Trump’s “Christian” supporters do not follow a central message of Jesus

[Daisy]

The proper authority was given to man. Correct ?

God could kill everyone that murdered anyone, correct? But He gave to man that authority to take mans life that has murdered someone.

Lees

Every man? No...

 

[Lees]

Every man? No...

(Gen. 9:6) doesn't say every man. I have not said every man.

(Gen. 9:6) says 'by man shall his blood be shed' .

So, though God could take everymans life who murdered, He has given man the authority to take the murderers life. Correct?

Lees

 

[Daisy]

(Gen. 9:6) doesn't say every man. I have not said every man.

(Gen. 9:6) says 'by man shall his blood be shed' .

So, though God could take everymans life who murdered, He has given man the authority to take the murderers life. Correct?

Lees

So, maybe you should clarify your point...I'm not getting what you are trying to say...

 

[Alter2Ego]

Yes, really. If you don't want to make a difference in how you live where you are, you don't have to. But please don't complain about the world situation if you refuse to do nothing about it.

The verses you give do not say to do nothing while we are in the world.

Do you just sit at home and do nothing? Do you go or did you go to public schools? Do you work to obtain money to feed yourself and others? Do you put away savings for a future day? Why would you do any of those woldly things since we are not of the world?

Lees

Lees:

Satan the Devil is currently running the show on earth, according to scripture. What is it about that don't you get?

Revelation 12:7​

And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled

Revelation 12:8​

but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

Revelation 12:9​

So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

 

[Bullseye]

Here it is:

Matthew 25:40-45​

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New International Version​

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40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’​

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of THE LEAST OF THESE, you did not do for me.’

Jesus fed the masses when they ran out of food. Trump is shutting down programs that help to feed those on the lower economic scale. People are now starving in Sudan and elsewhere because Trump shut down selected USAID programs. His buddy Netanyahu is purposely starving to death thousands upon thousands of Palestinian children, and Trump is giving tacit approval by looking the other way.

Jesus healed the sick. Trump is shutting down Medicare programs that help economically deprived adults and children to get proper medical care.

Jesus preached an earthly gospel of empathy and compassion towards others. Trump clearly finds such instances to be signs of weakness, he has no use for them, his right-hand man Stephen Miller comes out and says such right out loud, and his “Christian” fundamentalist followers follow along like lemmings and actually find ways to justify such cruelty, as we will soon see. Fact is, it is quite clear that Trump pretty much can’t stand “the least of these” and doesn’t want to be around them or have anything to do with them. Instead, he cuts as many programs designed to help them as he can in order to provide huge tax cuts for himself and his wealthy elite buddies. More pure corruption.

Jesus would not recognize this hateful “Christian” Trumpcult as followers of his message of love and hope. Jesus would harshly criticize them for their utter hypocrisy just as he did with the Pharisees.

The Trump cult has hijacked patriotism and turned it into hateful xenophobia, and has now hijacked religion and turned it into nothing more than a political action committee that is about as far from Jesus-based Christianity as possible.

How sad. Total Trumpmentia.

 

[Metanoia]

The proper authority was given to man. Correct ?

God could kill everyone that murdered anyone, correct? But He gave to man that authority to take mans life that has murdered someone.

Lees

Context…context…context. God was speaking only to the Jewish. It was perfectly fine to murder anyone that was not part of the tribe…..even encouraged..

 

[Lees]

So, maybe you should clarify your point...I'm not getting what you are trying to say...

My point has been very clear. Just as is your attempt to avoid admitting it.

You have said the Christian is not to get into politics. It is of the world, you say. I have showed you how ridiculous that is on every level, as the Christian is in the world.

And, now specifically in the area of politics, God gives to man the authority, the responsibility, to exercise the death penalty upon a murderer. Man is acting as God in this area, doing God's will. Yet you say man is not to get into politics because it is worldly and of Satan. Yet it is God who established human government. Which means, for you to ignore your responsibility to God in the area of politics is to hand over the reins to Satan. To refuse your privilage to vote, is to hand over the reins to Satan.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Context…context…context. God was speaking only to the Jewish. It was perfectly fine to murder anyone that was not part of the tribe…..even encouraged..

Well, physician heal thyself. There are no Jews in (Gen. 9:1-10) Noah and his family just got off the boat. Your answer as to context is null and void. And your second statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Prior to the flood no man had the authority to take another mans life, even if that one was guilty of murder. Remember Cain and Abel? After God cursed Cain, Cain complained that if any man find him he would be killed by them. "...and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me." (Gen. 4:14) But God said, "...whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." (Gen. 4:15)

Man, prior to the flood did not have the authority from God to take another man's life, even if that one was guilty of murder. There was no human government. The result of which was fallen man was allowed to do as he wished without regard to any fear of recompence from any human agency. Only from God. Which resulted in God moving and destroying mankind save 8 souls by the flood.

