Trump Launches War On Iran

[Chomsky]

So it's possible they dropped their bombs and a giant sea monster swallowed them up?

I doubt that's one of the assumed possibilities. Do you?

 

[CLAX1911]

I doubt that's one of the assumed possibilities. Do you?

I suppose it all could be a lie in there could actually not even be an Iran but assume that there is.

 

[eohrnberger]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5364198-israeli-idf-urges-evacuation-tehran/

Israel warns residents of Tehran to evacuate​

“Dear citizens of Tehran, in the coming days the Israeli army will continue its attacks against military targets in the Tehran region,” the IDF wrote in social media posts Monday, as translated from Iran’s official language Farsi. “To ensure your personal safety, we ask you to stay away from weapons production facilities, military headquarters, and security institutions affiliated with the regime.”

Hardly a surprise this coming from Israel. They've done this all along in Gaza as well.

 

[Chomsky]

Hardly 'unprovoked', given Iran's behavior in the region since Biden has taken office.
Again, who's giving you such foolish ideas?

Perhaps from your perspective. But I believe I may have captured the Iranian perspective.

 

[CLAX1911]

Perhaps from your perspective. But I believe I may have captured the Iranian perspective.

How do you know Iranians even exist and could all be a fabrication.

 

[Chomsky]

So there were no bombs there were no bombers and there was no nuclear facility is there even an Iran?

Yeah I think dropping bombs on our country probably something that weighs hard on you.

Oh, be sensible. You were presented with the facts. We may - or may not - find out more in a few days.

 

[CLAX1911]

Oh, be sensible.

You first.

You were presented with the facts. We may - or may not - find out more in a few days.

You didn't present me with any facts yours is essentially the flat Earth argument what if it's all fake.

That's what flat earthers say about the lunar eclipse.

 

[JANFU]

Because we have no idea what bunker monsters are capable of and how deep these underground facilities are and there's just no way of knowing that?

Do you know how difficult it would be to move uranium in the dead of night and not be seen by satellites?

Don't know what?

Where the 400 kg of uranium from Fordo went
Are you an expert on analyzing Sat Data?
Are you aware that vehicles 20 or 30 were used to move it
10 vehicles with the uranium was all they needed
Are you aware that Iran is not stupid and used identical vehicles to move it
A shell game was used.
Do I need to explain this. Hope not as I am a 1 finger typer

 

[Chomsky]

I suppose it all could be a lie in there could actually not even be an Iran but assume that there is.

Well CLAX1911, it's scenes like this - that is why we don't interact much.

 

[eohrnberger]

Trump! He's erratic.

Your sources, or perhaps you, are falsely making him out to be erratic. These last weeks clearly show him not to be.

 

[CLAX1911]

Where the 400 kg of uranium from Fordo went

Why does it need to go anywhere if it's buried under a thousands of tons of rubble what difference does it make?

Are you an expert on analyzing Sat Data?

I'm not the one saying it could all be fake.

Are you aware that vehicles 20 or 30 were used to move it
10 vehicles with the uranium was all they needed

Including shielding or does everyone just die of radiation poisoning being around it are we talking about yellow cake that's not really useful until it's refined?

Are you aware that Iran is not stupid and used identical vehicles to move it
A shell game was used.

So they knew how long beforehand that this bombing attack was going to occur?

Do I need to explain this. Hope not as I am a 1 finger typer

No I don't really need to hear your conspiracy theory. Typically the slightest pluck of a thread makes them fall apart.

 

[CLAX1911]

Well CLAX1911, it's scenes like this - that is why we don't interact much.

I don't blame you I'd avoid it too and if I was trying to push conspiracy theories and someone was mocking them and picking them apart.

Flat earthers avoid me too. Congratulations you share two things in common with them

 

[Chomsky]

You first.

You didn't present me with any facts yours is essentially the flat Earth argument what if it's all fake.

That's what flat earthers say about the lunar eclipse.

I presented you with one fact:

"We don't know"

And if you knew, you would have stated so.

 

[eohrnberger]

Why? That was the point of my post.

See above. Everyone knows what nukes can do. So we're back to...why would Iran need to if they can accomplish pretty much the same...without ensuring they get nuked back?

This then a question for Iran to answer as they've been hot for nuclear weapons and an ICBM delivery vehicle for decades now.
This obvious because of their public statements and actions.
Israel, not a large country, would be easily flattened by a handful of nukes delivered by ICBM.
Why do you think Iran wanted them both?

 

[CLAX1911]

I presented you with one fact:

"We don't know"

What don't we know?

And if you knew, you would have stated so.

Well it seems logical that uranium enrichment would happen at uranium enrichment sites. And it seems possible that given their ability to build bunkers that a bunker buster to follies of Bunker busters actually would penetrate it.

I doubt they had much forewarning about this attack. And probably couldn't logistically move a significant amount of enriched uranium.

So either everything to conspiracy or what happened happened.

