Trump’s Running Tab in the Abrego Garcia Case

[j brown's body]

It's that you want to keep people like him in the country?

No it doesn't he's an illegal alien he needs to go.

He's not innocent he's an illegal alien that has been determined.

Too bad that to the country elected.

Again too bad.

I didn't want Joe Biden to trade The merchant of death for some 3rd string basketball player.

No you saw it made up stories saying he lied about it but that was a media fabrication you shouldn't believe those.

Now we get to use our justice system to prosecute foreign Nationals are a tax dollars go to solve problems that were already solved.

They weren't prosecuting him they just sent him to his own country.

There's nothing to prosecute him for he just needs to leave get out he's an illegal alien.

I'm the legal system is acting to usurp the citizens and put it into democracy.

See whether you like this or not the American people voted for Donald Trump and they voted for him because he was going to deport people like this.

The overwhelmingly want this. And the Democratic process is not in question he won the popular vote he won every swing state he won in every way imaginable probably because of this.

What do you mean treat you fairly if you're an illegal alien you go back home that's it how is that not fair?

6 months ago we had an illegal alien crisis because the two-figure heads that ran the party were to incompetent to tie their shoes and whoever was actually running it seemed to be desperate to end the US.

The last Trump administration made him legal and gave him a work permit.

You don't seem to mind the suffering his family is going through.

 

[Lursa]

A foreigner trafficking foreigners? Maybe just let the foreign government(s) "seek justice."

What would the charge be in the foreign country?

 

[Bodecea]

Bull.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

It's not that we want to keep him in this country; whether he deserves to go remains to be seen. But we sure don't want to see a possibly innocent man swept up by an untrustworthy system.

Abrego Garcia was given a deportation order on March 29, 2019. He appealed that order and it was confirmed, with the provision that he not be deported to El Salvador. It isn't a question of guilt or innocence. It's a matter of due process. Deportation orders don't expire so, now that he is back in this country, he should be deported to some other country.

I don't trust the trump DOJ to prosecute the laws fairly. Bondi got her job because as Florida's AG

Garcia was ordered out of the country 6 years before Bondi got her job. Her role now should be just to insure that the order is executed.

We have already seen trump lie about the guy's tattoos,

That and the rest of your post have absolutely no bearing on the existence of the deportation order. It was issued by an immigration court and judge in accordance with due process. He should be released from jail and immediately deported.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Except now he is married to an American and has a child. Circumstances have changed and the case is subject due to a re-examination.

Being married and having a child are not conditions that prevent deportation. He was married and had a child when the order was issued 6 years ago.

The problem is we are seeing a lot of this. The Army vet who was sent back to Korea because he used drugs to deal with PTSD.

That may or may not be. But it has nothing to do with Abrego Garcia and his deportation order.

 

[Cosmo]

What would the charge be in the foreign country?

That's up to them to decide.

 

[JoeB131]

Being married and having a child are not conditions that prevent deportation. He was married and had a child when the order was issued 6 years ago.

That may or may not be. But it has nothing to do with Abrego Garcia and his deportation order.

The last Trump administration also stayed that order and gave him a work permit.

A reasonable thing to do would be to evaluate his situation now. Since then, he's raised a family and worked in his community.

This whole thing started because Trump made a mistake and deported him in error.

Instead of doing what most decent people do, which is to admit that they made a mistake and try to correct it, Trump and his goons are doubling down by filing charges even they know are bogus so they can legally deport this guy.

Come on, giving people a ride to a work site is "Human trafficking"? Give me a break.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Abrego Garcia was given a deportation order on March 29, 2019. He appealed that order and it was confirmed, with the provision that he not be deported to El Salvador. It isn't a question of guilt or innocence. It's a matter of due process. Deportation orders don't expire so, now that he is back in this country, he should be deported to some other country.

These people aren't just getting deported. They are going to a prison in El Salvador. Explain that.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

The last Trump administration also stayed that order and gave him a work permit.

Nope. It gave him a "withholding of removal" in 2019, which prohibited the Department of Homeland Security from deporting him to El Salvador. It did not prohibit his removal to any other country. He was given a work permit so he could support himself and his family until he was removed.

A reasonable thing to do would be to evaluate his situation now. Since then, he's raised a family and worked in his community.

So what? Raising a family (and beating his wife) is not permission to remain in the country.

This whole thing started because Trump made a mistake and deported him in error.

That's right. And that error has been corrected.

Instead of doing what most decent people do,

What most decent people do is obey the law. Garcia didn't. Most decent people don't beat their wives. Garcia did, more than once. Is Garcia a "decent person?"

Come on, giving people a ride to a work site is "Human trafficking"?

That has to be decided in court, if he doesn't get deported first based on the 2019 order.

