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Transcript of Marie Yovanovitch released, read it here

317 pages. A comprehensive deposition.
 
Somewhere, buried in that monster, is a needle.
 
Basically she blames everything that's wrong in the world on Trump and claims she tried to warn him but he wouldn't listen.
 
KevinKohler said:
Somewhere, buried in that monster, is a needle.
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First Trump supporters were bitching that the deposition was done in secret. Now they're bitching that the deposition requires reading.

Maybe trump supporters just like to bitch.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Basically she blames everything that's wrong in the world on Trump and claims she tried to warn him but he wouldn't listen.
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Yes, we're all sure that you read 300 pages in twenty-five minutes.
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, we're all sure that you read 300 pages in twenty-five minutes.
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It's not the testimony that matters it's the narrative. Ask Adam Schiff about his impeachment inquiry opening "parody" speech.
 
lemmiwinx said:
It's not the testimony that matters it's the narrative. Ask Adam Schiff about his impeachment inquiry opening "parody" speech.
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Since you don't want to read then you are excused from the conversation.
 
Cardinal said:
First Trump supporters were bitching that the deposition was done in secret. Now they're bitching that the deposition requires reading.

Maybe trump supporters just like to bitch.
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Well, yes, we just like to bitch. Especially here on DP.

But this isn't a complaint I have just in this instance. Its in general. I feel that, in the last 30 years or so, our government, and through them, our laws, have become cumbersome intentionally. We've buried true meaning in oceans of words, in the hopes that it won't be readily noticeable. Patriot Act? Affordable Care Act? Oceans of words, concealing the true purpose of their being.

Albert Einstien, a man whom we all agree was pretty smart, on e said something to the effect of, if you can't explain something simply, it simply means you don't understand it well enough. 317 pages of deposition about a phone call that lasted less than 10 minutes?

Yeah. Lets bury a fact within 316 pages of opinions.
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, we're all sure that you read 300 pages in twenty-five minutes.
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The phone call was under 10 minutes. Why would it take longer than that to read a deposition about it?
 
KevinKohler said:
The phone call was under 10 minutes. Why would it take longer than that to read a deposition about it?
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Because Congressmen had a lot of questions for her.
 
KevinKohler said:
The phone call was under 10 minutes. Why would it take longer than that to read a deposition about it?
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They like to swamp people with useless bloviation and then gig them for not reading every word. I like their moxy.
 
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KevinKohler said:
The phone call was under 10 minutes. Why would it take longer than that to read a deposition about it?
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The deposition isn’t about the phone call. So far, 51 pages in, its mostly about what Giuliani and his money laundering pals were doing over there.
 
KevinKohler said:
Well, yes, we just like to bitch. Especially here on DP.

But this isn't a complaint I have just in this instance. Its in general. I feel that, in the last 30 years or so, our government, and through them, our laws, have become cumbersome intentionally. We've buried true meaning in oceans of words, in the hopes that it won't be readily noticeable. Patriot Act? Affordable Care Act? Oceans of words, concealing the true purpose of their being.

Albert Einstien, a man whom we all agree was pretty smart, on e said something to the effect of, if you can't explain something simply, it simply means you don't understand it well enough. 317 pages of deposition about a phone call that lasted less than 10 minutes?

Yeah. Lets bury a fact within 316 pages of opinions.
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I admire Einstein's philosophical wordsmithing, to the point I bought a book of his quotes. I don't remember the one you supplied, but I really like it.

BTW - Einstein, who sucked at math (relatively speaking), considered himself a philosopher firstly!
 
lemmiwinx said:
It's not the testimony that matters it's the narrative. Ask Adam Schiff about his impeachment inquiry opening "parody" speech.
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The content wasn't wrong despite Schiff gaving his own spin on the memo, saying this was “the essence of what the president communicates” in his call with Zelensky “in not so many words.”

Later in the same hearing, Schiff said the summary “was meant to be at least part in parody.” And it wasn't wrong.
 
Napoleon said:
The deposition isn’t about the phone call. So far, 51 pages in, its mostly about what Giuliani and his money laundering pals were doing over there.
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This could be bad for Giuliani if true. Anything in there about the Bidens yet? No, nothing? That's strange.
 
KevinKohler said:
Somewhere, buried in that monster, is a needle.
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Cardinal said:
First Trump supporters were bitching that the deposition was done in secret. Now they're bitching that the deposition requires reading.

Maybe trump supporters just like to bitch.
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They're required to make defiant-sounding noises at anything that threatens the orange lout.


KevinKohler said:
Well, yes, we just like to bitch. Especially here on DP.

But this isn't a complaint I have just in this instance. Its in general. I feel that, in the last 30 years or so, our government, and through them, our laws, have become cumbersome intentionally. We've buried true meaning in oceans of words, in the hopes that it won't be readily noticeable. Patriot Act? Affordable Care Act? Oceans of words, concealing the true purpose of their being.

Albert Einstien, a man whom we all agree was pretty smart, on e said something to the effect of, if you can't explain something simply, it simply means you don't understand it well enough. 317 pages of deposition about a phone call that lasted less than 10 minutes?

Yeah. Lets bury a fact within 316 pages of opinions.
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You're comparing the Patriot Act to a deposition? The ACA? You are appointing yourself to the role of declaring just how long a deposition is allowed to be? If a deposition is longer than non-lawyer KevinKohler thinks it should be, that means a "fact" has been nefariously "buried" within it, and therefore, at His Lordship Kohler's pronouncement (made without reading the deposition, of course) the deposition means nothing?

What is this profoundly stupid dishonesty?





You people really are required to say meaningless bull**** just to try to mess up every thread about Trump, aren't you? At least I hope that's it. I certainly hope nobody would be capable of actually thinking that somehow, a deposition can be compared to the ACA and attacked based on its length.
 
lemmiwinx said:
This could be bad for Giuliani if true. Anything in there about the Bidens yet? No, nothing? That's strange.
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It could also be bad for the President since, per this deposition, Giuliani was leaving Ukrainian leadership with the impression that he was representing/speaking on behalf of the President.
 
KevinKohler said:
The phone call was under 10 minutes. Why would it take longer than that to read a deposition about it?
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The actual phone call was more like 30 minutes in length. What Trump exposed to the public was under 10 minutes in length. The entire conversation was deemed by White House attorneys necessary to be kept locked up in the secure server where generally only the most secretive matters pertaining to national security ordinarily go. There's a reason why they felt it was necessary to lock it up where nobody could read it and we're all about to find out why.
 
Chomsky said:
I admire Einstein's philosophical wordsmithing, to the point I bought a book of his quotes. I don't remember the one you supplied, but I really like it.

BTW - Einstein, who sucked at math (relatively speaking), considered himself a philosopher firstly!
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I'm not sure that is an Einstein quote, but if he's going to try to apply it to a deposition rather than something like an essay or a speech, he utterly fails to understand it.

Of course, that's not what's going on. It's just another intellectually dishonest attempt to try to say "don't look there. Look over here, at this squirrel. See? SQUIRREL!"
 
Mr Person said:
I'm not sure that is an Einstein quote, but if he's going to try to apply it to a deposition rather than something like an essay or a speech, he utterly fails to understand it.

Of course, that's not what's going on. It's just another intellectually dishonest attempt to try to say "don't look there. Look over here, at this squirrel. See? SQUIRREL!"
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The complaint about the length of the transcript reminds me of the attitude of the character in this clip:

 
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