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Trump Can Prove It

odd there were no charges until Smith the Hitman decided there were

Why is that odd? Garland having cold feet is not odd. It's in his nature. He's the opposite of a pitbull.
 
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That is how it works - there are no charges until the person investigating decides to file charges. What's the alternative? File charges, THEN gather the evidence?
no i mean the states, or the DOJ, - remember the DOJ? it doesnt need to be a SC
what happened was even Smith couldn't indict Trump for 1/6. Being a prosecutor who was already reemed out by SCOTUS for aggressive use of bribery statues on the Virginia governor McDonnell =he had to return something

So he took legal methods - distasteful or not- and turned that into the same thing

.."broader legal implications of the Government’s boundless interpretation of the federal bribery statute.” (Politico, 6/27/16). The High Court also rebuked Smith and warned that “the uncontrolled power of criminal prosecutors is a threat to our separation of powers.”
 
Why is that odd? Garland having cold feet is not odd. It's in his nature. He's the opposite of a pitbull.
well he certainly has cold feet when it comes to going after Biden Inc, although the DOJ doesn't mind stopping the IRS investigation (Whistleblowers). "dont say Joe" prohibiting even searching for Joes name during that aborted investigation
 
no i mean the states, or the DOJ, - remember the DOJ? it doesnt need to be a SC
what happened was even Smith couldn't indict Trump for 1/6. Being a prosecutor who was already reemed out by SCOTUS for aggressive use of bribery statues on the Virginia governor McDonnell =he had to return something

So he took legal methods - distasteful or not- and turned that into the same thing
So, in your estimation, smith and by extension the DOJ has not filed charges then?
 
well he certainly has cold feet when it comes to going after Biden Inc, although the DOJ doesn't mind stopping the IRS investigation (Whistleblowers)

Whataboutism! Let's stick to the topic. Are you capable of that?
 
I answered to another post about Garland.. stay in your lane and don't police my posts

You had no actual counterargument to my point so you resorted to whataboutism. It's definitely a theme for you Trump Supporters.
 
Trump's legal team tried to 'prove' it more than 60 times in court. They failed every single time.
So little evidence they couldn't get a single court to even hear a case.

"BUH BUH BUH WE HAVE PLENTY OF THEORIES! THEY'RE NOT EVIDENCE BUT WE REALLY LIKE THEM! PLEASE?"
 
In Pennsylvania...

There were concerns regarding Pennsylvania's voting procedure long before any votes were even cast. The Keystone State's Senate Republican Caucus and the Republican Party strongly argued that the state Supreme Court extending the deadline to count ballots violated the U.S. Constitution's Elections Clause by taking away the Legislature's authority to "set the times, places and manner of federal elections." This was ruled on by the U.S. Supreme Court just prior to Justice Barrett's confirmation. This led to a 4-4 decision, which results in a "stay." Had this been heard after her confirmation, it is likely Barrett would have ruled against the extensions that led to Biden's constitutionally questionable "comeback."​

In Arizona...

But of all the suspected fraud in 2020, Arizona was the first state that raised suspicions in real time. Despite not voting Democrat in a two-candidate presidential election since 1948, Fox News shockingly called the state for Biden after just 27% of the vote was reported. This sparked a forensic audit that concluded that the number of illegal votes exceeded Biden's alleged 11-thousand-vote victory five fold.​

President Trump did not try to "subvert" the election, nor did he secretly know he lost. Any beyond-surface-level inspection of the 2020 election reveals its fraudulency. Trump was not only allowed to dispute an election he felt was fraudulent, but as president was constitutionally obligated to do so. That is the opposite of criminal. In fact, he is one of the only public officials willing to uphold the oath he swore. Trying to imprison him for this not only is a tall task, but also puts them at risk of allowing him to publicly prove that "The Big Lie" is the real "Big Lie."​
The evidence exists for Trump to finally prove that his over two-year-old claims are valid. All he must do now is present it.​

On the other hand, Trump's lawyers will have to contend with a Trump hating judge who will likely do everything she can to prevent Trump's lawyers from presenting their election fraud evidence.


  • Overall, we rate the American Thinker, Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of conspiracy theories/pseudoscience, use of poor sources, and several failed fact checks.
 
It's not about Trump not being able to accept "your fired". It's about Trump not being able to accept criminal election fraud.

Going to ask you again Mycroft. Please provide a link to a source that convinced you of election fraud in 2020?

If Trump has provided "evidence" of election fraud, please share a source so we all can read and review it.
 
In post 120 I looked at the indictment, the phone call and the claims in the articles you posted.

The new claims are flimsy.
The old claims have been debunked.
I don't see any matches between the new claims and the charges.

I don't see how Judge McAfee is going to allow this to be submitted.

