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Trump’s Running Tab in the Abrego Garcia Case

“When they came in the night in masks for the immigrants I said nothing….”
So you figure that if illegal alien criminals, criminal gang members, and those who have been ordered out of the country by an immigration court are, in fact, deported, that you will be? Are you a citizen?

And you seem to think that ICE wearing masks is a bad idea. Why?
 
So you figure that if illegal alien criminals, criminal gang members, and those who have been ordered out of the country by an immigration court are, in fact, deported, that you will be? Are you a citizen?

And you seem to think that ICE wearing masks is a bad idea. Why?
AI Overview (Google)
Criticisms and Concerns:
  • Critics argue that masked ICE agents create an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, particularly in communities with large immigrant populations.

  • The practice is compared to tactics used by authoritarian regimes, raising concerns about transparency and accountability.

  • Some argue that the widespread use of masks obscures the identities of agents and makes it difficult to identify misconduct or errors during raids.

  • New York City Bar Association has expressed concern about the practice, calling it an attempt to evade accountability.

  • Democratic lawmakers in California and New York are pushing for legislation to ban or limit the use of masks by ICE agents during enforcement actions.
 
Abrego Garcia was given a deportation order on March 29, 2019. He appealed that order and it was confirmed, with the provision that he not be deported to El Salvador. It isn't a question of guilt or innocence. It's a matter of due process. Deportation orders don't expire so, now that he is back in this country, he should be deported to some other country.

Garcia was ordered out of the country 6 years before Bondi got her job. Her role now should be just to insure that the order is executed.

That and the rest of your post have absolutely no bearing on the existence of the deportation order. It was issued by an immigration court and judge in accordance with due process. He should be released from jail and immediately deported.

Garcia asylum was denied 6 years ago true. He was ordered deported true. However the same judge then put a hold on the deportation so he wouldn't be deported back to ES.

The Trump Administration (#45) did nothing to proceed with deportation. They accepted the temporary status making him legal and even issued him a work permit to gain employment.

You remember who was President in 2019?

To deport Abrego Garcia all they had to do was identify a 3rd country willing to accept, go back to the immigration judge and get the hold lifted, then proceed with deportation. But instead the Trump Administration allowed him to say.

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Critics argue that masked ICE agents create an atmosphere of fear
I'd argue that what creates an atmosphere of fear and intimidation is (a) the people on the left who tell minorities that they can all be deported even if they are citizens, and (b) the failure of those same agitators to honestly state who is at risk of being deported, i.e., criminals, members of criminal gangs and people under orders of removal by a court.
Some argue that the widespread use of masks obscures the identities of agents and makes it difficult to identify misconduct or errors during raids.
I would argue that it protects the lives of the agents and their families. If SCOTUS Justices lives are threatened, how much more at risk would "ordinary citizens" be?
Of course they have. They're mostly defense lawyers who don't want their clients to be removed at all.
Democratic lawmakers in California and New York are pushing for legislation to ban or limit the use of masks by ICE agents during enforcement actions.
Yep. They're Democrats.

Now, I realize that I'm arguing with a machine. That just makes me wonder why, when I asked about your opinion, you didn't answer for yourself.
 
So you figure that if illegal alien criminals, criminal gang members, and those who have been ordered out of the country by an immigration court are, in fact, deported, that you will be? Are you a citizen?

And you seem to think that ICE wearing masks is a bad idea. Why?
Rounding up and taking away is rounding up and taking away.

And masks are a common costume.

The final rounds of global capitalism will require authoritarianism as democracies will never tolerate the deprivation that will entail.

Those already enjoying authoritarianism are getting ahead of our capitalists.

And we can’t have that!

(History is replete with those taking your position. I can’t recall any of them being lauded as heros in history books)
 
I'd argue that what creates an atmosphere of fear and intimidation is (a) the people on the left who tell minorities that they can all be deported even if they are citizens, and (b) the failure of those same agitators to honestly state who is at risk of being deported, i.e., criminals, members of criminal gangs and people under orders of removal by a court.

