Trump’s “Christian” supporters do not follow a central message of Jesus

[Daisy]

no you can serve and pray as able. the voting machines most likely decide nothing though.



yep, serve in government if you are able.



we are commanded to pray without ceasing. so we do.

Exactly...they are a part of Satan's world...

 

[Lees]

So you don't believe God's got this...got it...I pray for God's will to be done...

Short prayer for sure. Makes efficient use of your time. But I don't know why you need more time. For to do what?

Lees

 

[Revelation]

Exactly...they are a part of Satan's world...

christians need to be Salt and Light in this world. the old testament records how God put his people in Government back in the day. note Daniel and David, both stellar in their accomplishments.

my opinion on the voting systems is based on those who study what goes on behind the scenes, basically yur vote doesn't count for anything.

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[Daisy]

Short prayer for sure. Makes efficient use of your time.

Lees

Wrong...I also pray for the things Jesus commanded us to pray for...

"You must pray, then, this way:

“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.  Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth. Give us today our bread for this day;  and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.  And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’ “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; whereas if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Matthew 6:9-15

As for the governments, I follow what Paul admonished to pray for...no more/no less because I have full faith God's got this...

"I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men, concerning kings and all those who are in high positions, so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness." 1 Timothy 2:1,2

 

[Daisy]

the old testament records how God put his people in Government back in the day. note Daniel and David,

Different times/different circumstances...Jehovah saw to it that the lineage of the Messiah took place without interference...

 

[Perotista]

Here it is:

Matthew 25:40-45​

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New International Version​

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40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’​

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of THE LEAST OF THESE, you did not do for me.’

Jesus fed the masses when they ran out of food. Trump is shutting down programs that help to feed those on the lower economic scale. People are now starving in Sudan and elsewhere because Trump shut down selected USAID programs. His buddy Netanyahu is purposely starving to death thousands upon thousands of Palestinian children, and Trump is giving tacit approval by looking the other way.

Jesus healed the sick. Trump is shutting down Medicare programs that help economically deprived adults and children to get proper medical care.

Jesus preached an earthly gospel of empathy and compassion towards others. Trump clearly finds such instances to be signs of weakness, he has no use for them, his right-hand man Stephen Miller comes out and says such right out loud, and his “Christian” fundamentalist followers follow along like lemmings and actually find ways to justify such cruelty, as we will soon see. Fact is, it is quite clear that Trump pretty much can’t stand “the least of these” and doesn’t want to be around them or have anything to do with them. Instead, he cuts as many programs designed to help them as he can in order to provide huge tax cuts for himself and his wealthy elite buddies. More pure corruption.

Jesus would not recognize this hateful “Christian” Trumpcult as followers of his message of love and hope. Jesus would harshly criticize them for their utter hypocrisy just as he did with the Pharisees.

The Trump cult has hijacked patriotism and turned it into hateful xenophobia, and has now hijacked religion and turned it into nothing more than a political action committee that is about as far from Jesus-based Christianity as possible.

So why do Christians support Trump? Trump won the protestant vote 63-35 over Harris and the Catholic vote 59-39 over Harris. While Harris won the atheists vote 71-27 over Trump along with other religions, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. 61-34 over Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0

A friend of mine who is one of these evangelical Christians may have provided the answer. He admitted that Trump wasn’t a very good example of Christian ideals. But that Trump wasn’t out to destroy and do away with Christianity like the democrats are trying to do. Forcing Americans to become atheists or Muslim. Voting for Trump in his opinion was a way to protect Christianity from oblivion and to be able to worship as a Christian freely in this nation. He feels threatened much like those who aren’t Christians feel threatened about Christians forcing their religion and ideals on them.

The great divide in this nation is becoming bigger and wider.

 

[Lees]

Wrong...I also pray for the things Jesus commanded us to pray for...

"You must pray, then, this way:

“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.  Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth. Give us today our bread for this day;  and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.  And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’ “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; whereas if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Matthew 6:9-15

As for the governments, I follow what Paul admonished to pray for...no more/no less because I have full faith God's got this...

"I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men, concerning kings and all those who are in high positions, so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness." 1 Timothy 2:1,2

Go ahead and pray. Just be sure not to do nothing.

Lees

 

[Daisy]

Go ahead and pray. Just be sure not to do nothing.

Lees

"Stand still and see the salvation of Jehovah"...

 

[Lees]

"Stand still and see the salvation of Jehovah"...

That's good. When you have to go to the bathroom, what do you do? When the toliet breaks, what do you do? Do you call a worldly plumber to come fix it? Or, do you drive to that worldly hardware store and get the parts to fix it yourself. Or do you just stand still and wait till God fixes it.