And immediately after the flood, God established human government in (Gen. 9:5-6). Man now had the authority, the responsibility to take mans life for murder. Human government, was established by God to resist the march of evil among mankind. It doesn't stop it, but it certainly resists it and slows it down. Human government is an institution from God.

But then, you and others say, it is worldly and wrong for a Christian to be into politics, and even wrong to vote. Christians, you say, should only be concerned with the Kingdom of God. Ridiculous.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Lees:

Satan the Devil is currently running the show on earth, according to scripture. What is it about that don't you get?

Revelation 12:7​

And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled

Revelation 12:8​

but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

Revelation 12:9​

So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

Well, Satan is certainly the god and prince of this present world system. (John 12:31) (2 Cor. 4:4) But it is not without resistance from God, nor should it be without resistance from God's people. Satan is not 'running the show'. He is given certain authority over the world. And amazingly enough, just as much as man gives him. And when you and others say the Christian is not to be involved in politics or voting, you surrender to Satan your God given responsibility to affect the outcome for God.

The world system was established by God and for God's purpose. Thus, 'God so loved the world', (John 3:16)

Human government was established by God to curtail evil in the world. To resist evil in the world. (Gen. 9:5-6) And there is constant spiritual warfare taking place among the angels over the control and influence of governments on the earth. See (Dan. 10:10-13) (Dan. 10:20)

Thus you can see that 'human government' is very much a 'spiritual warfare'.

Lees

 

[Daisy]

Yet it is God who established human government

BS...man established human governments because he refused to subject himself to God's rule...I'll continue to follow Jesus' lead whether you like it or not...

 

[Daisy]

Well, Satan is certainly the god and prince of this present world system. (John 12:31) (2 Cor. 4:4)

lol...listen to yourself...make up your mind...

Human government was established by God to curtail evil in the world. To resist evil in the world. (Gen. 9:5-6) And there is constant spiritual warfare taking place among the angels over the control and influence of governments on the earth. See (Dan. 10:10-13) (Dan. 10:20)

So why is it so corrupt?

 

[Lees]

BS...man established human governments because he refused to subject himself to God's rule...I'll continue to follow Jesus' lead whether you like it or not...

No, man had no authority to establish human government, as I just showed you post #(733). Only God can do that.

Lees

 

[Lees]

lol...listen to yourself...make up your mind...



So why is it so corrupt?

What do you mean 'make up my mind'?

The world is corrupt because Satan has caused the corruption. I thought you understood that?

Lees

 

[Daisy]

What do you mean 'make up my mind'?

The world is corrupt because Satan has caused the corruption. I thought you understood that?

Lees

lol...like I said, make up your mind...

 

[Lees]

lol...like I said, make up your mind...

My mind is made up. What's your problem?

Lees

 

[Daisy]

No, man had no authority to establish human government, as I just showed you post #(733). Only God can do that.

Lees

Wrong...the rebellion in the garden challenged who had a right to rule mankind...Jehovah God or Satan...Jehovah met that challenge by allowing Satan enough rope to hang himself, which he is doing...complete failure on his part...knowing that he has only a short time left, Satan tries to turn people away from true worship, and he uses various means to do so, including human governments causing the turmoil we're seeing on the earth...

"Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.” Revelation 12:12

 

[Lees]

Wrong...the rebellion in the garden challenged who had a right to rule mankind...Jehovah God or Satan...Jehovah met that challenge by allowing Satan enough rope to hang himself, which he is doing...complete failure on his part...knowing that he has only a short time left, Satan tries to turn people away from true worship, and he uses various means to do so, including human governments causing the turmoil we're seeing on the earth...

"Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.” Revelation 12:12

The fall of man in the Garden was not the establishment of human government. It was the fall of man. The establisment of human government was given after the Flood. (Gen. 9:5-6), as I have already showed you in post # (733). Which you mostly ignored because of your errors that it addressed.

Lees

 

[Daisy]

 

[Metanoia]

But then, you and others say, it is worldly and wrong for a Christian to be into politics, and even wrong to vote. Christians, you say, should only be concerned with the Kingdom of God. Ridiculous.

Lees

I never said any such thing……actually I am in favor of mandatory voting with a significant monetary penalty for not voting. If we expect people to obey the law we should make them responsible for helping create the law through voting. Also free air time for candidates to help keeping elections from being bought by the wealthy……and Election Day should be a holiday. Consider reinstating the draft with no exemptions for obesity and higher education exemptions. With the elimination of the draft fewer and fewer families have skin in the game with less concern of resisting unwarranted aggression. I like many others was drafted during the Vietnam conflict……also should have mentioned need for term limits…..perhaps of 18 years ? Hahaha…..I left enough specifics in this for posters to go crazy….. Agree or not a wake up call of some sort is needed….this 2 party system makes compromise difficult…..

 

[Metanoia]

Also greatly increase the salaries of Federal elected officials……the minimum salary for MLB players is $760;000 per year….with 780 players at one time…..780……let Congress have a similar incentive…..running a country should be as important as having MLB….IMO….

