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Trump: evacuate Tehran

Pyrite said:
Per this thread's OP, trump sounds as if he's on board with the United States' entering Israel's war against Iran.

I, personally, do not appreciate being manipulated into declaring war on Iran.
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I understand, and it isn't a situation that I'd like to be confronted with either. But both Putin and Bebe know Trump well, and both were his bros in the first term when bebe set up the three as buds.

Putin no doubt preached ending the war, bebe preached finishing the job. What Trump will do now is anyone's guess.
 
maxparrish said:
I think its mostly Trump wanting to be the center of attention. If reports are accurate some months ago Trump wanted to be the one to punish Iran and was talked out of it by Vance and Hegseth, among others. So he went into talks that went nowhere.

Now Bebe is stealing the limelight, the one who acted while Trump sat on the sideline. Naturally he wants to brag with "I told you so" as if he was the moving force.

In truth he is probably TACOing his prior belligerence and won't be doing what is necessary to back his threats: strike the deep underground bunkers that process Iran's weapons grade Uranium.

So he is content with strutting on the sidelines with the "I told you so" and more "blah. blah, blah..."
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Great....... two raving lunatics, both of whom belong in jail, wandering the planet looking for a population of people sufficiently large enough to feed their massive egos when they bomb them to smithereens. Who is crazier the people who elect such psychotic criminals or the criminals themselves.
 
HangLow said:
Because they are reasonable, sensible, and serious people...
They do NOT have to follow that order... Most would NOT...
-Peace

Conventional? Maybe to Yes...
Nukes? NOT GONNA HAPPEN...
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You don’t think Trump can find a dozen MAGAs in the entire military? There isn’t any magic that makes people reasonable, sensible, or serious as soon as they put on the uniform.
 
weaver2 said:
Great....... two raving lunatics, both of whom belong in jail, wandering the planet looking for a population of people sufficiently large enough to feed their massive egos when they bomb them to smithereens. Who is crazier the people who elect such psychotic criminals or the criminals themselves.
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Trump left G7 early, perhaps to start planning or authorizing a strike. We will see.
 
Serenity said:
Iran currently hosts one of the largest, if not now the largest refugee population in the world. Some peoples entire lives have been surrounded by chaos, instability and conflict.

It's a shitty hand to be dealt.
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It reminds me of hearing about Afghans who managed to escape the Taliban and managed to get refugee status in… freaking Ukraine, right before the Russians attacked!

I swear if a God exists, he must have one very sick sense of humor.
 
Who thinks that 5 minutes after the US or Israel launch a nuke at Iran, Russia will drop a nuke on Ukraine? Israel have obviously chosen to escalate things at this time believing that they can get Trump to go to war with them. Maybe they have promised him a new plane or that they will buy lots of Trump Coin etc? Putting the fate of the world in the hands of Trump, Netanyahu, Putin, and the Iranian leadership is so much of a worst case scenario that it is hard to believe that we have collectively been so stupid.
 
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AConcernedCitizen said:
You don’t think Trump can find a dozen MAGAs in the entire military? There isn’t any magic that makes people reasonable, sensible, or serious as soon as they put on the uniform.
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I would think he could find hundreds of thousands MAGGGATs in the military... Maybe up to 35-40%...
Some hardcore core, but most "Not so much"...
Very scary situation, but it is what it is...

But NO member of a bomber crew carrying Nukes...
The way this Iranian thing is playing, NO Bomber Crew would drop Nuke on Iran...

I think Congress would have to get involved...
If Congress did say okay, they would nuke anybody...
No question in my mind...

They will NOT do it under this Commander-in-Chief, and the Homeland has not been struck by Iran...
-Peace
 
Pyrite said:
Why not?

The IDF's Air Force cannot deliver the largest of the bunker-busting munitions.
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Ganondagan said:
I think the Iranian regime will be removed from power before that needs to happen. If it does need to happen I hope Trump will not hesitate to carry it out.
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Who do you think will "remove the Iranian regime from power"? (And do so quickly.)
 
Ganondagan said:
There should be no de-escalation, it would just be another pause in the ongoing war between Islam and the rest of the world. Israel is fighting to protect, not just it's own citizens, it's fighting to protect all of Europe and America. Isreal should accept nothing but unconditional surrender from Iran and their proxies.
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In the long run, Israel will NOT survive this...
sad, Sad, SAD...
-Peace

I hope WE survive...
 
maxparrish said:
I think its mostly Trump wanting to be the center of attention. If reports are accurate some months ago Trump wanted to be the one to punish Iran and was talked out of it by Vance and Hegseth, among others. So he went into talks that went nowhere.

Now Bebe is stealing the limelight, the one who acted while Trump sat on the sideline. Naturally he wants to brag with "I told you so" as if he was the moving force.

In truth he is probably TACOing his prior belligerence and won't be doing what is necessary to back his threats: strike the deep underground bunkers that process Iran's weapons grade Uranium.

So he is content with strutting on the sidelines with the "I told you so" and more "blah. blah, blah..."
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I think if tRump could use Nukes?
He WOULD...
-Peace
 
Pyrite said:
Are we going to be using our largest bunker-busting bombs (and our B-2 stealth bombers) to try to take out Iranian nuclear/weapons facilities?
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My guess is yes, that the U.S. will provide Israel with our bunker buster to take out Fordow.
 
gbg3 said:
My guess is yes, that the U.S. will provide Israel with our bunker buster to take out Fordow.
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That won't work. Why not? The IDF doesn't have a bomber that can carry a munition large enough/heavy enough to take out the hardened facilities.

American pilots, American B-2 stealth bombers, American munitions would be needed. That means the USA would effectively declare war on Iran.
 
maxparrish said:
While I am somewhat ambivalent about Israel's choice to launch their attacks, now that it has happened, we would be negligent to not help Israel finish the job. It's time to try and end Iran's program now.

There seems to be a consensus that at least one rates as the most important target, Fordow. It is very deep underground complex producing Iran's uranium. Only the US has the planes and unique bomb that can reach it - although even then it may require two of them.

Here is a graphic on how it works: The massive ordinance penetrator would have to be dropped either from a B 52 or, more likely, a B-2, from Diego Garcia.

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I agree. It wouldn't make sense for Israel to complete only 1/3 of the goal. That would certainly be negligent.
 
gbg3 said:
I agree. It wouldn't make sense for Israel to complete only 1/3 of the goal. That would certainly be negligent.
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To finish Israel's goal, the USA would declare war on Iran.

Do you understand this?
 
Ishm said:
Who thinks that 5 minutes after the US or Israel launch a nuke at Iran, Russia will drop a nuke on Ukraine? Israel have obviously chosen to escalate things at this time believing that they can get Trump to go to war with them. Maybe they have promised him a new plane or that they will buy lots of Trump Coin etc? Putting the fate of the world in the hands of Trump, Netanyahu, Putin, and the Iranian leadership is so much of a worst case scenario that it is hard to believe that we have collectively been so stupid.
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I think everyone can cease talking about either Israel or the US launching a nuke on Iran. That would never happen, except in the instance that Isreal thought its existence was at stake.

And while I think it is possible that Trump will hit Fordow with a conventional weapon, I think it less likely than not. His own administration is divided on Israel and I believe Trump has gone from bloviating threat maker to cheerleader. TRump always has been, and always will be, an impulsive bully that can switch off and pretend he wasn't.

If Israel wants to disable Fordow it appears they will have to do it on the ground - a very difficult task.
 
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