Trump is tied with Biden... in SOUTH CAROLINA!

[Paradoxical]

Well, they were right wing murderous fascists, but what's the diff, right?

Sounds good and they did have 'socialist' in their name, which means it's true, same way that since N. Korea's official name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea that like the U.S. N. Korea is a democratic republic! Bravo!

I gave links proving they were socialist mass murderers. Need me to re-post? Do you think people lie in their diaries?

 

[Paradoxical]

Based on his history....Trump probably thinks they were very fine people.

It is Biden, the DNC and the MSM who are emulating Hitler and Goebbels.

 

[Anagram]

Hard to put too much faith in the accuracy here - the polls in SC were some of the worst in 2016.

I wouldn't really say that. There were some close polls early in 2016, but down the stretch, the four polls taken had Trump +4, Trump +11, Trump +13, and Trump +15. He won by 14. One outlier there with the Winthrop poll, but overall not bad at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State..._the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

 

[Carolina]

Its a single poll. However, several polls have shown the race in SC 4-5 points away, so it could be an outlier. It could be accurate. I will say that 1/2 of my family lives in South Carolina (Charleston), and they recently commented to me how Blue SC seemed to be turning.

I do suspect it is an outlier but I also suspect that SC will go Republican by a much smaller margin than usual.

 

[JasperL]

Right, so we should go by deeds instead of names. And if we go by deeds, then both Hitler and Mussolini were undoubtedly left wing.

They were fascists, and fascism is a right wing ideology. Hitler first rounded up into concentration camps, then murdered the "liberals" of his era, and the Nazi regime was a brutal, nationalist police state. That's not left wing as used in this era. Read some history.

Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.

 

[Taylor]

I wouldn't really say that. There were some close polls early in 2016, but down the stretch, the four polls taken had Trump +4, Trump +11, Trump +13, and Trump +15. He won by 14. One outlier there with the Winthrop poll, but overall not bad at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State..._the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

Gravis had Trump +5
WashPo had Trump +4
Ipsos had Trump +6
PPP had Trump +2
Feldman had Trump +2

Those Starboard polls were closer to the margin, but had Trump at 47-8%, whereas he won with 55% of the vote.

I think Trafalgar was the only pollster that had Trump over 50% - they were an outlier, but did a great job. They were also one of the few - perhaps only pollsters - to predict wins in Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Gravis had Trump +5
WashPo had Trump +4
Ipsos had Trump +6
PPP had Trump +2
Feldman had Trump +2

Those Starboard polls were closer to the margin, but had Trump at 47-8%, whereas he won with 55% of the vote.

I think Trafalgar was the only pollster that had Trump over 50% - they were an outlier, but did a great job. They were also one of the few - perhaps only pollsters - to predict wins in Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016.

Hey, you do know 2018 is the number that comes after 2016? And 2020 is 4 years after that?

Ya’ll reliving this one time at band camp thing over and over again. Maybe your boy would have had a fighting chance if he actually put up a fight. Dude caved to covid harder than Don Jr bangs his head on the table diving for the first bump of coke.

 

[Anagram]

Gravis had Trump +5
WashPo had Trump +4
Ipsos had Trump +6
PPP had Trump +2
Feldman had Trump +2

Those Starboard polls were closer to the margin, but had Trump at 47-8%, whereas he won with 55% of the vote.

I think Trafalgar was the only pollster that had Trump over 50% - they were an outlier, but did a great job. They were also one of the few - perhaps only pollsters - to predict wins in Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016.

You're reaching back to early-mid August for those polls. The race was different at that point than closer to the end. Clinton was polling better everywhere around then than she was at the finish. You can't really say a poll August 15th is wrong simply because it has different results than November 2. The September polls I quoted had a whole lot of election between them and the actual result too honestly. The only South Carolina poll near the end of the race was the Starboard one, and it did pretty well.

As long as polls allow for undecided options, which are not on actual ballots, they are going to in general, undershoot the percentages for the candidates actual results.

 

[JasperL]

I gave links proving they were socialist mass murderers. Need me to re-post? Do you think people lie in their diaries?

Show me the links if you want, but I don't really care all that much. The Nazis were fascists and purged the socialists, rounded them up into concentration camps, murdering the socialist leaders, in the early 1930s. The Nazis had the backing of Germany big business because they weren't socialists and brutally repressed the left wing, labor, socialists and communists. That's just history. Here's a summary if you want to educate yourself.

