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Transgender women are women

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Was J.K Rowling being blatantly insensitive? Does a female's ability to ovulate and menstruate make her definitively different than a transgender?

Obviously, there are biological differences between people's given gender but shouldn't we respect, care, and treat everyone with dignity?


 
I have such a hard time following this stuff.

Is she suggesting that only women menstruate or that menstruation is an indication that someone is a woman or that men can't menstruate even if they believe they are woman or that women who are actually men do menstruate and therefore can't be men.....or what?
 

I totally support trans people being legally considered whatever gender they’ve transitioned to, but I disagree with using the force of the law to try to make people believe that being a trans woman is just the same as being born a woman.
 
I don't care what J.K Rowling says. Maybe one day she can stop pissing the Harry Potter franchise in the mud with her stupid revisions, and her blatantly ignoring her own previous material.
 
X Factor said:
I totally support trans people being legally considered whatever gender they’ve transitioned to, but I disagree with using the force of the law to try to make people believe that being a trans woman is just the same as being born a woman.
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What force of law was being suggested, X?
 
TheGoverness said:
What force of law was being suggested, X?
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Hi Gov. There nothing in grip’s OP about that but I do seem to recall proposed fines, like giant fines, for failing to use the “correct” pronouns.
 
Transgender women have it hard enough without someone saying 'you'll never biologically be female.' That's not what it's about.

People have the right to think what they want about the subject but at least try to be decent and respectful. It's their life, not yours. I do not agree with fining someone for improper name-calling either, more than that though, it could be considered a hate crime.
 
X Factor said:
Hi Gov. There nothing in grip’s OP about that but I do seem to recall proposed fines, like giant fines, for failing to use the “correct” pronouns.
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If someone's deliberately using the wrong pronouns, repeatedly, then I'd support a fine for that. Because that's just obnoxious and disrespectful.
 
X Factor said:
Hi Gov. There nothing in grip’s OP about that but I do seem to recall proposed fines, like giant fines, for failing to use the “correct” pronouns.
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Gender is a social construct so definitely there is no such thing as a force of law.
 
Irredentist said:
If someone's deliberately using the wrong pronouns, repeatedly, then I'd support a fine for that. Because that's just obnoxious and disrespectful.
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Of course you do. What other speech do you support criminalizing? Pretty much anything you disagree with?
 
X Factor said:
Hi Gov. There nothing in grip’s OP about that but I do seem to recall proposed fines, like giant fines, for failing to use the “correct” pronouns.
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There was one provision in New York that covered something like that, in regards to employment and "deliberate" and "repeated" violations of intentionally misgendering an employee. It says the violation goes up to 250,000 but there's a slew of other violations in there, such as not allowing a person to use the bathroom of their choice, and having discriminatory procedures for people who do not identify as cisgendered.

It seems to be under the same vein as deliberate harassment, at least from how I read it. I have no idea if anyone has even faced a violation of that sort.
 
Transgender women are born female. They're women with women's rights and women's privileges. Their brain is female and always has been. How Neanderthal is it to define a person not by their brain but by their extremities.
 
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Of course you do. What other speech do you support criminalizing? Pretty much anything you disagree with?
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Not because I disagree with it. I see it as a form of harassment. Not to mention hate speech.
 
X Factor said:
I totally support trans people being legally considered whatever gender they’ve transitioned to, but I disagree with using the force of the law to try to make people believe that being a trans woman is just the same as being born a woman.
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It all depends on where sexuality resides. Is it in the mind or in the genitals?
 
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Attempting to understand lunacy is a futile passtime. So why not do something really constructive and bend a knee - or even two?
 
It's funny that some men are too insecure to accept the scientific fact that some women are born with male parts.
 
ecofarm said:
Transgender women are born female. They're women with women's rights and women's privileges. Their brain is female and always has been. How Neanderthal is it to define a person not by their brain but by their extremities.
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What utter nonsense. Every cell in a man's brain is male.
 
Sweden said:
What utter nonsense. Every cell in a man's brain is male.
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:lol:

No one questions an XY female is female. Every cell in their body is "male".

Jamie Lee Curtis is female, right?
 

IMO that comes under the category of "there's no law against being offended." You can call a cis-male "girl" all the time and not have any laws to prevent it.

OTOH, there are laws regarding sexual harassment. IMO, if there's nothing sexual in nature about the exchange (meaning beyond the sex/gender of the person) then it's not sexual harassment. It's obnoxious and petty and being an asshole but it shouldnt be against a law.



 
ecofarm said:
Transgender women are born female. They're women with women's rights and women's privileges. Their brain is female and always has been. How Neanderthal is it to define a person not by their brain but by their extremities.
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Right, biology and sex organs have nothing do to with the sex of a person.
 
X Factor said:
Right, biology and sex organs have nothing do to with the sex of a person.
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Biology includes the brain. Transgender women are born biologically female.
 
Name-calling, of any kind, at a place of employment, by a superior, should make the company and the violater liable to being sued for harassment.

Here's a case today where an employee was fired.

Hartley Sawyer fired from ''The Flash'' for racist tweets

 
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Yeah, I guess that's 'harassment' and should be a company policy. OTOH, those policies arent laws. (Unless perhaps they fall into the category of hate speech in some cases? I dont believe in hate speech laws.)



 
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