Trump does a better job running ACA than the guy that wrote it.

[Bullseye]

Ironically, that Obamacare is running better now, under Trump - a continual critic of ACA - that it did under the Anointed one

In the upside-down world of Washington politics, President Donald Trump appears to be fixing Obamacare, while Democrats are running around the country dismissing it as a horrible failure.
The latest evidence of the former is that Obamacare premiums are set to drop 4% next year, after declining 1.5% last year, according to a report released by the Health and Human Services Department this week. This comes after five straight years of huge increases, during which Obamacare premiums more than doubled.
The news is so remarkable that even the Washington Post had to admit that “Obamacare is getting more affordable under the Trump administration.” Oh, and the Obamacare markets are becoming more competitive, too, with the number of plans climbing by 13%, giving nearly 70% of the country access to at least three plans.
The Post even acknowledges that these improvements come “despite dire predictions by Democrats that the Trump administration would destroy the insurance marketplaces.”

Standing by for the cacophony of "Nuh-uhs" from the usual places.

 

[Drawdown]

Ironically, that Obamacare is running better now, under Trump - a continual critic of ACA - that it did under the Anointed one





Standing by for the cacophony of "Nuh-uhs" from the usual places.

Perhaps removing the mandate caused these companies to actually have to compete for customers with better and more affordable coverage instead of just having their share of the market hand-delivered to them by Uncle Sam.

 

[Bullseye]

Perhaps removing the mandate caused these companies to actually have to compete for customers with better and more affordable coverage instead of just having their share of the market hand-delivered to them by Uncle Sam.

That's possible. Allowing plans that don't include all the bells and whistles that ACA requires also helps.

 

[Drawdown]

That's possible. Allowing plans that don't include all the bells and whistles that ACA requires also helps.

Maybe. My health insurance seems to be adding new things periodically the last couple of years though as part of my coverage, not taking them away. I recall one had something to do with women's birth control devices and the last time it had something to do with mental health but since neither seemed likely to benefit me, I just tossed them without really delving into the particulars. They also periodically send me a nag letter encouraging me to get vaccinated for flu, etc, but I don't do those and have all the must-have's.

 

[JasperL]

Ironically, that Obamacare is running better now, under Trump - a continual critic of ACA - that it did under the Anointed one

Standing by for the cacophony of "Nuh-uhs" from the usual places.

It would have been nice to see an actual analysis but that wasn't it. In 2018, the first year after Trump repealed the mandate, premiums for the benchmark silver plan soared by 34%. It's true that since then premiums are mostly flat, but it's not exactly a win to see premiums explode in the year following the changes the article is championing.

Marketplace Average Benchmark Premiums | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

It's too bad the author didn't even mention that, because it's a big part of the puzzle that needs explaining. I also know in Tennessee that each year of the Trump administration, uninsured rates have risen every year. Part of that might be state-level efforts, but that is also part of the picture, and the latest data I've seen indicates that trend is national at this point.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That's possible. Allowing plans that don't include all the bells and whistles that ACA requires also helps.

And God help you if you ever get one of those and then get catastrophically ill or injured.
So, to say Obamacare is "doing better" is nonsense.

Once you have removed the mandate and eliminated bans on rescision for preexisting conditions, it is not Obamacare anymore.
What part of "Obama" still exists without those two things? Subsidies? Not in states that refused federal help.

Show us all the part that is still "Obama" because far as I can tell, Trump did a great job "sanitizing" it of anything having to do with Obama, and the figures simply show that the insurance companies are happier now.

 

[Drawdown]

It would have been nice to see an actual analysis but that wasn't it. In 2018, the first year after Trump repealed the mandate, premiums for the benchmark silver plan soared by 34%. It's true that since then premiums are mostly flat, but it's not exactly a win to see premiums explode in the year following the changes the article is championing.

Marketplace Average Benchmark Premiums | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

It's too bad the author didn't even mention that, because it's a big part of the puzzle that needs explaining. I also know in Tennessee that each year of the Trump administration, uninsured rates have risen every year. Part of that might be state-level efforts, but that is also part of the picture, and the latest data I've seen indicates that trend is national at this point.

It may have been because those plans were flooded with people in 2017 to 2018. IIRC there was a quirk in how they calculated all subsidies based just on silver plans and after Trump came into office and did something, people were hopping off bronze plans in favor of silver plans because his change made silver plans ironically more affordable when he was trying to kill the ACA, but I forget the details. Hopefully there is enough in there to give you a place to start looking if it is something that interests you in researching further.

 

[Bullseye]

And God help you if you ever get one of those and then get catastrophically ill or injured.
So, to say Obamacare is "doing better" is nonsense.

Once you have removed the mandate and eliminated bans on rescision for preexisting conditions, it is not Obamacare anymore.
What part of "Obama" still exists without those two things? Subsidies? Not in states that refused federal help.

Show us all the part that is still "Obama" because far as I can tell, Trump did a great job "sanitizing" it of anything having to do with Obama, and the figures simply show that the insurance companies are happier now.

Great Nuh-uh!

 

[Praxas]

That's possible. Allowing plans that don't include all the bells and whistles that ACA requires also helps.