Lees

 

[Daisy]

That's good. When you have to go to the bathroom, what do you do? When the toliet breaks, what do you do? Do you call a worldly plumber to come fix it? Or, do you drive to that worldly hardware store and get the parts to fix it yourself. Or do you just stand still and wait till God fixes it.

Lees

WTH does that have to do with supporting an earthly gov.? Not a daggone thing...my allegiance is to God's gov...no other...

 

[Lees]

WTH does that have to do with supporting an earthly gov.? Not a daggone thing...my allegiance is to God's gov...no other...

Because calling a worldly plumber or going to a worldly hardware store is you being in the world. You are contriubting to that worldly pumbers and the hardware stores sucess in the world. Why don't you just pray and get God come and fix it? I will tell you why. Because he expect you to do something.

And, by the way, it is God who instituted human government. Not man. (Genesis 9:5) "And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man." Now what do you do?

Lees

 

[Daisy]

Because calling a worldly plumber or going to a worldly hardware store is you being in the world. You are contriubting to that worldly pumbers and the hardware stores sucess in the world. Why don't you just pray and get God come and fix it? I will tell you why. Because he expect you to do something.

And, by the way, it is God who instituted human government. Not man. (Genesis 9:5) "And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man." Now what do you do?

Lees

The same people who Jesus instructed to go and make disciples of...I follow Jesus example...not yours or anyone else's...when he was on earth, Jesus did not try to work with the political systems of the day in order to eliminate injustice because he he knew that humans have neither the right nor the ability to govern themselves...

"Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation." Psalm 146:3

"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jeremiah 10:23

 

[Lees]

The same people who Jesus instructed to go and make disciples of...I follow Jesus example...not yours or anyone else's...when he was on earth, Jesus did not try to work with the political systems of the day in order to eliminate injustice because he he knew that humans have neither the right nor the ability to govern themselves...

"Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation." Psalm 146:3

"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jeremiah 10:23

Then don't call a plumber or go to a hardware store. Thats fine by me. Just wait till God comes and fixes it for you.

What do you think of (Gen. 9:5-6)?

Lees

 

[Daisy]

Then don't call a plumber or go to a hardware store. Thats fine by me. Just wait till God comes and fixes it for you.

What do you think of (Gen. 9:5-6)?

Lees

You understood not a word I said...got it...

 

[Lees]

You understood not a word I said...got it...

No, I understood everyword you said. And I have tried to show how ridiculous your view is.

And I understand why you avoid my question about (Gen. 9:5-6)

Lees

 

[Daisy]

No, I understood everyword you said. And I have tried to show how ridiculous your view is.

And I understand why you avoid my question about (Gen. 9:5-6)

Lees

Do not take a human life, which is why we do not go to war...happy now? And no, you did not...

 

[Lees]

Do not take a human life, which is why we do not go to war...happy now? And no, you did not...

Oh yes I did. Which you prove by not answering. I told you (Gen. 9:5-6) is the origin of human government by God. You say it just means we are not to take a life. How lame that is.

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

Human government. Man is required by God to execute men who are guilty of murder. God expects man to do that....right?

Lees

 

[Daisy]

Oh yes I did. Which you prove by not answering. I told you (Gen. 9:5-6) is the origin of human government by God. You say it just means we are not to take a life. How lame that is.

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

Human government. Man is required by God to execute men who are guilty of murder. God expects man to do that....right?

Lees

 

[Lees]

What's so funny? Answer the question? God expects man to execute men who are guilty of murder...correct?

Lees

 

[Daisy]

What's so funny? Answer the question? God expects man to execute men who are guilty of murder...correct?

Lees

God will, not man...He will demand an accounting...

"I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother."

 

[Lees]

God will, not man...He will demand an accounting...

"I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother."

No that's not what it says. "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed"

Man is required by God to take the life of men who murder. (Gen. 5:6)

Lees

 

[Daisy]

No that's not what it says. "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed"

Man is required by God to take the life of men who murder. (Gen. 5:6)

Lees

lol...yes it does..."I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother."

 

[Lees]

lol...yes it does..."I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother."

"By Man shall his blood be shed"

Correct?

Lees

 

[Daisy]

"By Man shall his blood be shed"

Correct?

Lees

By the proper authorities...Jehovah certainly did not mean we should take revenge of any sort...

 

[Lees]

By the proper authorities...Jehovah certainly did not mean we should take revenge of any sort...

The proper authority was given to man. Correct ?

God could kill everyone that murdered anyone, correct? But He gave to man that authority to take mans life that has murdered someone.

Lees