Nazism, socialism and the falsification of history - ABC Religion & Ethics

If the Nazis were so obviously anti-socialist and committed to private property, and if socialists were among the earliest victims of the Nazi party, why are some claiming Hitler was a socialist?

www.abc.net.au

 

[ReubenSherr]

Hard to put too much faith in the accuracy here - the polls in SC were some of the worst in 2016.

Yeah, the polls are all over the place, someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong.

I have no clue what’s going to happen, one poll has Trump up by 2 in Ohio, another has him within the MOE in Nevada. ABC has Trump leading in Arizona and Florida, 538 rates them A+.

Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Biden up by 8 nationally, two weeks ago they had Trump up by 1. Harvard/Harris has Biden up by 2 nationally, which would likely be a Trump victory.

Most polls still aren’t including third party candidates. Biden’s ABC national lead shrinks 4 points when third party candidates are included.

There are still reports of firms sampling too many Dems. Someone is polling correctly, someone isn’t.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Yeah, the polls are all over the place, someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong.

I have no clue what’s going to happen, one poll has Trump up by 2 in Ohio, another has him within the MOE in Nevada. ABC has Trump leading in Arizona and Florida, 538 rates them A+.

Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Biden up by 8 nationally, two weeks ago they had Trump up by 1. Harvard/Harris has Biden up by 2 nationally, which would likely be a Trump victory.

There are still reports of firms sampling too many Dems. Someone is polling correctly, someone isn’t.

Reminder: this is the dude who was credited with giving ya’ll the data you needed to carve up the swing states *just so*:

 

[Dans La Lune]

Hitler and Goebbels were socialists

National Socialists. That you are confused shows how easy it is to confuse right-wingers.

 

[aociswundumho]

They were fascists, and fascism is a right wing ideology.

No, that's a myth put forth by leftist history professors. I'm right wing and I have nothing in common with Hitler or Mussolini. They were both collectivists, whereas I support individualism. They both had complete control over their respective economies, whereas I support a free market. They both created expansive welfare states, whereas I, like all right-wingers, are against the very idea of government welfare.

Presumably you agree that Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Barry Goldwater are right wing? What do they have in common with Mussolini and Hitler? Nothing. But Hitler and Mussolini had a lot in common with modern progressives.

Hitler first rounded up into concentration camps, then murdered the "liberals" of his era,

Yes, Hitler murdered Marxists, but then again, so did Stalin. Leftists are naturally violent, it's not unusual for them to kill each other over trivial differences.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

National Socialists. That you are confused shows how easy it is to confuse right-wingers.

They think we’re just a republic and not a democracy!

 

[aociswundumho]

National Socialists. That you are confused shows how easy it is to confuse right-wingers.

Nationalism and socialism go hand in hand. Remember Francis Bellamy, or Soviet patriotism?

 

[Visbek]

Take it for what it's worth, but so far this cycle Quinnipiac has had Biden doing much better southern whites in most of their polls than other pollsters....

Trump won SC by 15 points.

If Quinnipiac is off by 5%, then that's still a huge shift.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Nationalism and socialism go hand in hand. Remember Francis Bellamy, or Soviet patriotism?

So you're saying Trump is a socialist? A national socialist, even?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Well, they were right wing murderous fascists, but what's the diff, right?

Sounds good and they did have 'socialist' in their name, which means it's true, same way that since N. Korea's official name is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea that like the U.S. N. Korea is a democratic republic! Bravo!

This is a 1000 watt boombox.

True, the batteries are only capable of supplying 12aH each and that means that this "thousand watt boombox" could theoretically only put out a kilowatt for about two thousandths of a second but if you measure using "IPP" you're good to go.
IPP is "Instantaneous Peak Power".
I call it "I piss purple" because it's a bogus measurement unit, just as "Democratic" is as meaningless as "Socialist" when you're dealing with an authoritarian dictatorship.

In essence, if anyone is talking to a person who insists that Hitler was a socialist or that North Korea is democratic, you're dealing with an eight year-old who didn't get their grape soda and Hot Pocket from Mom that morning.

 

[Taylor]

You're reaching back to early-mid August for those polls.

Not true. Most of those I listed were newer than the ones you had.

WashPo was from Nov.
Gravis was from Nov.
Ipsos was Oct-Nov.

