Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize[W:117]

[Higgins86]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

You do realize they accepted him as a consumer already, right?

Yeh they did and they used it as an opportunity to voice their concerns. Using their platform to make a political statement.

 

[Henrin]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Yeh they did and they used it as an opportunity to voice their concerns. Using their platform to make a political statement.

So would you approve of bakers serving gays and then making a political statement about gays?

 

[JasperL]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

No, I think truth and shame still work good enough to take care of such extreme incivility as we saw from these lying pricks with delusions of grandeur at Hamilton.

We are going to get to better behavior.

America will insist.

Lying pricks? Where does that come from? And for that matter "extreme incivility." The audience exhibited some of that by booing, which is nearly always uncalled for, but the actor asked them to quit booing.

And "America" has a long history of tolerating and in fact championing the right to protest, and at worst this was a very, very, very mild protest.

 

[Your Star]

So safe spaces are bull**** when you don't want to be raped or harassed, but when a politician goes out they need to be protected from criticism?

Interesting.

 

[Your Star]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Wait --- but I thought progressives were the tolerant ones?

Chastising the intolerant for their intolerance is not itself intolerance.

 

[Your Star]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Also, more Hamilton goodness.

"I'm only 19 but my mind is older. These New York City streets get colder, I shoulder, every burden every disadvantage I've learned to manage I don't have a gun to brandish I walk these streets famished."

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Dinner guests. I'm out. Be well.

 

[radcen]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

I think a lot of people on Both Sides need to grow a little thicker skin. Never see so much whining by both the Losers AND the Winners. Grow Up People:roll:

This.

If anything, this election has shown that liberals and conservatives are exactly the same.

 

[Fiddytree]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Perhaps this is a good time to remind liberals that although Hamilton was a self-made man, he was neither the ambassador for anti-elitism, nor was he particularly interested in diversity (especially religious or spiritual diversity) or mass immigration.

 

[CriticalThought]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

I never said they didn't have a right to speak, but said it wasn't the time for it.

Yes...because the right time to address a government official is when they are not around to hear it. I do recall the first amendment having that clause on not being critical of the government when they are out in public.

 

[CriticalThought]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Perhaps this is a good time to remind liberals that although Hamilton was a self-made man, he was neither the ambassador for anti-elitism, nor was he particularly interested in diversity (especially religious or spiritual diversity).

Thomas Jefferson loved the diversity...bow chicka bow wow.

 

[radcen]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Maybe I'm weary of all the hypocrisy of late, but I find the whole scenario childish. Both the original incident and the "response" from Trump/Pence supporters.

 

[Henrin]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Yes...because the right time to address a government official is when they are not around to hear it. I do recall the first amendment having that clause on not being critical of the government when they are out in public.

Your argument is seriously flawed. My argument is not about their rights or what the first amendment says on the matter. My argument is about how they dealt with the situation and how it is inappropriate.

 

[Higgins86]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

So would you approve of bakers serving gays and then making a political statement about gays?

That's their right to do so. Do you think that banning Pence from the show would of been better?

 

[Fiddytree]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Thomas Jefferson loved the diversity...bow chicka bow wow.

I have to admit, that was a guilty laugh.

 

[Henrin]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

That's their right to do so. Do you think that banning Pence from the show would of been better?

How do you think the left would respond to that? Would they consider that inappropriate? Just so you know, I would agree with them that it is inappropriate, but likely disagree with them as to why.

 

[Henrin]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Also, more Hamilton goodness.

"I'm only 19 but my mind is older. These New York City streets get colder, I shoulder, every burden every disadvantage I've learned to manage I don't have a gun to brandish I walk these streets famished."

What does the gun have to do with anything? It sounds like a something just made up to rhyme, not make sense.

 

[CriticalThought]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Your argument is seriously flawed. My argument is not about their rights or what the first amendment says on the matter. My argument is about how they dealt with the situation and how it is inappropriate.

Exactly. It has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It has to do with how you feel they should have conducted themselves. And the irony still eludes you.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Lying pricks? Where does that come from? And for that matter "extreme incivility." The audience exhibited some of that by booing, which is nearly always uncalled for, but the actor asked them to quit booing.

