Thanks. I didn't read it, but saw a pretty little graphic that attracted my eyes and seemed to explain it. I've been feeling lazy the past few days.
Basically:
1) no male puberty - unlimited access
2) male puberty but on hormones - no head to head competition
3) male puberty and hormones - can play.
Anyway, I have issues with it, but whatever. It's a tough one.
Yes.I think you messed up the first sentence of your message from what you wanted to say? Are you instead asking why it is ok for a man to hit a man, but not a woman?
Yeah.... It's always been that way. Outside of legal and medical matters, if you meet someone on the street and they say they're a woman- you just have to take them at their word. You might make a guess based on their presentation, but at the end of the day how they identify themselves is all you have to go on.In your opinion there is no way to know who is a man or a woman. You have no way to know if anyone is a man or woman unless they first tell you - and then you have to just take their word.
Your drawing conclusions straight from the trash can, I see. My attraction is private, it has nothing to do with the conversation, and I will not further engage with you if continue to bring it up.Obviously in terms of sex - by your messages - you are bisexual, since the only different to you is in the other person's head.
Transmen are people of the female sex who identify as male. Transmen use he/him pronouns and want to be referred to as men. It'd be nice if you'd heed that.I am not posting about psychological self identity social-gender problems people have, but rather about people's sex. I am singularly posting about females and males.
Why are you assuming the cisman would win? They had both made it to the final round, it should be assumed they were equals. Two equal competitors fighting each other in a wrestling match is normal.If you want a reputation of bragging beating up a female with a trophy to show off for it like you think he should want
If my significant other was violent towards me, yes, I would defend myself and then call the police. Guess by your standards victims of domestic violence should just sit there and take it, huh?if your girlfriend/date/wife hits you then you will slug her for the sake of equality - that's your thing.
Nice to know you'd defend an abuser over the abused, Joko.Unless you slugged her in front of me. Then we would find out if you are the first man I ever saw who hit a female a second time with his other arm.
On what principle should someone refrain from violence only towards women, and not men?Either a person does not hit females on principle, or has his reasons why he will and/or does.
There is a difference of origin, chromosomes, reproductive parts, etc. Physically, a trans man who has been on hormones for a year can compete equally with a cisman.Then again she is is a female woman, not a male woman. You have explained repeatedly that to you there is no difference whatsoever.
Jesus Christ, Joko. What does my sexuality have to do with anything?You're bisexual?
Transwomen who haven't gone through male puberty are probably fine to play against women assuming there is no physical advantage, which I can't see why there would be.
Transwomen who haven't gone through male puberty are probably fine to play against women assuming there is no physical advantage, which I can't see why there would be.
Actually, we have historical precedence showing that they do have an advantage. In medieval Europe, they would neuter young boys before puberty. They were called the castrati. They boys would grow up never having undergone puberty. They were considered great singers cause they had, on average, larger lung volume than women have. Larger lung volume can give a competitor a major advantage. Just because a boy doesn't go through puberty doesn't mean he is physically equal to a woman.
Neutering someone does not prevent puberty and they didnt have puberty blockers and hormone replacement.Actually, we have historical precedence showing that they do have an advantage. In medieval Europe, they would neuter young boys before puberty. They were called the castrati. They boys would grow up never having undergone puberty. They were considered great singers cause they had, on average, larger lung volume than women have. Larger lung volume can give a competitor a major advantage. Just because a boy doesn't go through puberty doesn't mean he is physically equal to a woman.
Yes.
Yeah.... It's always been that way. Outside of legal and medical matters, if you meet someone on the street and they say they're a woman- you just have to take them at their word. You might make a guess based on their presentation, but at the end of the day how they identify themselves is all you have to go on.
Your drawing conclusions straight from the trash can, I see. My attraction is private, it has nothing to do with the conversation, and I will not further engage with you if continue to bring it up.
Transmen are people of the female sex who identify as male. Transmen use he/him pronouns and want to be referred to as men. It'd be nice if you'd heed that.