 

[CharisRose]

not at all. a limited strike or engagement is not neocon regime change at the barrel of a gun. We are targeting Iran's nuclear program.
If Iran's collapses -fine -and sure we can talk it up. what we can't do is warlike policies targeted to effect regime change.
The reason we can't is they dont work. Countries populations do not like other nations determining their governments.
It doesn't work unless regime change is organic uprising by said countries population

Well said. Thanks!

 

[eohrnberger]

It seems to me Israel did a pretty good job of "defending itself", without us.

My position is there was no imminent need for us to jump in, too.

The deep underground nuclear weapons facility required the BGU-57, which only the US has, and only the US has bomber aircraft to deliver it on target.
It was pretty clear that the US needed to 'jump in' to deliver that to have the destruction of those facilities.

 

[HumblePi]

Your sources, or perhaps you, are falsely making him out to be erratic. These last weeks clearly show him not to be.

Did you read his post on Truth Social? Medvedev accused Trump of having “pushed the U.S. into another war” and suggested other countries would supply Iran with nuclear weapons—moments before Iran fired missiles at a U.S. military base in Qatar. But this was days ago, I even posted the comment on this forum two days ago. Trump is just reacting today, after the U.S. attack on Iran? Doesn't Trump have other things on his mind at the moment beside trolling a Russian official? Are you still going to deny that Trump is erratic and unstable?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Then the subject is beyond you.

Nope, just calling out the fantasy from reality.

 

[CLAX1911]

The deep underground nuclear weapons facility required the BGU-57, which only the US has, and only the US has bomber aircraft to deliver it on target.

But you never know those Iranians they're crafty and so well funded they might have felt the bunker to end all bunkers it may actually be in the mantle you don't know.

Lol

It was pretty clear that the US needed to 'jump in' to deliver that to have the destruction of those facilities.

But the Iranians could have been clairvoyant and known that they're bunker was going to be struck and scrambled to move some uranium they might still build a weapon anyway in which means we shouldn't bomb them because so they can have a weapon and use it to whatever extent they want our something.

 

[eohrnberger]

Did you read his post on Truth Social? Medvedev accused Trump of having “pushed the U.S. into another war” and suggested other countries would supply Iran with nuclear weapons—moments before Iran fired missiles at a U.S. military base in Qatar. But this was days ago, I even posted the comment on this forum two days ago. Trump is just reacting today, after the U.S. attack on Iran? Doesn't Trump have other things on his mind at the moment beside trolling a Russian official? Are you still going to deny that Trump is erratic and unstable?

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Do you think that warning off Russia and / or Medvedev is a bad thing?

I suppose that you think that encouraging Russia and / or Medvedev is the better thing to do, what he should have done?

 

[Ikari]

Oh, I agree.

But if Trump surgically bombs, seemingly ending both the ongoing nuke program and ongoing hostilities, why would he not be looked upon kindly?

It's possible, blind squirrel find the nut every once in awhile.

We'll have to see how this plays overall, but if Iran will come to heel and Israel can stop bombing Iran, it could be overall good.

 

[CLAX1911]

Did you read his post on Truth Social? Medvedev accused Trump of having “pushed the U.S. into another war” and suggested other countries would supply Iran with nuclear weapons—moments before Iran fired missiles at a U.S. military base in Qatar. But this was days ago, I even posted the comment on this forum two days ago. Trump is just reacting today, after the U.S. attack on Iran? Doesn't Trump have other things on his mind at the moment beside trolling a Russian official? Are you still going to deny that Trump is erratic and unstable?

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You're facing his emotional state on a social media post that you don't even know if he authored.

 

[JANFU]

Why does it need to go anywhere if it's buried under a thousands of tons of rubble what difference does it make?

I'm not the one saying it could all be fake.

Including shielding or does everyone just die of radiation poisoning being around it are we talking about yellow cake that's not really useful until it's refined?

So they knew how long beforehand that this bombing attack was going to occur?

No I don't really need to hear your conspiracy theory. Typically the slightest pluck of a thread makes them fall apart.

Fears over Iran’s missing 400kg of uranium

Iran claims to have smuggled almost all of the country’s highly enriched uranium to a secret location before the US launched strikes on its nuclear bases.

www.yahoo.com

 

[ElChupacabra]

Not too likely that the centrifuges survived. Fordow may not be permanently out of commission, but it is probably down for the near term.

No one can say that for certain.

North Korea's illegal nuclear program was enough for the entire world to slap them with harsh sanctions.

Sure, and did that stop them from obtaining them?

Iran was only bombed because Israel started bombing them. And North Korea is far enough away that Israel probably will not bomb them.

Is South Korea not an ally worth defending in this manner? I mean, they share a border unlike Iran and Israel.

If Israel was inclined to bomb North Korea, they would have bombed North Korea before they developed nukes.

But they didn't.

Israel bombed Iran's illegal nuclear program before they could build a working weapon.

Which as of right now makes more sense for Iran to do.