Trump: ‘The entire database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED!’ (1 Viewer)

[Brack]

No, they’re not. Many state legislatures saw GOP gains. They lost ten seats in the US House while some predicted a Blue Wave.

Republicans did maintain control of the State Legislature in this state, but they lost one State Senate seat here. Link

 

[trouble13]

You are confused, the Maricopa Co Board of Supervisors refused to attend that MEETING, not the audit held at the Fairgrounds.

but don't stop.....please.....continue....

I will continue since you seem to be uninformed.

They did not want to do the audit at the fair grounds. They wanted to do the audit wherever the ballots were and to keep them in the possession of the board with them present. The ballots were moved after the board refused that request.

 

[roguenuke]

Sorry it was a typo. I meant either show up in person and not sign it or mail it with your signature on it

Why? There is no reason those sending in a mail in ballot should lose their right to a secret ballot simply because you think that will somehow prevent some sort of fraud. You have no evidence to support actual significant levels of mail in ballot fraud to begin with, but especially not to justify removing secrecy from mail in votes.

 

[roguenuke]

Fine, put your signature on your ballot so it can be traced back to you

No. It is on the envelope, and there are plenty of checks there. There is no reason to put it on the ballot itself.

 

[trouble13]

That is an ignorant comment based on false premise that AZ, or Maricopa Co, has had issues with elections. We haven't, there is NO BASIS for your argument.

The topic was making mail in voting available to everyone. AZ has never done that.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I will continue since you seem to be uninformed.

They did not want to do the audit at the fair grounds. They wanted to do the audit wherever the ballots were and to keep them in the possession of the board with them present. The ballots were moved after the board refused that request.

Uh, Maricopa county is not required to provide facilities for a STATE SENATE ordered audit by a PRIVATE entity contracted by the SENATE.

You just keep trying to swing a wider and wider argument, but it keeps wrapping around your ankles.

But go on....

 

[trouble13]

whats wrong with the signature on the ballot envelope?

Fair question.....

Let's say for every 100 signed envelopes you have 101 ballots. Where did that extra ballot come from? You have no way of knowing and you have no way of determining which ballot is not matched to an envelope. How do you rectify that?

 

[trouble13]

Why? There is no reason those sending in a mail in ballot should lose their right to a secret ballot simply because you think that will somehow prevent some sort of fraud. You have no evidence to support actual significant levels of mail in ballot fraud to begin with, but especially not to justify removing secrecy from mail in votes.

Post 732 answers your question

 

[BlueTex]

Fair question.....

Let's say for every 100 signed envelopes you have 101 ballots. Where did that extra ballot come from? You have no way of knowing and you have no way of determining which ballot is not matched to an envelope. How do you rectify that?

You don’t think that scenario is already addressed in the process for validating mail in ballots?

Can that scenario happen with in person ballots?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The topic was making mail in voting available to everyone. AZ has never done that.

No, your argument is about "signing ballots" to verify the voter, again with the premise there is an issue. there isn't in Arizona.

 

[mike2810]

I believe in everyone living by the same standards.

What standard is that?

 

[trouble13]

Uh, Maricopa county is not required to provide facilities for a STATE SENATE ordered audit by a PRIVATE entity contracted by the SENATE.

You just keep trying to swing a wider and wider argument, but it keeps wrapping around your ankles.

But go on....

I did not say they were required. I would not know if they were.

 

[Grand Mal]

The investigation was started based on going in search of crime that never happened. It was based on suspicion. The audit is based on the standard. The objection to this audit are without merit.

A no-bid contract handed to a company with no experience in the work and funded secretly.
Yeah, not at all suspicious.

 

[Grand Mal]

The operative word in the post you quoted is "IF" they are doing a professional evaluation.

My take , Cyber Ninjas and their sub contractors are far from doing a professional evaluation.

They can't possibly do a professional evaluation. They have no experience in the field. They have to be making it up as they go along.

 

[mike2810]

I will continue since you seem to be uninformed.

They did not want to do the audit at the fair grounds. They wanted to do the audit wherever the ballots were and to keep them in the possession of the board with them present. The ballots were moved after the board refused that request.

It was the BOS call if they were to let a private non certified company use its space.
The Senate (Fann) is responsible to secure space for their contract. The BOS is not part of the management of the contract.

asking for your opinion.
Would you provide space for an audit that you do not believe is necessary? Keep in mind that two audits had already been completed by certified auditors.

 

[trouble13]

You don’t think that scenario is already addressed in the process for validating mail in ballots?

Can that scenario happen with in person ballots?

It can happen in person but their are steps in place to limit it. A person physically checks a person in before voting and they only are given 1 ballot. So a person can not cast 2 votes at once.
If it does happen we can narrow it down to which precinct the problem is in and in some cases which machine. So at least we can verify all the votes from other voter stations. The mail in system would call all the votes into question instead of just some of them because there's no verification process in place

 

[mike2810]

They can't possibly do a professional evaluation. They have no experience in the field. They have to be making it up as they go along.

Very true. It is also very alarming the amount of private money flowing directly to Cyber Ninjas. Donations that Cyber Ninjas has told the Senate they will report on the funds when the audit is over. The Senate has lost control of the audit.

 

[trouble13]

It was the BOS call if they were to let a private non certified company use its space.
The Senate (Fann) is responsible to secure space for their contract. The BOS is not part of the management of the contract.

asking for your opinion.
Would you provide space for an audit that you do not believe is necessary? Keep in mind that two audits had already been completed by certified auditors.

Yes I would provide them space and make every effort possible to cooperate in every way possible even if I thought the audit was of time and money.

 

[Grand Mal]

The topic was making mail in voting available to everyone. AZ has never done that.

"In 1991, the Legislature allowed Arizona voters to request an absentee ballot for any reason. Before the change in the law, a voter requesting an absentee ballot had to prove they could not make it to the polls on election day."

Arizona’s long history with voting by mail

Arizona voters have cast ballots by mail for nearly three decades.

news.azpm.org

 

[trouble13]

What standard is that?

In this case, the standard by which investigations are conducted.

 

[trouble13]

A no-bid contract handed to a company with no experience in the work and funded secretly.
Yeah, not at all suspicious.

You should be suspicious and skeptical.

 

[trouble13]

"In 1991, the Legislature allowed Arizona voters to request an absentee ballot for any reason. Before the change in the law, a voter requesting an absentee ballot had to prove they could not make it to the polls on election day."

Arizona’s long history with voting by mail

Arizona voters have cast ballots by mail for nearly three decades.

news.azpm.org

Thanks for the info

 

[mike2810]

Yes I would provide them space and make every effort possible to cooperate in every way possible even if I thought the audit was of time and money.

Noted. Another "if" statement.

So IF you didn't think the "audit was of time and money" you would not provide space.

Seems to me the has made it clear the Cyber Ninjas audit was a waste of time and money. Thanks for confirming you agree with the BOS decision

 

[mike2810]

In this case, the standard by which investigations are conducted.

and those standards are?

(we can play this game if you choose to give such vague answers).

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I did not say they were required. I would not know if they were.

Uh, you don't remember what you said:

"They wanted to do the audit wherever the ballots were and to keep them in the possession of the board with them present."

The ballots were stored at Maricopa Co high security facilities, ergo for the grifters to audit the ballots "wherever the ballots were" would require the County to provide access to the grifters at County facilities.

No, sorry, not when the Senate is paying for a bunch of grifters to incompetently go through AZ ballots.