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Trump and Kim Jun Un

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From Fox News we are hearing that Trump has agreed it seems on the spur of the moment to meet with the North Korean dictator KJU
who is a smart man.

Does Trump not realize he has given this dictator, with no preconditions,
of a poor and impoverished kingdom the prestige that country has been wanting for decades?

Few people truly realize what Trump has just done.

But I will tell you one thing: KJU has NO intention of ever giving up his nuclear weapons program. Trump will be sorely disappointed.
 
Right, but not just communicating with Iran but making a deal with them is completely above reproach.
 
I'm a hawk and I'm not anti diplomacy. Try something new, try anything before it's shooting time.

I begrudgingly accepted the Iran talks, if not the deal, on the same ground.
 
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Glowpun said:
From Fox News we are hearing that Trump has agreed it seems on the spur of the moment to meet with the North Korean dictator KJU
who is a smart man.

Does Trump not realize he has given this dictator, with no preconditions,
of a poor and impoverished kingdom the prestige that country has been wanting for decades?

Few people truly realize what Trump has just done.

But I will tell you one thing: KJU has NO intention of ever giving up his nuclear weapons program. Trump will be sorely disappointed.
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I don't mind him meeting with Kim Jong-un. It's always been Republicans who insist we shouldn't meet with our enemies. But the best Trump could hope for is something like the Iran deal which he complained about endlessly. NK would at best agree to give up their program and inspections in exchange for lifing of sanctions. NK will then be able to keep building rockets with the extra cash.

You won't hear a peep of criticism from Republicans. If it were Obama we would never hear the end of it.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I don't mind him meeting with Kim Jong-un. It's always been Republicans who insist we shouldn't meet with our enemies. But the best Trump could hope for is something like the Iran deal which he complained about endlessly. NK would at best agree to give up their program and inspections in exchange for lifing of sanctions. NK will then be able to keep building rockets with the extra cash.

You won't hear a peep of criticism from Republicans. If it were Obama we would never hear the end of it.
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I don't mind bringing rouge regimes to the negotiating table. The problem with Obama is that he made too many bad deals. Negotiating wasn't his strong suit. He couldn't even negotiate well with people in his own country.

Obama came from a more academic background.

Trump came from a more business background. He's far more practical and tactful in negotiating.

Those that disagree, the most glaringly obvious point of Obama's inability to negotiate is with his SC pick that couldn't even get a hearing on Congress. He had the bargaining chips in his corner yet he embarrassingly couldn't even get his nominee appointed.

That's just incompetent when you understand he could have appointed his judge during a recess hearing. He failed to even do that.
 
Glowpun said:
From Fox News we are hearing that Trump has agreed it seems on the spur of the moment to meet with the North Korean dictator KJU
who is a smart man.

Does Trump not realize he has given this dictator, with no preconditions,
of a poor and impoverished kingdom the prestige that country has been wanting for decades?

Few people truly realize what Trump has just done.

But I will tell you one thing: KJU has NO intention of ever giving up his nuclear weapons program. Trump will be sorely disappointed.
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Did you just say KJU is a smart man?
 
This thread proves what I have said, Trump could magically cure world famine and be blamed for a world wide obesity epidemic. If Obama did the exact same thing, he would be "a brilliant states man, a peacekeeper". ..............TDS is a terrible thing:roll:
 
Bucky said:
the most glaringly obvious point of Obama's inability to negotiate is with his SC pick that couldn't even get a hearing on Congress. He had the bargaining chips in his corner yet he embarrassingly couldn't even get his nominee appointed.
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You don't make recess appointments to the Supreme Court. McConnell pulled a totally bull**** stunt that Conservative ****heads were in full support of because it suited their agenda.
 
Bucky said:
I don't mind bringing rouge regimes to the negotiating table. The problem with Obama is that he made too many bad deals. Negotiating wasn't his strong suit. He couldn't even negotiate well with people in his own country.

Obama came from a more academic background.

Trump came from a more business background. He's far more practical and tactful in negotiating.

Those that disagree, the most glaringly obvious point of Obama's inability to negotiate is with his SC pick that couldn't even get a hearing on Congress. He had the bargaining chips in his corner yet he embarrassingly couldn't even get his nominee appointed.

That's just incompetent when you understand he could have appointed his judge during a recess hearing. He failed to even do that.
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What a ridiculous rewriting of history. The reason Obama couldn't get his SC nominee appointed is because the GOP had a deliberate policy of refusing to consider him for the role for no other reason than it was Obama's pick. This was a guy the GOP had praised previously and if a GOP president had nominated him, they would have approved him.
 
It looks as though the sanctions may well be hurting North Korea, but I wouldn't get to giddy about it just yet. If it does work out, Trump will take credit for it (as usual) when in all likelyhood, the actual credit should probably go to South Korea. It will also be interesting to see if Kim has done his homework and has learned how to "play" Trump just like China and Russia do.
 
Anyone else suspicious that this sudden and rapid thaw started almost a year to the day that Trump became President? It's almost like KJU's advisors said 'let's wait a year to see what Trump is like and then devise a strategy that's in our best interests'.
 
Vetplus40 said:
You don't make recess appointments to the Supreme Court. McConnell pulled a totally bull**** stunt that Conservative ****heads were in full support of because it suited their agenda.
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Notice the Democrats didn't do that with Trump's pick. You can call it a stunt, but it worked and it was 100% legal and democratic.
 
Bucky said:
Notice the Democrats didn't do that with Trump's pick. You can call it a stunt, but it worked and it was 100% legal and democratic.
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It may have been legal, but it was partisan, highly unethical, and anti-democratic.
 
