Trump doesn't really want to win

[calamity]

Interesting times. For good reason, voters have had it with the status quo, government elites in Washington and elsewhere. Clearly, that sentiment moved Trump to a win in the primaries.

So it's status quo millions don't want, or role the dice.

A lot of people are being left behind in the new economy. I get that. I also have no idea how we fix it.

I saw something very interesting this past week. We had three Mexican visitors from a German company with a plant located in Mexico who we sell car parts to. These guys were sharp and meticulously went over every detail of the process for the components we are manufacturing for them. All three spoke three languages: German, English and, of course, Spanish. Cream of the crop types, who are well-versed in the math and sciences and very competent in engineering technology.

I'm sold on the idea that we need to learn to be more like them, and also that we should learn to work with them. Trump wants to do the opposite. He wants to shut them out. IMO, that idea is a road to more failure. Hillary wants to elevate us to be better than them. That's the road to success.

Sad thing is though--try to convince a Trumpette or a Liberal Progressive that kids should learn three languages in school and master the math and sciences in order to graduate. One side are English only nativists and the other insist that we should not make kids work hard and fiercely compete in order to earn that degree. If that does not change, we are doomed.

 

[ocean515]

Just to clarify, when i said a fight to the death it came across poorly. I was speaking in metaphor

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Ok. I get it.

In this modern age of communication, the normal social constraints in place in face to face discussion have been removed. We now communicate by text, tweet, and blog. Hidden behind our key strokes, we use language we would never use standing toe to toe. The gloves come off, and we respond as if the person were standing in front of us.

This new confrontational attitude and language is trickling into face to face interactions, and the same on-line language is used. Would the average person walk up to a stranger and say to their face they are a racist scumbag brainstem moron? I don't think so, but that is what is happening.

Again, IMO, by design and planning.

What comes next remains to be seen. I am very concerned how the planned end game will be met with the planned response to it.

 

[poweRob]

This is what im planning on doing. Im leaning toward writing in George Washington as a political statement becausw he is the kind of man i would vote for.

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So you want to vote for a guy who uses big gubamint military to force people to pay their whiskey taxes?

 

[trouble13]

A lot of people are being left behind in the new economy. I get that. I also have no idea how we fix it.

I saw something very interesting this past week. We had three Mexican visitors from a German company with a plant located in Mexico who we sell car parts to. These guys were sharp and meticulously went over every detail of the process for the components we are manufacturing for them. All three spoke three languages: German, English and, of course, Spanish. Cream of the crop types, who are well-versed in the math and sciences and very competent in engineering technology.

I'm sold on the idea that we need to learn to be more like them, and also that we should learn to work with them. Trump wants to do the opposite. He wants to shut them out. IMO, that idea is a road to more failure. Hillary wants to elevate us to be better than them. That's the road to success.

Sad thing is though--try to convince a Trumpette or a Liberal Progressive that kids should learn three languages in school and master the math and sciences in order to graduate. One side are English only nativists and the other insist that we should not make kids work hard and fiercely compete in order to earn that degree. If that does not change, we are doomed.

What 3 languages should everyone speak?

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[Ikari]

What 3 languages should everyone speak?

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American English, British English, and....umm.....Australian English.

 

[poweRob]

Oh, victory is certain. And, the reason for the Trump threads is because it really is amazing that so many GOP people voted in for the guy least likely to ever beat Hillary.

I kept saying during the primary, Kasich was their best shot. The GOP has never won without Ohio and he was a lock for that state. And his more even tempermant would've kept the party more united for the general.

 

[ocean515]

A lot of people are being left behind in the new economy. I get that. I also have no idea how we fix it.

I saw something very interesting this past week. We had three Mexican visitors from a German company with a plant located in Mexico who we sell car parts to. These guys were sharp and meticulously went over every detail of the process for the components we are manufacturing for them. All three spoke three languages: German, English and, of course, Spanish. Cream of the crop types, who are well-versed in the math and sciences and very competent in engineering technology.

I'm sold on the idea that we need to learn to be more like them, and also that we should learn to work with them. Trump wants to do the opposite. He wants to shut them out. IMO, that idea is a road to more failure. Hillary wants to elevate us to be better than them. That's the road to success.

Sad thing is though--try to convince a Trumpette or a Liberal Progressive that kids should learn three languages in school and master the math and sciences in order to graduate. One side are English only nativists and the other insist that we should not make kids work hard and fiercely compete in order to earn that degree. If that does not change, we are doomed.