I would argue that it protects the lives of the agents and their families. If SCOTUS Justices lives are threatened, how much more at risk would "ordinary citizens" be?

Of course they have. They're mostly defense lawyers who don't want their clients to be removed at all.

Yep. They're Democrats.

Now, I realize that I'm arguing with a machine. That just makes me wonder why, when I asked about your opinion, you didn't answer for yourself.
Yet I see cops all the time and they don’t wear masks and wear badges with numbers that one can read.

How do you reconcile that with your position?
 
But instead the Trump Administration allowed him to say.
As did the Biden Administration. At the time, he was merely one out of millions off illegal aliens. The focus of the Trump Administration was to stop the inflow. The focus of the Biden Administration was to increase it. Not until this year has an effort been made to remove the most dangerous of the people that Biden allowed in, following some horrific murders and rapes of children by some of those folks. Garcia is a known wife beater, a suspected member of MS13 and a suspected human trafficker. Those factors and his existing removal order are enough to deport him. He was mistakenly sent to El Salvador. Now that the error has been corrected, he should be deported to another country that will accept him. He most likely would be if his attorneys would allow him to be released from jail.
 
Rounding up and taking away is rounding up and taking away.
And it's exactly that kind of BS that instills fear in the minority communities. Aren't you proud?
The final rounds of global capitalism will require authoritarianism as democracies will never tolerate the deprivation that will entail.
Where's that from? Das Kapital?
Those already enjoying authoritarianism are getting ahead of our capitalists.
Your political leaning is shown as "Other." I guess that's been clarified now.
 
Yet I see cops all the time and they don’t wear masks and wear badges with numbers that one can read.
Yes, and you see them mostly doing traffic stops. You don't usually see them policing where the population has been told, with signs, demonstrations and riots, that the police are coming for them. The police try to instill confidence, even respect, in many locations. But a sad result of that is that over 1,000 police have been murdered every year, with the number increasing every year to 1,353 in 2024.

But as I think about it, is that the result you want among ICE agents?
 
And it's exactly that kind of BS that instills fear in the minority communities. Aren't you proud?

Where's that from? Das Kapital?

Your political leaning is shown as "Other." I guess that's been clarified now.
Well, I’m a second amendment liberal, as disarming the population is one of the tyrant tools the Constitution denies to our government so don’t fit exactly with what you describe. I oppose masked unidentifiable and therefore unaccountable “law enforcement” as well as ignoring habeas corpus because the Constitution is a tyrant defense system. I feel justified in declaring any tool of tyranny that came into use since it was drafted unconstitutional as well. In honor of The Experiment.

What I actually am is neurodivergent and all y’all seem kinda crazy to me. So my positions are my own and not cookie cutter.

Why yall do what you do confounded the hell out of me until I realized I just don’t have your instinct sets so my stimulus/response patterns are different than yours. And it also makes me partially naturally immune to propaganda as its primary tools leverage instinctive responses/emotional reactions.

So you go with your assessment. I’ve always found such to provide me with a tactical advantage!
 
Yes, and you see them mostly doing traffic stops. You don't usually see them policing where the population has been told, with signs, demonstrations and riots, that the police are coming for them. The police try to instill confidence, even respect, in many locations. But a sad result of that is that over 1,000 police have been murdered every year, with the number increasing every year to 1,353 in 2024.

But as I think about it, is that the result you want among ICE agents?
Nah.

I don’t even hope that an imposter will hurt you or yours. But I won’t feel sorry for you if they do.

That will just be Karma.

And she’s a bitch!
 
I'd argue that what creates an atmosphere of fear and intimidation is (a) the people on the left who tell minorities that they can all be deported even if they are citizens, and (b) the failure of those same agitators to honestly state who is at risk of being deported, i.e., criminals, members of criminal gangs and people under orders of removal by a court.
I'd argue you're okay with this. They didn't like Libs and foreigners either.