 

[JoeB131]

These people aren't just getting deported. They are going to a prison in El Salvador. Explain that.

Unfortunately, it's having the desired effect.

Border crossings are down to a trickle from where they were two years ago, because people are afraid to come here now. I suspect a lot of people are self-deporting because they don't want to end up in a Salvadoran prison.

On the logistics end, Trump has the same problem Biden had; at best, you can only deport 400,000 a year. But if you can terrorize them into self-deporting or never showing up in the first place, you have a reasonable chance of putting a dent in those numbers, at least in the short term.

In the long term, though, people will just figure out new ways to beat the system. Instead of making dubious asylum claims, they'll go back to just sneaking in across the border or overstaying visas.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

These people aren't just getting deported. They are going to a prison in El Salvador. Explain that.

Abrego Garcia was deported to El Salvador in error.
El Salvador had agreed to accept deportees when the home countries of others (Venezeula, Colombia, etc) would not.
(What does it say about the deportees when their home country won't accept it's own citizens to be sent back?)

 

[Pyrite]

"The administration is cutting deals with felons, driving out federal prosecutors, and threatening to abandon its criminal case—all to avoid admitting error.

The Trump administration’s long, belabored campaign to prove that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a gang leader, a terrorist, and an all-around bad guy—not a wrongfully deported Maryland man—has produced some extraordinary legal maneuvers. The administration fought Abrego Garcia’s return from El Salvador all the way to the Supreme Court, lost, and eventually brought him back to the United States to slap him with criminal charges it had started investigating after it had already sent him to a foreign prison. But with that criminal case off to a shaky start, the administration is threatening to deport Abrego Garcia again—this time to a country other than his native El Salvador—because the judge has ordered his release while the trial is pending. Having spent months trying to gather evidence against Abrego Garcia, the administration is suggesting it may walk away from it all by sending him to Mexico, Guatemala, or another nation willing to take him.

The threat of Abrego Garcia’s imminent re-deportation prompted his attorneys to take the extraordinary step today of asking a district court to delay their client’s release and keep him locked up for several more weeks to protect him from ICE. “The irony of this request is not lost on anyone,” his attorneys told the court. “In a just world, he would not seek to prolong his detention further.” The lawyers accused the government of pretending to want Abrego Garcia to face “American justice,” while really only wanting to “convict him in the court of public opinion.”

The head-spinning developments of the past several days add to the administration’s running tab in a case that has challenged its determination to admit no wrongdoing. The case has produced nearly 57,000 pages of documents; ended the Department of Justice careers of one, perhaps two, prosecutors; and prompted the Trump administration to cut deals with convicted felons that protect them from deportation in exchange for testimony. ...Trump and his top officials have said for months that their mass-deportation campaign would prioritize the swift removal of criminals from the United States. But in its effort to punish Abrego Garcia—who does not have a criminal record—the administration is protecting convicted felons from deportation."

Link


This country's leader is very sick man indeed.

Thanks for posting the link to this Atlantic article. Later tonight, when I have time to read it, I'll post some excerpts. (If I remember, that is....)

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. It gave him a "withholding of removal" in 2019, which prohibited the Department of Homeland Security from deporting him to El Salvador. It did not prohibit his removal to any other country. He was given a work permit so he could support himself and his family until he was removed.

Why would they deport him to a third country? That would be silly. the fact that they gave hiim a work permit indicates they intended him to stay here.

So what? Raising a family (and beating his wife) is not permission to remain in the country.

No evidence he beat his wife. His wife got a restraining order, like a lot of couples going through a rough patch do.

That's right. And that error has been corrected.

No, that error has been compounded by bogus charges.

Here's the thing you don't get. If the government can use its full machinery to ruin the life of Abrego-Garcia, they can do it to you or me or anyone else.

What most decent people do is obey the law. Garcia didn't. Most decent people don't beat their wives. Garcia did, more than once. Is Garcia a "decent person?"

Probably a more decent person than the creeps who stormed our Capitol on January 6th, 2021, but those people all got pardons and were allowed to resume their lives.

That has to be decided in court, if he doesn't get deported first based on the 2019 order.

Or we could do the decent thing and just admit the mistake and let him get on with his life.

I'd rather have him supporting his three kids than the state.

 

[JoeB131]

Abrego Garcia was deported to El Salvador in error.
El Salvador had agreed to accept deportees when the home countries of others (Venezeula, Colombia, etc) would not.
(What does it say about the deportees when their home country won't accept it's own citizens to be sent back?)

What is says is that they don't have enough jobs for them, and we do.

