Trump being a fascist

[iguanaman]

The U.S. Dept. of Education grants accreditation. The Secretary of Education heads that Dept.

College Accreditation

Find information about accreditation and see the latest information from ED about college accreditation.

www.ed.gov

Departments of the Federal Government typically fall under the authority of the President as head of the Executive Branch.

So, I believe that the President can instruct the Secretary of Education (whomever that might be he has appointed) to withdraw any accreditation within the Dept.'s power to award.

So education standards have nothing to do with accreditation? Then who cares whether a college is accredited or not? Trump University will be the only "accredited" college then.

 

[Risky Thicket]

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So if I learned to read before there was accreditation if be illiterate now? How did the founders found a country and write law without government approval?

Was it acceptable before 1952 was the world in complete chaos before 1952? If not you can't show me that accreditation did anything

No it didn't. Knowledge just doesn't vanish because you don't have a government saying it's okay.

If it did Einstein wouldn't have known anything about physics because he went to school before accreditation happened. In fact the way you see it physics didn't even exist when Einstein was in school.

You are confusing education with educational standards and certification.

Years ago I used to work on my vehicles. Times and technology far exceeded my educational knowledge and skill and now I rely on mechanics who know what they’re doing.

I understand academic accreditation. I worked as an upper level academic advisor while I was in graduate school. I am very familiar with the process and the purpose.

I know enough about automatic transmissions to leave them up to mechanics who know what they’re doing. No way I’m going to stand in the shop and tell them why or how they do or don’t need to do something.

 

[NolanVoyd]

So again Einstein went to Trump University why do you believe in physics that was all determined long before there was any accreditation. Why is a heliocentric universe so wrong Galileo figured out that the solar system at least was solarcentric long before accreditation.

You are in desperate need of a logic and critical thinking class.

The point you think you are making is weirdly illogical.

 

[CLAX1911]

There are so many logical fallacies those two sentences it has to be a record.

Which logical fallacies?

Also, universities have been accredited since the late 1800s, early 1900s.

Regional accreditation. So again was Galileo just an idiot? How were people able to know things during the Renaissance for example?

The only way you can have knowledge is if the government approves the organization you went to to get your knowledge how was anybody educated at any time before?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Which logical fallacies?

Regional accreditation. So again was Galileo just an idiot?

That sentence doesn't make sense logically.

accredidation is wholly unrelated to whethet an individual is an idiot.

How were people able to know things during the Renaissance for example?

The only way you can have knowledge is if the government approves the organization you went to to get your knowledge how was anybody educated at any time before?

Weird stuff. Illogical.

 

[CLAX1911]

You are confusing education with educational standards and certification.

No I'm not. Again before there was a creation where people all just profoundly stupid which Isaac Newton just dumb as a sack of rocks? How was he able to have knowledge about physics if there was no accreditation then?

Years ago I used to work on my vehicles. Times and technology far exceeded my educational knowledge and skill and now I rely on mechanics who know what they’re doing.

Mechanics develop a skill education doesn't take you very far in that field. Back when I was mechanicking when we get a new guy first day out of college working in the real world in our shop that's when his education began.

If reading a bunch of books could make you able to fix a car there'd be no mechanics.

I did do formal education for this field and there was certainly stuff you had to learn theoretical ideas mathematics stuff like that but it was very very basic very very rudimentary. The certification organizations even know this that's why you're not able to get an ASE Master certification unless you worked in the field

I understand academic accreditation. I

worked as an upper level academic advisor while I was in graduate school. I am very familiar with the process and the purpose.

So how are people able to understand physics if most of it was figured out by Isaac Newton and Galileo before we had accreditation?

I know enough about automatic transmissions to leave them up to mechanics who know what they’re doing.

And I've rebuilt hundreds of them. More manual transmissions though as I used to work on 18 wheelers predominantly. Automatic transmissions are tinker Toys profoundly simple devices. There's a few higher concepts at play and I think it does help diagnosing them you know some of these but really the only problem you ever going to have internally with an automatic transmission is slipping any real only solution for that that will repair it is rebuilt. I'd seen water contamination in a number of them. Hundreds of times I've rebuilt these things as if I know exactly what I'm doing but I didn't go to a school that was nationally accredited how is that possible?

No way I’m going to stand in the shop and tell them why or how they do or don’t need to do something.

I would say beware as automatic transmission shops are probably the second most crooked commercial edifice I've encountered as a mechanic. If you see a bunch of used cars for sale nearby or you find out one of the transmission guys is selling cars quite a bit because he tells someone that their transmission is beyond repair and it's going to take thousands and thousands of dollars and he offers to buy the car for about 600 bucks for prayers the transmission in for 6000

 

[Peter]

Enough said...

So please explain who will make the decision if something is or isn't antisemitic. Do we hold a national vote each time any decision ever needs to be made? Do you not understand how a republic works?

Well, certainly not Trump that's for sure.