Vetplus40 said:
It looks as though the sanctions may well be hurting North Korea, but I wouldn't get to giddy about it just yet. If it does work out, Trump will take credit for it (as usual) when in all likelyhood, the actual credit should probably go to South Korea. It will also be interesting to see if Kim has done his homework and has learned how to "play" Trump just like China and Russia do.
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South Korea did nothing to put North Korea on the defense.

It is the unknown of what Trump wold do that is making North Korea come to the table, if this is actually real and not a show for the rest of the world, on the side of NK.
 
I think it's at least interesting to try something new. NK has invited U.S. presidents before, and presidents have said they are open to talks under certain conditions. There is nothing new about that. The difference is that Trump seems convinced that meeting Kim is the answer. I'm not sure why people are so eager to spin this as either being some huge victory or a major defeat. It is just a new approach. Even if it does give NK some sort of prestige that they are looking for I fail to see how that will greatly benefit them.
 
Aristaeus said:
Anyone else suspicious that this sudden and rapid thaw started almost a year to the day that Trump became President? It's almost like KJU's advisors said 'let's wait a year to see what Trump is like and then devise a strategy that's in our best interests'.
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Yup the North is pulling a fast one on Trump and he doesn't even know it.
 
Vetplus40 said:
It will also be interesting to see if Kim has done his homework and has learned how to "play" Trump just like China and Russia do.
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Oh he already has. NK has nothing to lose if they "meet," with us. Trump has his legacy -- and ya know the world.
 
Bucky said:
The problem with Obama is that he made too many bad deals. Negotiating wasn't his strong suit. He couldn't even negotiate well with people in his own country.
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Any deal that Obama made you would call a bad deal. Any deal that Trump makes you'll call a great deal.

So far, Trump hasn't shown himself to be a great negotiator. If he wanted Mexico to pay for the wall, bragging about it and shaming Mexico wasn't the way to go. He wasn't even able to make a deal with his own party for health care. He messed up a deal that both parties agreed to regarding immigration. They don't even want him around during negotiations.

Trump's problem is he's incredibly ignorant regarding policy. He's too busy watching Fox and Friends to study policy and have a grasp of the issues.
 
Glowpun said:
From Fox News we are hearing that Trump has agreed it seems on the spur of the moment to meet with the North Korean dictator KJU
who is a smart man.

Does Trump not realize he has given this dictator, with no preconditions,
of a poor and impoverished kingdom the prestige that country has been wanting for decades?

Few people truly realize what Trump has just done.

But I will tell you one thing: KJU has NO intention of ever giving up his nuclear weapons program. Trump will be sorely disappointed.
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Trump is an idiot and will walk away with nothing while Kim gains international stature. While the short term benefit is that we get a temporary reprieve from two autocrats publicly trading nuclear threats against each other, I'm concerned what Trump, an inherently irrational person, will do once he realizes he's been internationally humiliated.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think it's at least interesting to try something new. NK has invited U.S. presidents before, and presidents have said they are open to talks under certain conditions. There is nothing new about that. The difference is that Trump seems convinced that meeting Kim is the answer. I'm not sure why people are so eager to spin this as either being some huge victory or a major defeat. It is just a new approach. Even if it does give NK some sort of prestige that they are looking for I fail to see how that will greatly benefit them.
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I caught a "Breaking News" banner on Faux last night. It said, "Rocket Man Blinks". Seems that they think Trump backed lil' Kim into a corner and forced his hand. I don't see that at all.

The list of countries that had nuclear weapons and gave them up is rather short, but at least it seems that Trump is trying to do something I can support. That's rare.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I caught a "Breaking News" banner on Faux last night. It said, "Rocket Man Blinks". Seems that they think Trump backed lil' Kim into a corner and forced his hand. I don't see that at all.

The list of countries that had nuclear weapons and gave them up is rather short, but at least it seems that Trump is trying to do something I can support. That's rare.
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One could argue that Kim Jong Un is the one who scored the bigger diplomatic victory. He got an American leader to meet with him as a equal, North Korea the rogue nation is being treated as a major power by the most powerful country in the world. And he got that meeting while giving up nothing.
 
Vetplus40 said:
It looks as though the sanctions may well be hurting North Korea, but I wouldn't get to giddy about it just yet. If it does work out, Trump will take credit for it (as usual) when in all likelyhood, the actual credit should probably go to South Korea. It will also be interesting to see if Kim has done his homework and has learned how to "play" Trump just like China and Russia do.
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Well then lets go to the horses mouth, shall we?



The S Korean president can say all he wants, I mean what does he know? I am sure it wasnt truly Trump, however,everyone, EVERYONE, knows it was really Obama's policy of "Strategic Pa...Paaaa .....PaaaaBWWWWWWAHAHAHAhahahahaha

Sorry, gasp gasp, I couldnt say that with a straight fa fa Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa...aha...aha

You re killing me, man....
 
Mason66 said:
South Korea did nothing to put North Korea on the defense.

It is the unknown of what Trump wold do that is making North Korea come to the table, if this is actually real and not a show for the rest of the world, on the side of NK.
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LOL This was just a stunt. Today we hear that there will be no meeting until Kim makes concrete steps to "denuclearize". In other words,....never mind.
 
Glowpun said:
From Fox News we are hearing that Trump has agreed it seems on the spur of the moment to meet with the North Korean dictator KJU
who is a smart man.

Does Trump not realize he has given this dictator, with no preconditions,
of a poor and impoverished kingdom the prestige that country has been wanting for decades?

Few people truly realize what Trump has just done.

But I will tell you one thing: KJU has NO intention of ever giving up his nuclear weapons program. Trump will be sorely disappointed.
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We simply need to negotiate a good rate with the World Bank, to establish a petty cash fund for, "regime change ebt cards".

One Korea should be no problem, then.

Open borders, all the way!
 
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