I don't subscribe to the globalist agenda. I think it is a fools errand that flies in the face of culture and reality. I embrace international business relationships that bring about mutual benefit. I don't believe in artificial playing fields.

I've done business globally. I've had business partners in Japan, China, the UK, France, and Germany. All these relationships had their plusses and minuses, and that is how is the way it is. I don't believe the government should play much, if any, role in promoting those arrangements.

 

[trouble13]

Ok. I get it.

In this modern age of communication, the normal social constraints in place in face to face discussion have been removed. We now communicate by text, tweet, and blog. Hidden behind our key strokes, we use language we would never use standing toe to toe. The gloves come off, and we respond as if the person were standing in front of us.

This new confrontational attitude and language is trickling into face to face interactions, and the same on-line language is used. Would the average person walk up to a stranger and say to their face they are a racist scumbag brainstem moron? I don't think so, but that is what is happening.

Again, IMO, by design and planning.

What comes next remains to be seen. I am very concerned how the planned end game will be met with the planned response to it.

I admit that sometimes i get carried away and guilty of being too harsh with my words and would not phrase it that way if we were face to face. I have caught myself doing it and i did not like it about myself.it still happens sometimes but i rurned over a new leaf when i realized this enviroment was turning me into a person i did not like. I now make a concserted effort to speak to people on here as if we were soeaking in person. I have bowed out of the indult contest. I still debate online because i learn so much by talking things out with others i just use my manners and try to apply something a freind of mine use to say. When we would disagree he would say 2 ears, 1 mouth. In others words focus more on listening and less on speaking.

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[TheGoverness]

What 3 languages should everyone speak?

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Klingon, Galactic Basic, and Wookieespeak.

 

[poweRob]

What 3 languages should everyone speak?

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English... because it's the language of money and business in the world.
Spanish.. because it's spoken most widly around the world.

3rd... dunno. Probably Mandarin so we can talk to our future overlords.

 

[calamity]

I don't subscribe to the globalist agenda. I think it is a fools errand that flies in the face of culture and reality. I embrace international business relationships that bring about mutual benefit. I don't believe in artificial playing fields.

I've done business globally. I've had business partners in Japan, China, the UK, France, and Germany. All these relationships had their plusses and minuses, and that is how is the way it is. I don't believe the government should play much, if any, role in promoting those arrangements.

I'm starting to think the government needs to play more of a role to make us competitive. We have a lot of stupid people, and most of that is due to stupid education policies which make stupid people even dumber. There is no reason not to force kids to learn multiple languages, be highly proficient in English writing and reading, and strong in math and science. But, we have too many people with backwards thinking agendas and this idea that we have to level the playing field instead of allowing the brighter pupils to excel and let the dumb ones find a niche or fall by the wayside.

 

[calamity]

English... because it's the language of money and business in the world.
Spanish.. because it's spoken most widly around the world.

3rd... dunno. Probably Mandarin so we can talk to our future overlords.

IMO, English, Spanish, Italian, French and German are similar enough most kids could learn those simultaneously without much effort. Russian and the other Slovak languages would be the next step in that continuum. The real challenge would be learning Chinese or Japanese.

 

[poweRob]

IMO, English, Spanish, Italian and German are similar enough most kids could learn those simultaneously without much effort. Russian and the other Slovak languages would be the next step in that continuum. The real challenge would be learning Chinese or Japanese.

Japanese is supposed to be much easier than Mandarin/Chinese. Japanese is more monotone while Mandarin you can say the same exact thing but barely inflect it differently and it has a completely different meaning.

 

[calamity]

What 3 languages should everyone speak?

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After English, they can pick and choose. Smart though would be to learn Spanish, for sure. After that....I'd recommend Chinese.

 

[ocean515]

I admit that sometimes i get carried away and guilty of being too harsh with my words and would not phrase it that way if we were face to face. I have caught myself doing it and i did not like it about myself.it still happens sometimes but i rurned over a new leaf when i realized this enviroment was turning me into a person i did not like. I now make a concserted effort to speak to people on here as if we were soeaking in person. I have bowed out of the indult contest. I still debate online because i learn so much by talking things out with others i just use my manners and try to apply something a freind of mine use to say. When we would disagree he would say 2 ears, 1 mouth. In others words focus more on listening and less on speaking.

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I too am guilty as charged. It's a new communication environment. And it's being very carefully used by unseen forces to manipulate and bring about changes people would not accept if the effort was out in the open.