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I would argue that it protects the lives of the agents and their families. If SCOTUS Justices lives are threatened, how much more at risk would "ordinary citizens" be?
You would argue from a point of ignorance.
Of course they have. They're mostly defense lawyers who don't want their clients to be removed at all.
So you don't respect the right to counsel. Figures.
Yep. They're Democrats.
And you're hard core Maga, that's how your posts come across.
Now, I realize that I'm arguing with a machine. That just makes me wonder why, when I asked about your opinion, you didn't answer for yourself.
I answered, you just don't respect how I answered.
 
I'm afraid the publicity given to him has caused the focus. But why do libs want to keep him in this country?
Because he has US citizen family members here, has been ordered to be protected from deportation to El Salvador by the US, and because we are not vindictive, sadistic assholes like Trump, who cannot accept that he made a mistake.

Our strange president is a guy who couldn’t admit that he made a mistake with the Central Park Five, who said he doesn’t have to ask God for forgiveness.
 
Well, I’m a second amendment liberal, as disarming the population is one of the tyrant tools the Constitution denies to our government so don’t fit exactly with what you describe. I oppose masked unidentifiable and therefore unaccountable “law enforcement” as well as ignoring habeas corpus because the Constitution is a tyrant defense system. I feel justified in declaring any tool of tyranny that came into use since it was drafted unconstitutional as well. In honor of The Experiment.

What I actually am is neurodivergent and all y’all seem kinda crazy to me. So my positions are my own and not cookie cutter.

Why yall do what you do confounded the hell out of me until I realized I just don’t have your instinct sets so my stimulus/response patterns are different than yours. And it also makes me partially naturally immune to propaganda as its primary tools leverage instinctive responses/emotional reactions.

So you go with your assessment. I’ve always found such to provide me with a tactical advantage!

Worth keeping in mind that gun ownership in this country has protected oppression much more than liberty.
 
I'd argue you're okay with this. They didn't like Libs and foreigners either.
See how easy it is to make a fool of yourself? I've been married to a foreigner for almost half a century. I like 'em just fine.
 
So you figure that if illegal alien criminals, criminal gang members, and those who have been ordered out of the country by an immigration court are, in fact, deported, that you will be? Are you a citizen?

And you seem to think that ICE wearing masks is a bad idea. Why?

They're thugs. People hate the, with good reason. Thryre far more dangerous than most of the people they're seizing.
 
See how easy it is to make a fool of yourself? I've been married to a foreigner for almost half a century. I like 'em just fine.
Sure, but your words betray you. Trump's married to an alien as well yet he is still prosecuting a war against the "brown" ones. Got a point?
 
Because he has US citizen family members here,
So it's OK to enter the country illegally and beat the crap out of your wife, as long as you get married here. The question is rhetorical. Your answer doesn't matter.
 
They're thugs. People hate the, with good reason. Thryre far more dangerous than most of the people they're seizing.
And you and others make sure that word gets spread so that people will be afraid. Congratulations.
 
So it's OK to enter the country illegally and beat the crap out of your wife, as long as you get married here. The question is rhetorical. Your answer doesn't matter.

The adjudicated rapist won't stand for it.

People change. His wife says he has. She wants him back. Why put her through this misery?
 
And you and others make sure that word gets spread so that people will be afraid. Congratulations.

You like people being afraid. Trump is so perfect for you. Easily the most sadistically cruel president I have ever seen.
 
Sure, but your words betray you. Trump's married to an alien as well yet he is still prosecuting a war against the "brown" ones. Got a point?
Yes. There is no "war against the brown ones." People from all around the world, most who have been before a court and been ordered removed from the country, are being removed, exactly as the courts said they should be.

You should be able to answer a simple question. Do you believe that people who a court has ordered removed from the country, should be deported?
 
People change. His wife says he has. She wants him back. Why put her through this misery?
Because a court has twice ordered him to be removed from the country. I feel some sympathy for his family but, unless he lied to her about his illegal status, she knew that there was a risk that he might be ordered out of the country.
 
Yes. There is no "war against the brown ones." People from all around the world, most who have been before a court and been ordered removed from the country, are being removed, exactly as the courts said they should be.
No, unless you got the stats to prove your claim.
You should be able to answer a simple question. Do you believe that people who a court has ordered removed from the country, should be deported?
No, not arbitrarily.
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