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Trump: I have 'absolute right to pardon myself'

trouble13 said:
If you want to know why I think he has the authority to pardon himself you should of asked that. I don't know why trump thinks whatever it is he thinks beyond what he has said. My name aint hannity, I don't talk to him on the phone.

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If you claim that you don't know why trump said that he believes he has the power to pardon himself, then you're using the feigning of stupidity as a debate tactic. That has got to be the all time saddest way to defend one's position there can be.
 
upsideguy said:
...and, if you use your power to obstruct justice, its obstruction of justice.
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which you would think would be the reasoning to block proprietorial discretion, but it isn't. Would Mueller be guilty of obstruction of justice if tomorrow he just said "**** it, I'm done"?
 
Cardinal said:
See In re Murchison. It's the DOJ's official position that no man can be a judge in his own case for a reason.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/349/133/case.html

Trump can certainly try pardoning himself, but all he would accomplish is putting the country through yet another headache. Which, I know, is a good chunk of the reason for why people voted for him.
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Under what authority would a judge override a pardon? Under what authority would a judge or jury ignore a pardon? Neither exist.

If tomorrow Trump pardoned everyone who was ever convicted of drunk driving, listing every single name, could anyone stop it? I don't think they could, their only recourse would be to impeach Trump, but that doesn't change the fact that the pardon exists already.

Like I said, its a great exercise for people to sit around a fire, smoking pipes and cigars.
 
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apdst said:
The president--any president--would be impeached before any criminal trial takes place, therefore removing his executive authority, including pardoning power.

The issue is ****ing stupid.
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The president can pardon people for crimes they've yet to be indicted for so in theory he could pardon himself before he's impeached.
 
Gaius46 said:
The president can pardon people for crimes they've yet to be indicted for so in theory he could pardon himself before he's impeached.
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Has that ever happened?
 
upsideguy said:
...and, if you use your power to obstruct justice, its obstruction of justice.
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A pardon by denifition can not obstruct justice. It is a mechanism of our justice system.

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Samhain said:
Under what authority would a judge override a pardon? Under what authority would a judge or jury ignore a pardon? Neither exist.

If tomorrow Trump pardoned everyone who was ever convicted of drunk driving, listing every single name, could anyone stop it? I don't think they could, their only recourse would be to impeach Trump, but that doesn't change the fact that the pardon exists already.

Like I said, its a great exercise for people to sit around a fire, smoking pipes and cigars.
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This thread deals with pardoning himself, not other people.
 
American said:
Frankly I think Obama thought of himself, Hillary and their henchmen as above the law. I mean, they broke the law for our own good, didn't they? :lol:
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All you ever bring is but but Obama, but but Hillary.
 
poweRob said:
This floats among the many things that innocent people don't tend to say.
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This statement alone put him in violation of his oath of office and warrants impeachment. This makes Richard Nixon look like Mr. Rodgers.
 
apdst said:
Has that ever happened?
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The President's pardon power is not limited by the Constitution to people who have been convicted. In Ex Part Garland (1866) the Supreme Court found that

The Constitution provides that the President 'shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.'

The power thus conferred is unlimited, with the exception stated. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment. This power of the President is not subject to legislative control.
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Praxas said:
Can you imagine the outrage from Trump type supporters if Obama had said this? Trump is basically saying he is above the law.
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We don't have to imagine it. Remember the right-wing reaction to the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki? That guy was an actual terrorist trying to kill Americans who had joined a terrorist group in another country and they still flipped out as if Obama had violated his constitutional rights.
 
Cardinal said:
If you claim that you don't know why trump said that he believes he has the power to pardon himself, then you're using the feigning of stupidity as a debate tactic. That has got to be the all time saddest way to defend one's position there can be.
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You don't know why either

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Gaius46 said:
There's nothing in the Constitution that says he can't though it would violate at least two foundations of our legal system: no man is above the law and no may is his own jury. As a practical matter it doesn't matter. He couldn't avoid impeachment and once out of office if someone wanted to prosecute him they'd find a way.
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That's pretty much what I figured.

Remove him from office and buh-bye presidential privilege.
 
Lursa said:
That's pretty much what I figured.

Remove him from office and buh-bye presidential privilege.
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For sure, but there is no expiration on a Pardon, nor can it be ignored. But a Pardon needs to be specific to a crime, of which none has been found.

Like every statement or topic that revolves around Trump, its quite a bit of hyperventilating and then we move on.
 
apdst said:
He can't be impeached for excercising his constitutionally authority.
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He can be impeached for parting his hair on the wrong side, you might want read up on the topic.
 
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