 

[Gardener]

Since there is such a strong ethnic quality to fascism, this is actually an ANTI fascist move.

 

[CLAX1911]

Since there is such a strong ethnic quality to fascism, this is actually an ANTI fascist move.

Oh no all the multi ethnic people and women that voted for Trump have internalized hatred for people in their respective demographics.

 

[CLAX1911]

So education standards have nothing to do with accreditation?

Exactly. Standards of education should be judged by adaptation to the workforce and various fields not by rubber stamp

Then who cares whether a college is accredited or not? Trump University will be the only "accredited" college then.

Exactly. Knowledge doesn't require a rubber stamp.

 

[Risky Thicket]

That sentence doesn't make sense logically.

accredidation is wholly unrelated to whether an individual is an idiot.


Weird stuff. Illogical.

We are arguing with people who have no concept of what accreditation is.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Exactly. Standards of education should be judged by adaptation to the workforce and various fields not by rubber stamp

Exactly. Knowledge doesn't require a rubber stamp.

You are telling us what you think accreditation should be. Tell us in detail what you think it is.

What are the criteria for accreditation?

How is national and regional accreditation constructed?

How is the accreditation process conducted?

 

[Lord of Planar]

"My first week in the back Oval Office my administration will inform every college president that if you do not end anti-Semitic propaganda they will lose their accreditation and federal taxpayer support."
—Donald Trump


Who decides what is anti-Semitic propaganda?

That is pretty clear cut.

The president does not have the power to remove accreditation. The Sec of Education is required to publish:

The President can contact the other school agencies informing them of the ultimatum.

"a list of nationally recognized accrediting agencies that the secretary has determined to be reliable authorities on the quality of education or training provided by the institutions of higher education and the higher education programs they accredit.
Professional schools, which are often graduate schools, have separate organizations for accreditation, e.g. American Board of Higher Education (ABHEC).[3]"

This is some crazy shit.

Maybe so, but that is how the 55 MPH speed limit was imposed in the 70's. States lost funding that did not comply.

 

[Loulit01]

That is pretty clear cut.

The President can contact the other school agencies informing them of the ultimatum.

Maybe so, but that is how the 55 MPH speed limit was imposed in the 70's. States lost funding that did not comply.

Same when they raised the drinking age.

But colleges don't need government accreditation, there are other organization that do that. And pulling the money will be fought all the way to SCOTUS.

 

[NolanVoyd]

That is pretty clear cut.

The President can contact the other school agencies informing them of the ultimatum.

Maybe so, but that is how the 55 MPH speed limit was imposed in the 70's. States lost funding that did not comply.

So **** the first ammendment?

 

[CLAX1911]

You are telling us what you think accreditation should be.

I'm saying what it is.

Tell us in detail what you think it is.

What are the criteria for accreditation?

How is national and regional accreditation constructed?

How is the accreditation process conducted?

Nope

 

[Risky Thicket]

I'm saying what it is.

No you aren't. Prove me wrong.

Nope

Prove me wrong.

 

[CLAX1911]

No you aren't. Prove me wrong.

Not interested.

Prove me wrong.

See above.

 

[Along Came Jones]

You are confusing education with educational standards and certification.

Years ago I used to work on my vehicles. Times and technology far exceeded my educational knowledge and skill and now I rely on mechanics who know what they’re doing.

I understand academic accreditation. I worked as an upper level academic advisor while I was in graduate school. I am very familiar with the process and the purpose.

I know enough about automatic transmissions to leave them up to mechanics who know what they’re doing. No way I’m going to stand in the shop and tell them why or how they do or don’t need to do something.

I was going to ask, "Is that you, Robert Persig?" Then I remembered. He's no longer with us. The post struck me as marking the point where a personal hands-on pursuit of quality loses to technological advancements.

 

[SavannahMann]

In a republic, we elect representatives to make certain decisions.

Interesting. Since the elected representatives decided January 6 was an insurrection. I suppose case closed eh?

 

[Corbell]

When you turned the education industry political, you invited a poliitcal response.

Action, then reaction.


What part of that are you not getting?

 

[reinaert]

Since there is such a strong ethnic quality to fascism, this is actually an ANTI fascist move.

Except, you know, not in Portugal, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Lebanon, Chek's Taiwan, Putin's Russia, the Doc's Haiti, Angola, or Paraguay and Uruguay.

 

[Cosmo]

Well, certainly not Trump that's for sure.

Why not? He's the President that the people elected. Seems like the best person for the job to me, especially since you provided 0 alternatives.

 

[Cosmo]

Interesting. Since the elected representatives decided January 6 was an insurrection. I suppose case closed eh?

Judges are appointed by elected officials and those judges oversee trials of Jan 6 rioters. They have no doubt closed some cases involving individuals rioters already. I have no problem with them doing so. Did you have a point?

 

[Deuce]

Refusing to provide government funds to antisemitic organizations = fascism?

You want the government to decide the truth? Anyone they decide is antisemitic is antisemitic?