familiar with the science. Iran has enriched uranium. That is what these facilities do because you can’t just throw rocks into a nuclear reactor. The radioactivity of uranium is very minor until it is used as fuel in one of Iran’s 5 nuclear reactors located elsewhere. Until then, you’re not going to detect it over background radiation because it’s such a common element. It’s everywhere. Hell, we’ve been making glassware and jewelry with it since the 18th century.

My understanding is highly enriched uranium (90%+) is bomb material. Is it not?

And is the highly enriched stuff not detectable?

But it becomes extremely radioactive when you bombard it with neutrons in a reactor. The highly desired byproduct of this - for a nuclear weapons program - is plutonium. We don’t know where Iran is storing that but there is no doubt they have it.

Why are we assuming Iran is producing a Plutonium bomb? When not the seemingly easier Uranium bomb? The latter has been my assumption, as their first try. Plutonium wasn't even on my radar.

Very simple reasons.

1. Science.

2. They have 5 operational nuclear reactors. These require enriched uranium as fuel.

3. Iran has been completely transparent about what these facilities do, i.e. process and enrich uranium for nuclear fuel.

4. The plutonium being produced by the reactors hast to be going somewhere. Iran has spent decades modifying, designing, and manufacturing ballistic missiles for the purpose of delivering nuclear warheads. So I think we know what Iran intends to do with it.

If this is the case, then we would have to completely suspend Iran's (or anyone else's legit nuclear power program). Is this what you're saying?