And "America" has a long history of tolerating and in fact championing the right to protest, and at worst this was a very, very, very mild protest.

That was "Be quiet, I have a better insult ready to go".

I am not impressed.

As for lying pricks I had made that case a couple of times, dont know which thread, having so many going on the same topic is not cool.

As for delusions of grandeur this:

When we first got the call that he was coming, there was certainly a question of what we would do,” he said. “These are the opportunities that you die for.”

“I saw him enjoying it with whoever he was with, and I hope he remembers us. I truly believe we had an affect,” Brandon added. “It was a message from the producers the creative and the cast. If you have differences, say something! What better place than on this stage telling this story with these people? I hope he thinks of us every time he has to deal with an issue or talk about a bill or present anything.”

?Hamilton? Star Responds to Donald Trump?s Apology Demand | Brandon Victor Dixon, Donald Trump, Hamilton, Mike Pence : Just Jared

I'll tell you right now what Pence was almost certainly thinking "These asshole lefties will be easy to roll".

 

[Your Star]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

What does the gun have to do with anything? It sounds like a something just made up to rhyme, not make sense.

It's a reference to several things. First off, which is pretty obvious, it's foreshadowing the duel with Burr. He's not throwing away his shot, and that theme is carried throughout the play and comes to a climax during the duel. And the term "My shot" means my chance. Hamilton, who came from nowhere, took advantage of every shot he had.

Also, they're taking shots throughout this whole song. So, it's pretty straightforward there.

So yeah, lots going on in this musical.

 

[Fenton]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Chastising the intolerant for their intolerance is not itself intolerance.

" Tolerance "...

White Cast Members Need Not Apply. ...
Attorney: ‘Hamilton’ Casting Call Violates City Human Rights Law « CBS New York

 

[Fiddytree]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

It's a reference to several things. First off, which is pretty obvious, it's foreshadowing the duel with Burr. He's not throwing away his shot, and that theme is carried throughout the play and comes to a climax during the duel. And the term "My shot" means my chance. Hamilton, who came from nowhere, took advantage of every shot he had.

Also, they're taking shots throughout this whole song. So, it's pretty straightforward there.

So yeah, lots going on in this musical.

Excluding the duel, of course. Hamilton, to the best of our knowledge, purposefully held back his shot.

 

[Your Star]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Excluding the duel, of course. Hamilton, to the best of our knowledge, purposefully held back his shot.

Oh, of course. He aimed to the sky and didn't fire. In a sense, Hamilton and Burr switched roles here. Regarding the play. For the whole play Burr carefully waits and doesn't make any drastic moves, while Hamilton is full of drastic moves. And when Burr acts like Hamilton and Hamilton like Burr, it leads to their respective downfalls.

 

[Henrin]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Exactly. It has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It has to do with how you feel they should have conducted themselves. And the irony still eludes you.

It has to do with what I think is the proper way to conduct yourself in both situations. If you don't want to bake someone a cake then politely turn them down, and if you bake the cake then don't take it as permission to burden them with your beliefs. The same is true here too btw. Since they served Pence they should treat him with respect and not take it as permission to lecture him about his duties. Also, it would really really help me a great deal that if they did want to lecture someone that they would research the theories they want to use first. Jesus, that stupid error in their speech is bothering me to no end for some reason.

 

[Fiddytree]

Re: Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize

Oh, of course. He aimed to the sky and didn't fire. In a sense, Hamilton and Burr switched roles here. Regarding the play. For the whole play Burr carefully waits and doesn't make any drastic moves, while Hamilton is full of drastic moves. And when Burr acts like Hamilton and Hamilton like Burr, it leads to their respective downfalls.

How is Burr portrayed in the musical? Because the stereotype of Burr was that he held no moral centre, which would contrast with Hamilton's probable reason for holding back his shot--Hamilton wanted to hold to his religious principles, thus holding back in actually firing at Burr while still maintaining his honor (as per the tradition of duels).