I don't see how any lawyer is going to risk their career by bringing this up in court.
@Mycroft
 
In response to the most recent indictments, Trump's attorneys indicated they finally have a platform to "fully re-litigate every single issue that occurred during the 2020 election," of which there were many. The most important issue in America may finally get its due.​

In Georgia...
Even as mathematically improbable-without-being-previously-counted percentages of ballots favoring Biden continued pouring in on November 4, Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger concluded that with voter turnout already exceeding the 2016 total by 400 thousand votes, and Trump leading by over 105 thousand votes with just 2% of the vote left to count, there simply were not enough outstanding votes for Biden to win the state.​
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Coincidentally, as Raffensperger began stating this on live television, his connection to the program was disconnected. But when he returned, Raffensperger doubled down. Questioned by NBC News panelists, he said, "Even if one of the candidates got the remaining 100%, it wouldn't be enough to change the result."​
Despite this determinative revelation, Raffensperger later switched gears when he told the January 6 committee, "If you looked at all the numbers, it never added up to anywhere near what could throw the election in doubt," completely contradicting his previous claim in the process.​

In Michigan...

In Michigan, a recent report exposed the scheme that delivered Biden with unprecedented amounts of ballots in the early morning hours of November 4, which included an excess of 800 thousand ballots being sent to non-qualified voters. Michigan was allegedly decided by 154,188 votes, making the results more than questionable.​

In Wisconsin...

In March of 2022, former Wisconsin Supreme Court justice Michael Gabelman's investigation unearthed a nursing home exploitation scheme so egregious that his suggested remedy was decertifying Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes. Even Assembly speaker Robin Vos, previously an election fraud denier, conceded that "widespread fraud" had occurred. Later, the state Supreme Court determined that the absentee ballot drop boxes through which 2 million votes were submitted during the election were actually illegal. The majority opinion described the outcome as "obtained by unlawful procedures," as Wisconsin was decided by just 20 thousand votes.​

continued...

Nope.
 
Going to ask you again Mycroft. Please provide a link to a source that convinced you of election fraud in 2020?

If Trump has provided "evidence" of election fraud, please share a source so we all can read and review it.

You'll be waiting.

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And, also tell us why, if there was voter or election fraud, why that didn't extend to offices down-ballot, especially senators and representatives. Why would they (the perpetrators of the fraud) pass on the opportunity to have a 60% Democratic majority in the Senate? That would have made a huge difference. Of course, there is no answer to that because Trump, Eastman, Guiliani, and the stupids who write such drivel in The American Thinker, etc., didn't think that far ahead.
And it also raises the question why didn't any of the down ballot GOP candidates who lost (Kari Lake being the exception) get onboard Trump's election fraud train?
 
You didn't read it, did you?

I did read the article from the OP. I found it to be lacking in detail.
Example:
" There were roughly 168 million registered voters in 2020, which means that voter turnout in 2020 was an astonishing 92%. This is statistically improbable"

That is an opinion. The article does not provide the data, the premise or workup to come to that conclusion.


As far as Arizona that was brought up in the article and links in the article. Cyber Ninjas report has been discredited.
Refute what the county has to report.

Look under the election tab and read. Then refute what was stated in the articles.
 
This case still open, the court has yet to determine this question.

It may be little more than a procedural error, or not. We'll have to wait and see what is sorted out in the courts.

Um, no... that's not correct. The 2020 election results have long ago been certified by all 50 States. Trump and his surrogates had ample opportunities to challenge those results in the Courts - and nobody should begrudge him every legal avenue for doing so until the matter became settled law.

What has yet to be legally settled is his alleged criminal activities to overturn the election results outside of the legal system.
 
In Pennsylvania...

There were concerns regarding Pennsylvania's voting procedure long before any votes were even cast. The Keystone State's Senate Republican Caucus and the Republican Party strongly argued that the state Supreme Court extending the deadline to count ballots violated the U.S. Constitution's Elections Clause by taking away the Legislature's authority to "set the times, places and manner of federal elections." This was ruled on by the U.S. Supreme Court just prior to Justice Barrett's confirmation. This led to a 4-4 decision, which results in a "stay." Had this been heard after her confirmation, it is likely Barrett would have ruled against the extensions that led to Biden's constitutionally questionable "comeback."​

In Arizona...

But of all the suspected fraud in 2020, Arizona was the first state that raised suspicions in real time. Despite not voting Democrat in a two-candidate presidential election since 1948, Fox News shockingly called the state for Biden after just 27% of the vote was reported. This sparked a forensic audit that concluded that the number of illegal votes exceeded Biden's alleged 11-thousand-vote victory five fold.​

President Trump did not try to "subvert" the election, nor did he secretly know he lost. Any beyond-surface-level inspection of the 2020 election reveals its fraudulency. Trump was not only allowed to dispute an election he felt was fraudulent, but as president was constitutionally obligated to do so. That is the opposite of criminal. In fact, he is one of the only public officials willing to uphold the oath he swore. Trying to imprison him for this not only is a tall task, but also puts them at risk of allowing him to publicly prove that "The Big Lie" is the real "Big Lie."​
The evidence exists for Trump to finally prove that his over two-year-old claims are valid. All he must do now is present it.​

On the other hand, Trump's lawyers will have to contend with a Trump hating judge who will likely do everything she can to prevent Trump's lawyers from presenting their election fraud evidence.
Ok Mycroft, I tirelessly repeat the questions neither you nor other members of the Trump Faithful never answer: 1- was it fraud all the other times he claimed fraud?; 2- are you willing to bet he won’t claim fraud regarding 2024? ; 3- why has no participant of the hundreds needed to rig a US election come forward to cop a plea and sell their story?
 
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