Why are you assuming the cisman would win? They had both made it to the final round, it should be assumed they were equals. Two equal competitors fighting each other in a wrestling match is normal.
If my significant other was violent towards me, yes, I would defend myself and then call the police. Guess by your standards victims of domestic violence should just sit there and take it, huh?
Nice to know you'd defend an abuser over the abused, Joko.
On what principle should someone refrain from violence only towards women, and not men?
There is a difference of origin, chromosomes, reproductive parts, etc. Physically, a trans man who has been on hormones for a year can compete equally with a cisman.
Jesus Christ, Joko. What does my sexuality have to do with anything?
For one, the transmen identify as men. Calling a transman a woman or female is disrespectful as it ignores the transman's preference to be referred to as a man.Could he have lost? Sure. That does not change that he will not fight a female. Wouldn't want to win nor lose.
I wouldn't know, you never provided a link to this example you're talking about. Anyway, a transman is someone of the female sex who identifies as male. Cismen are people of the male sex who identify as male. Studies show that transmen, after a year of hormones, are physically more or less on the level of cismen.People on your side of the topic ALWAYS refuse to mention bone structure and proportionality. Did the transman have his upper and lower leg bones shortened? Did he have his pelvis bones cut in half with a section removed on each side?
Well, I can respect that you'd try to do the least damage while defending yourself, but that's just not something everyone can or would want to do. If someone attacks me, I'll attack back. Enough for them to stop, and enough for them to think twice about doing it again.If my wife violently attacked me and not as play? I would restrain her without harming and then leave or maybe call her friends, parents - whatever seemed best since I can't actually imagine that happening. I would not hit her. I would not call the police on her. Remotely such as phone then explore options if I left, which could then include separation/break up.
It happens more often than you think. For example, weapons can be an equalizer. You also can't ignore the mental trauma that can result from living with an abusive partner, or being hurt by someone you care about. Men who are victims of domestic violence rarely report because people don't take them seriously.I've never seen a female actually harm a male or a male seriously hurt by a female. I know it happens very rarely, but we aren't talking the topic of murder nor hyperbole examples back and forth.
No, I don't.you want athletic competitions that only allow females to compete or males to compete completely eliminated to enforce your "principles" on ALL females - like it or not. Competitions only between females should be banned or just not available. Even on government degree and law.
Um, no.And I agree the goal is to run all females out of professional sports so all the money goes to males, all the fame and to "prove" males are superior to females - even at being females physically.
For one, the transmen identify as men. Calling a transman a woman or female is disrespectful as it ignores the transman's preference to be referred to as a man.
Two, there's no reason not to fight the transman. This was men's sports. Remember that they'd made it to the final round, meaning that the transman had competed and won thus far. The transman wasn't weak or at a disadvantage, and yet the cisman treated him like he was. The cisman insulted the transman's capabilities by refusing to fight him because he "doesn't want to hurt a woman."
I wouldn't know, you never provided a link to this example you're talking about. Anyway, a transman is someone of the female sex who identifies as male. Cismen are people of the male sex who identify as male. Studies show that transmen, after a year of hormones, are physically more or less on the level of cismen.
Well, I can respect that you'd try to do the least damage while defending yourself, but that's just not something everyone can or would want to do. If someone attacks me, I'll attack back. Enough for them to stop, and enough for them to think twice about doing it again.
It happens more often than you think. For example, weapons can be an equalizer. You also can't ignore the mental trauma that can result from living with an abusive partner, or being hurt by someone you care about. Men who are victims of domestic violence rarely report because people don't take them seriously.
No, I don't.
My position is that transmen (FtM) should continue to compete in men's sports, as medical changes like hormones make them physically superior to most women.
Transwomen (MtF) should not be allowed to compete in most women's sports because their biology gives them an advantage. This could change, however, if we created a science-backed criteria that allowed certain transwomen without an advantage to compete in women's sports. Until then, transwomen should either be allowed to participate on men's teams if they choose, or alternatives like a transwomen's division for sports.
Um, no.
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