We could solve the immigration problem with a vigorous guest worker program. You work here for two years, you are required to go home for a year, and then you can apply for a new work visa. If you don't go back on your date, you are ineligible for future consideration.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Abrego Garcia was deported to El Salvador in error.
El Salvador had agreed to accept deportees when the home countries of others (Venezeula, Colombia, etc) would not.
(What does it say about the deportees when their home country won't accept it's own citizens to be sent back?)

What El Salvador agreed to is not the issue. You can buy prisons all over the world with USD, and you can also buy tinpot dictators willing to keep people in crappy jails regardless of whether or not they deserve to be there, or went through some legal process at all.

Sending people to that prison was no mistake, that's what trump wanted all along. The mistake was the guy they sent, who is apparently pretty clean.

You guys are trying to spray air freshener all over this, but what trump is doing stinks of authoritarianism and is a breakdown of lawful society. Six months ago, we were a respected nation. Now, we are grabbing people, mostly good people, out of their homes with masked agents in unmarked vans, and whisking them away to detention camps and foreign jails.

 

[CLAX1911]

The last Trump administration made him legal and gave him a work permit.

You don't seem to mind the suffering his family is going through.

Is any beating his wife using to want to continue the suffering his family is going through.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Is any beating his wife using to want to continue the suffering his family is going through.

Is English your first language?

SOMEBODY CALL ICE!

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Why would they deport him to a third country? That would be silly. the fact that they gave hiim a work permit indicates they intended him to stay here.

They would deport him and others to a third country if the home country would not accept them back into the home country, but the person had no right to remain in this country and had been ordered removed by an immigration court ("due process"). Presumably he was given a work permit so he could earn a living and not be dependent on taxpayers until his deportation.

No evidence he beat his wife. His wife got a restraining order,

In order to get the restraining order, she testified that he beat her.

No, that error has been compounded by bogus charges.

The error of sending him to El Salvador has been corrected. He's back here.You are not a one person investigator, judge or jury and don't know if his current charges are bogus or not.

Probably a more decent person than the creeps

He is a more decent person than an illegal alien who rapes and murders his victim, too, but neither has any right to be in this country.

Or we could do the decent thing and just admit the mistake and let him get on with his life.

"The decent thing" is to obey the law.

I'd rather have him supporting his three kids than the state.

By your thinking, then, if an illegal alien has a child in this country the law against illegal immigration is waived. Sounds like a pretty easy way to avoid being deported.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Bull.

Denial

 

[RetiredAtLast]

What is says is that they don't have enough jobs for them, and we do.

Bull. It says they don't want his type in their country.

We could solve the immigration problem with a vigorous guest worker program.

No, we could solve an employment problem with a good guest worker program.

 

[JoeB131]

They would deport him and others to a third country if the home country would not accept them back into the home country, but the person had no right to remain in this country and had been ordered removed by an immigration court ("due process"). Presumably he was given a work permit so he could earn a living and not be dependent on taxpayers until his deportation.

Except they were fine with letting him stay in this country for six years, where he raised a family and contributed to society.

The error of sending him to El Salvador has been corrected. He's back here.You are not a one person investigator, judge or jury and don't know if his current charges are bogus or not.

I know that Trump and his lickspittles are a bunch of liars. I don't think I need much more than that, but common sense tells me that if the officers who pulled him over eight years ago didn't have probable cause to arrest him for human trafficking, the charge is kind of bogus now.

that Trump is giving a pass to real criminals to testify against Garcia shows how corrupt his case is.

"The decent thing" is to obey the law.

Sure. Write laws that make sense, and people will be happy to obey them.

You could end the illegal alien problem pretty quickly if you went after the white people who hire them. Trump is already backing off on deporting agricultural workers, because he's facing the potential of food shortages.

 

[CLAX1911]

Is English your first language?

SOMEBODY CALL ICE!

Yes English is my first language why do you keep asking me that?

 

[JoeB131]

No, we could solve an employment problem with a good guest worker program.

Um, I just said that.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Sending people to that prison was no mistake, that's what trump wanted all along. The mistake was the guy they sent, who is apparently pretty clean.

Your comment about what Trump wanted is pure TDS. The mistake was in sending him to El Salvador when his deportation order said not to.

You guys are trying to spray air freshener all over this, but what trump is doing stinks of authoritarianism and is a breakdown of lawful society.

What Is happening to Garcia now is in accordance with the law. Maybe it's not a law that you like, but that's just too bad.

Now, we are grabbing people, mostly good people, out of their homes with masked agents in unmarked vans, and whisking them away to detention camps and foreign jails.

Now we are "grabbing" people who are either criminals or who have had due process and been ordered, by a court, out of the country.
Why do you want to keep either one of those groups in this country?

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Um, I just said that.

No, you said, "We could solve the immigration problem..."