Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts"

What if...? · Apr 7, 2012

Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Kal'Stang said:
From the way that I am reading it she last talked to Martin before Zimmerman called 911. She tried to call him back (and apparently didn't get an answer) 1 min before Zimmerman placed the call to 911 which was at 7:13 (19:13 military time)....her call back happened at 7:12.

Her first initial call happened at 7:04. Thats when she says that she was talking to Martin in which she "recalls" Martin telling Zimmerman "Whats your problem man?" and then she says she heard a "scuffle" or some such and the phone went dead. She then tried to call back Martin at 7:12. Which according to that image happened 1 min before Zimmerman placed the 911 call. So that would mean that she didn't even hear the running that happened.

Now What if....? mentioned that the time there for the dispatcher reflects when entries are made. My question to that is does the entries made by the dispatcher automatically present the time or does the dispatcher log the time themselves? In either case I don't see the "lag" as being that much...at most 1 minute would have passed before any thing was entered. And its not that hard to look at the bottom right corner of a computer screen to see what time it is so if the time was put int by the dispatcher themselves I would imagine it to be accurate. If the time is input automatically by the computer then it would have done so the moment he/she punched in the very first letter...which happens rather quickly. So I honestly don't think there would be any lag worth mentioning.

The 7:04 call was only 1 minute. The 7:12 call was four minutes long. (From a copy of pages of the bill I found, lost, and can't find again. (I'm still looking.)

What if...? · Apr 7, 2012

Re: Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video .... "Pair of Gashes or Welts

Kal'Stang said:
IMO its everyone's buisness to watch, and yes if necessary, follow anyone that they think might be committing a crime. Maybe if people started poking their noses in when they think a crime is being committed there would be less crime happening. But no, people have to turn away and act like nothing is happening...even when something IS happening. This "not my buisness" crap is disgusting. Like the following video.

I get your point and agree to an extent.

The other side of the coin is, for example, my wife and I go for walks and look at houses. I love old craftsment homes and my wife watches a lot of "home improvement porn".

We've gotten some strange looks, but never been confronted.

I wouldn't have a problem with somebody asking what we're about, but damned if you're gonna try to "hold me til the cops get there".

Risky Thicket · Apr 7, 2012

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Excon said:
LOL
He had every 'right', and all the 'business' in the world following someone to keep them under observation until the police he called arrived.
And the evidence says that Trayvon approached him first.

What rights did Trayvon have?

KevinKohler · Apr 7, 2012

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What if...? said:
I get your point and agree to an extent.

The other side of the coin is, for example, my wife and I go for walks and look at houses. I love old craftsment homes and my wife watches a lot of "home improvement porn".

We've gotten some strange looks, but never been confronted.

I wouldn't have a problem with somebody asking what we're about, but damned if you're gonna try to "hold me til the cops get there".

You're likely not doing it on a dark rainy night...

Grim17 · Apr 7, 2012

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Risky Thicket said:
What rights did Trayvon have?

He had the right to keep walking home or to do anything else he wanted that was within the law. He even had the right to confront Zimmerman. But if he physically attacked Zimmerman, as it appears he did, he did not have a right to do that.

ric27 · Apr 7, 2012

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Kal'Stang said:
IMO its everyone's buisness to watch, and yes if necessary, follow anyone that they think might be committing a crime. Maybe if people started poking their noses in when they think a crime is being committed there would be less crime happening. But no, people have to turn away and act like nothing is happening...even when something IS happening. This "not my buisness" crap is disgusting. Like the following video.

This, this is really worrisome. It truly is.....watch

MadLib · Apr 7, 2012

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Eighty Deuce said:
Again. This is false. The voice analysis did nto determine it was Martin, but rather that it was not Zimmerman. But more importantly, that analysis has been fully debunked. Its unproven technology, shown to be corrupted when comparing a recorded voice from a phone converstion to a more direct recording. Its just plain full of ****. Google it.

And yet so many are here debating where they have such a slim grasp of the evidence, and then BS like this.

You stink of cherry picking. Biometrics is completely viable evidence in a court of law. It is not, quote, "Full of ****."

Excon · Apr 7, 2012

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MadLib said:
You stink of cherry picking. Biometrics is completely viable evidence in a court of law. It is not, quote, "Full of ****."

And what was provided was not an official analysis.
It isn't going to make it into court.

What if...? · Apr 8, 2012

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KevinKohler said:
You're likely not doing it on a dark rainy night...

Not rainy but often night.

Our thing is to have lunch or dinner somewhere then walk around and look at houses afterwards.

I own a slew of black hoodies, and wear one at night year round, pretty much, it only to have it if the wife needs it.

The beautiful redheaded wife I imagine also allays fears of us being up to no good.

My point is I'm guilty of wandering around in the dark looking at houses in a black hoodie.

Karl · Apr 8, 2012

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Excon said:
And what was provided was not an official analysis.
It isn't going to make it into court.

Please define "official analysis". Cited, of course :mrgreen:

LeaNder · Apr 17, 2012

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Risky Thicket said:
For clarification 911 centers are not law enforcement, not law enforcement directed and not funded with or through law enforcement. People who answer 911 calls are 911 operators, not dispatchers. I point out the distinction for a couple of reasons. They are not police and they have no authority to direct a caller to get back in the truck, as it were.
...The recording will provide the exact time of the calls, irrespective of what the 911 Operator may have entered.

This is an interesting observation. Thanks! Now I get closer to the process. How do you read: COMPL NOW REQ LEO 1045 BEFORE 1056? You find both pages of the 911 call here at p. 46/47.

That is the operator finished his task with a new page after Zimmerman already hurried away to chase "the fugitive"? what are the names he registers, that feels like he dispatches officers.

LeaNder · Apr 17, 2012

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Excon said:
George Zimmerman's Police Call History
p.47

Can we make that page 46-47? Page 46 by Snoffke finishes at: 19:20:21, a time at which Zimmerman has moved on for some minutes. No idea what his last enty--03/08/2012 14:07:19 ... EVT 1671-- is about? Page 47 the Cresswe report starts at 19:20:28, repeating the main issue already in obverse order starting with "the fugitive suspect" running towards the back entrance.

Excon · Apr 18, 2012

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LeaNder said:
Can we make that page 46-47? Page 46

Yes of course. That was my error. It is page 46.

Tettsuo · Apr 19, 2012

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ric27 said:
This, this is really worrisome. It truly is.....watch

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