Like you, I am on this site because of the information that can be gleaned from the conversations. I'm kind of an old guy, and I started looking into sites like this back in 2008 when it seemed certain talking points would suddenly appear in the daily conversation. I'll admit I was quite naïve about it all.

After digging into it, I discovered a very large, very very well financed web of groups and special interests that had me thinking all those conspiracy movies were actually based on fact, rather than a writers imagination.

That being said, your posts are a good reminder to take a step back when necessary and ask myself if I am contributing to the problem, or the solution. For that, I thank you.

 

[calamity]

Japanese is supposed to be much easier than Mandarin/Chinese. Japanese is more monotone while Mandarin you can say the same exact thing but barely inflect it differently and it has a completely different meaning.

I imagine that would make it very difficult. I knew a guy a few years ago who married a Chinese woman he met while doing business out of Taiwan. He learned the language in his twenties. Sharp guy.

BTW: He ended up moving back to Taiwan a few years ago because he said it held more opportunities than the US.

 

[trouble13]

So you want to vote for a guy who uses big gubamint military to force people to pay their whiskey taxes?

I want to vote for somebody who puts his countrymen first and himself second

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[poweRob]

I imagine that would make it very difficult. I knew a guy a few years ago who married a Chinese woman he met while doing business out of Taiwan. He learned the language in his twenties. Sharp guy.

BTW: He ended up moving back to Taiwan a few years ago because he said it held more opportunities than the US.

This guy I worked with a couple years ago learned Mandarin and spent a year or so in Shanghi, he told me the challenges of the language like that.

 

[trouble13]

American English, British English, and....umm.....Australian English.

Ha ha

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[calamity]

This guy I worked with a couple years ago learned Mandarin and spent a year or so in Shanghi, he told me the challenges of the language like that.

Ironically, the guy I knew said the language was easy---being married to a Chinese woman, not so much.

 

[poweRob]

Ironically, the guy I knew said the language was easy---being married to a Chinese woman, not so much.

The guy I knew told me it wasn't really that hard but a woman I knew from Japan told me it was difficult.

 

[cabse5]

So you guys are trying to recycle this opinion again. I guess the logic is that if you like trump you still should not vote for him because he secretly put himself through all of this for a job interview that he does not want. What evidence can you offer to support your opinion?

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I agree. These bozos recycle lie after lie about Trump hoping some will stick? Hey Vegan, you're preaching to the choir. Too bad the choir may not be big enough to win this election.

 

[trouble13]

English... because it's the language of money and business in the world.
Spanish.. because it's spoken most widly around the world.

3rd... dunno. Probably Mandarin so we can talk to our future overlords.

Actually Chinese is the most spoken by far. It takes aprox the next 4 most spoken combined to equal Chinese. They are
Spanish
English
Hindi
Arabic

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[ocean515]

I'm starting to think the government needs to play more of a role to make us competitive. We have a lot of stupid people, and most of that is due to stupid education policies which make stupid people even dumber. There is no reason not to force kids to learn multiple languages, be highly proficient in English writing and reading, and strong in math and science. But, we have too many people with backwards thinking agendas and this idea that we have to level the playing field instead of allowing the brighter pupils to excel and let the dumb ones find a niche or fall by the wayside.

From my experience, one way for the government to do that, is to refocus the mission. Business is being strangled by regulations that force compromise and limit expansion and opportunity.

After selling a company I founded back in the 80's, I purchased a company that manufactures sophisticated electrical equipment required in just about every public and private facility. A number of sub-assemblies used in this equipment was being sourced in China. After analyzing the situation, I concluded it would be better in the long run to manufacture those sub-assemblies in-house. That opened a Pandora's box of regulatory hurdles and compliance road blocks that eventually led me to move the business to a new facility I built in another part of Southern California.

It's ridiculous such a thing became necessary. I can think of many other things $5.2 million could have been invested in to benefit the company. Imagine if I had put that towards more R&D? Imagine if I had developed some new products that would have required more employees.

That company I founded in the 80's is in the process of closing down the original California plant and moving production back to the second plant in Indiana. When I owned it, there were almost 200 employees in California. Why are they shutting it down? Too much regulation cost to make it's output competitive and profitable.

 

[poweRob]

Actually Chinese is the most spoken by far. It takes aprox the next 4 most spoken combined to equal Chinese. They are
Spanish
English
Hindi
Arabic

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I didn't mean in total numbers but more spead out throughout the world. If you know spanish, you got a larger chunk of the globe covered whereever you travel.