 

[Lees]

I never said any such thing……actually I am in favor of mandatory voting with a significant monetary penalty for not voting. If we expect people to obey the law we should make them responsible for helping create the law through voting. Also free air time for candidates to help keeping elections from being bought by the wealthy……and Election Day should be a holiday. Consider reinstating the draft with no exemptions for obesity and higher education exemptions. With the elimination of the draft fewer and fewer families have skin in the game with less concern of resisting unwarranted aggression. I like many others was drafted during the Vietnam conflict……also should have mentioned need for term limits…..perhaps of 18 years ? Hahaha…..I left enough specifics in this for posters to go crazy….. Agree or not a wake up call of some sort is needed….this 2 party system makes compromise difficult…..

Oh yes you did. In post #(731) you addressed a post of mine directed to another, where we were discussing that very 'thing'. And you disagreed with what I was saying. And you gave some off the wall statement that made no sense.

And my post which you were addressing, post #(725), was proving that God gave authority to man to take other mens lives guilty of murder. Which showed the importance of man being involved in doing God's will on earth. It showed the institution of human government.

All of which I was giving to prove how crazy @Daisy 's position is that we as believers are not to be involved in government or politics or even voting.

So, if you don't want to smell like shit, don't step in it in the first place.

Lees

 

[Alter2Ego]

Well, Satan is certainly the god and prince of this present world system. (John 12:31) (2 Cor. 4:4) But it is not without resistance from God, nor should it be without resistance from God's people. Satan is not 'running the show'. He is given certain authority over the world. And amazingly enough, just as much as man gives him. And when you and others say the Christian is not to be involved in politics or voting, you surrender to Satan your God given responsibility to affect the outcome for God.

The world system was established by God and for God's purpose. Thus, 'God so loved the world', (John 3:16)

Human government was established by God to curtail evil in the world. To resist evil in the world. (Gen. 9:5-6) And there is constant spiritual warfare taking place among the angels over the control and influence of governments on the earth. See (Dan. 10:10-13) (Dan. 10:20)

Thus you can see that 'human government' is very much a 'spiritual warfare'.

Lees

Satan is only able to rule over earth--at this time--because Almighty God Jehovah is allowing him to do it. So what are you talking about "resistance from God"? There is none. Jehovah God isn't ready to stop Satan.

Revelation 12:9​

"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him."


Meanwhile, obedient Christians are supposed wait for Jehovah's heavenly kingdom, which is the only cure for mankind's ills. God's heavenly kingdom will destroy all other kingdoms/governments, including the earthly kingdoms/governments that you and other disobedient people insist on voting into political office. Your votes won't change a thing, because Satan the Devil is running the show, with Jehovah's permission.

 

[Lees]

Satan is only able to rule over earth--at this time--because Almighty God Jehovah is allowing him to do it. So what are you talking about "resistance from God"? There is none. Jehovah God isn't ready to stop Satan.

Revelation 12:9​

"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him."


Meanwhile, obedient Christians are supposed wait for Jehovah's heavenly kingdom, which is the only cure for mankind's ills. God's heavenly kingdom will destroy all other kingdoms/governments, including the earthly kingdoms/governments that you and other disobedient people insist on voting into political office. Your votes won't change a thing, because Satan the Devil is running the show, with Jehovah's permission.

What do you mean, 'what I am talking about resistance from God'?

(2 Thess. 2:6-7) "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

Lees

 

[Alter2Ego]

What do you mean, 'what I am talking about resistance from God'?

(2 Thess. 2:6-7) "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

Lees

Lees:

Your above quotation of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 says absolutely nothing resembling "God is resisting Satan."

Satan the Devil is ruling this world because Jehovah God, who is called "Almighty" (meaning he's more powerful than all others) is allowing him to rule. When Jehovah is ready, he will remove Satan according to scripture.



Jesus himself said Satan is the ruler of this current system of things.

John 14:6​

"Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:30​

I will not speak with you much more, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has no hold on me."



Jesus said the above before Satan was eventually kicked out of heaven and hurled towards earth.

Revelation 12:9​

"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him."



So go ahead and keep voting for politicians in a world controlled by Satan. Even with their best intentions they will not succeed, because Satan is in control of the show.


Only Jehovah's heavenly kingdom can succeed in curing mankind's ills, and that will only happen after Jehovah steps in and removes Satan and his demonic angels from the scene.

 

[Metanoia]

Meanwhile, obedient Christians are supposed wait for Jehovah's heavenly kingdom, which is the only cure for mankind's ills. God's heavenly kingdom will destroy all other kingdoms/governments, including the earthly kingdoms/governments that you and other disobedient people insist on voting into political office. Your votes won't change a thing, because Satan the Devil is running the show, with Jehovah's permission.

While that might be a comfort for you to just sit and wait your fate I remain unconvinced that supposed obedience outweighs personal and Christian responsibility……..what happened to “being your brother’s keeper” and the lesson of the Good Samaritan ?