Multi-State Polls

Gravis Polls providing state and national polling services. Gravis provides market research and polling results.

www.gravispolls.com

SurveyMonkey (11/1-11/7 2016)

2016 Alabama President - Trump 55%, Clinton 36% (SurveyMonkey 11/1-11/7)

elections.huffingtonpost.com

 

[Dans La Lune]

No, that's a myth put forth by leftist history professors.

Name a source for your understanding of history.

I'm right wing and I have nothing in common with Hitler or Mussolini. They were both collectivists, whereas I support individualism.

Yes, those MAGA dunce caps are a sure sign of individualism.

They both had complete control over their respective economies, whereas I support a free market. They both created expansive welfare states, whereas I, like all right-wingers, are against the very idea of government welfare.

States that voted for Trump depend the most on ‘big government’

One of the worst offenders is Mitch McConnell’s home state of Kentucky, according to this WalletHub study.

www.marketwatch.com

Red States Are Welfare Queens

www.businessinsider.com

 

[JasperL]

No, that's a myth put forth by leftist history professors. I'm right wing and I have nothing in common with Hitler or Mussolini. They were both collectivists, whereas I support individualism. They both had complete control over their respective economies, whereas I support a free market. They both created expansive welfare states, whereas I, like all right-wingers, are against the very idea of government welfare.

Presumably you agree that Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Barry Goldwater are right wing? What do they have in common with Mussolini and Hitler? Nothing. But Hitler and Mussolini had a lot in common with modern progressives.

Yes, Hitler murdered Marxists, but then again, so did Stalin. Leftists are naturally violent, it's not unusual for them to kill each other over trivial differences.

Yeah, whatever. For some reason the big industrialists, the major German corporate set, supported Hitler. And Hitler killed off the left wing - the socialists, communists, left wing intellectuals, the Jews, and the unions, but he was one of them, that he rounded up and murdered, while getting the backing of the big German corporations, because of his leftist views!!

Sheesh, you can try your theory on someone else who hasn't read basic history.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

They were fascists, and fascism is a right wing ideology. Hitler first rounded up into concentration camps, then murdered the "liberals" of his era, and the Nazi regime was a brutal, nationalist police state. That's not left wing as used in this era. Read some history.

In addition, Himmler, long before the Wannsee Conference, and after the "Night of the Long Knives", which eventuated the disposal of any and all left-sympathizing party members, including Ernst Roehm, about 1938, enunciated to a mass meeting of the SchutzStaffel (S.S.):
"We are of the right and of order.
We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies."

"While Hitler's attitude towards liberalism was one of contempt, towards Marxism he showed an implacable hostility… Ignoring the profound differences between Communism and Social Democracy in practice and the bitter hostility between the rival working class parties, he saw in their common ideology the embodiment of all that he detested -- mass democracy and a leveling egalitarianism as opposed to the authoritarian state and the rule of an elite; equality and friendship among peoples as opposed to racial inequality and the domination of the strong; class solidarity versus national unity; internationalism versus nationalism"

---Alan Bullock, "Hitler: A Study in Tyranny", New York: HarperCollins, 1971

 

[aociswundumho]

So you're saying Trump is a socialist? A national socialist, even?

It's a matter of degree. Trump definitely has many socialist tendencies, unfortunately. He luvs cops and the military and I don't trust him for one second regarding gun rights. He's a complete retard regarding immigration and trade, to the point where he pretty much agrees with Bernie Sanders, who is arguably the biggest idiot in the federal government. But again, it's a matter of degree, and he's still more capitalist than socialist.

 

[justabubba]

Wow. I first thought I saw 'North' Caolina! How about that?

you would see similar results

however, SC with a black senate candidate, can get out the vote by the african-American community in a way NC cannot

 

[joko104]

Also, Lindsay Ghraham of South Carolina is tied with the democrat he's running against.

Lot of anger aimed at the republicans, at the moment.

Billionaires and the mega rich are plowing massive sums of money into Democratic candidates for 5 primary reasons:

1. Eliminating Trump will put hundreds of billions and more into their pockets by eliminating tarriffs on their non-white foreign slave labor sweatshops.
2. Biden promised them he will not raise their taxes nor fundamentally change anything.
3. Biden will eliminate their having to provide their employees any health insurance
4. Biden will assure an endless supply of cheap immigrant labor in the USA
5. Biden will continue to permanently eliminate the middle class - eliminating their economic competitors

Other than non-white slaves making them cheap products, there is nothing most Democrats love than the super rich that the voluntarily exist to serve as servants and beggars.

They are pouring tens of millions of dollars against Lindsey Graham.