Yeah heaven forbid your insurance actually cover something. You cons are who I hope suffer the most from trying to get rid of the ACA. May you and your ilk get what you want and have the greatest need for the ACA with it gone and have nowhere to turn. Bullseye indeed.

 

[Bullseye]

It would have been nice to see an actual analysis but that wasn't it. In 2018, the first year after Trump repealed the mandate, premiums for the benchmark silver plan soared by 34%. It's true that since then premiums are mostly flat, but it's not exactly a win to see premiums explode in the year following the changes the article is championing.

Marketplace Average Benchmark Premiums | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

It's too bad the author didn't even mention that, because it's a big part of the puzzle that needs explaining. I also know in Tennessee that each year of the Trump administration, uninsured rates have risen every year. Part of that might be state-level efforts, but that is also part of the picture, and the latest data I've seen indicates that trend is national at this point.

I don't see any increases like that on the table from your link.

 

[Bullseye]

Yeah heaven forbid your insurance actually cover something. You cons are who I hope suffer the most from trying to get rid of the ACA. May you and your ilk get what you want and have the greatest need for the ACA with it gone and have nowhere to turn. Bullseye indeed.

WTF are you talking about. Nothing's going away.

 

[Praxas]

WTF are you talking about. Nothing's going away.

It will if you cons have your way.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

WTF are you talking about. Nothing's going away.

How would you even know?
I bet anything you're another one of those who didn't even know that the Affordable Care Act and Obamacare were the same thing.
Your ignorance about healthcare is stunning.
You don't even know the difference between single payer and socialized medicine.
We have been there before with you several times, and I saw "we" because last time it wasn't just me.

 

[JasperL]

It may have been because those plans were flooded with people in 2017 to 2018. IIRC there was a quirk in how they calculated all subsidies based just on silver plans and after Trump came into office and did something, people were hopping off bronze plans in favor of silver plans because his change made silver plans ironically more affordable when he was trying to kill the ACA, but I forget the details. Hopefully there is enough in there to give you a place to start looking if it is something that interests you in researching further.

I will look, or hope Greenbeard jumps into the thread. My main point was the article was just worthless if what you wanted to do was actually evaluate the impact of the Trump era changes on premiums and all the rest. It was partisan spin, the end, which was disappointing, and it linked to an article in the WaPo that was similarly bad.

 

[JasperL]

I don't see any increases like that on the table from your link.

2014 - 273
2015 - 276
2016 - 299
2017 - 359
2018 - 481 +34%
2019 - 477

We can't attribute the jump in 2017 to Trump but the 34% increase for 2018 is on him.

 

[Drawdown]

I will look, or hope Greenbeard jumps into the thread. My main point was the article was just worthless if what you wanted to do was actually evaluate the impact of the Trump era changes on premiums and all the rest. It was partisan spin, the end, which was disappointing, and it linked to an article in the WaPo that was similarly bad.

Some of it I am sure is that they have more data to work with when it was a lot of just wild guessing during the first few years. I did get a check back this year as required by the ACA since costs were lower than planned but it was less than $50.

 

[Bullseye]

How would you even know?
I bet anything you're another one of those who didn't even know that the Affordable Care Act and Obamacare were the same thing.
Your ignorance about healthcare is stunning.
You don't even know the difference between single payer and socialized medicine.
We have been there before with you several times, and I saw "we" because last time it wasn't just me.

And the "NUh-uhs" just keep coming. :roll:

 

[Bullseye]

It will if you cons have your way.

You know how stupid that is? We "cons" need health insurance too. We're just not infatuated with the government running it.

 

[Bullseye]

2014 - 273
2015 - 276
2016 - 299
2017 - 359
2018 - 481 +34%
2019 - 477

We can't attribute the jump in 2017 to Trump but the 34% increase for 2018 is on him.

Aren't premiums set during open enrollment the year before?

 

[JasperL]

Aren't premiums set during open enrollment the year before?

Wasn't Trump president in 2017? I think he was!

 

[Praxas]

You know how stupid that is? We "cons" need health insurance too. We're just not infatuated with the government running it.

You guys think you are invincible and will never need the ACA. You cons that want to get rid of the ACA supported insurance companies doing lifetime caps and being able to drop someone for cancer. You cons make me sick and deserve all the bad health you get for it if you get your way.

 

[Bullseye]

You guys think you are invincible and will never need the ACA. You cons that want to get rid of the ACA supported insurance companies doing lifetime caps and being able to drop someone for cancer. You cons make me sick and deserve all the bad health you get for it if you get your way.

 

[Praxas]

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Thank you for yet again proving me 100% right about you and your ilk. Hoping the worst for you and your ilk.

 

[Bullseye]

Thank you for yet again proving me 100% right about you and your ilk. Hoping the worst for you and your ilk.

I'm sure in your own mind you are always 100% right. In the real world it's closer to 0%.

 

[Praxas]

I'm sure in your own mind you are always 100% right. In the real world it's closer to 0%.

In your world, if you get it, insurance companies can drop you for getting cancer and have lifetime caps. Yes I hope you and your ilk , if you get your way and have the ACA repealed, get to experience Bad health that you will need the ACA when it’s not there.