Total taxation in the US is one of the lowest in the developed world

[TurtleDude]

Great news for you! Trump and the Republicans want to simplify the tax code and eliminate the loopholes.

the biggest loopholes are representation without federal income taxation

 

[Lord of Planar]

A 75 year old is uninsurable in the private sector because they are 75 years old and thus are guaranteed to have large medical expenses within the next few years. The fact that the public sector got involved is a recognition of that, not the cause.

My father would disagree with you. He's in his 80's.

 

[ocean515]

the main purpose of the war on poverty is to create a class of dependents who will always vote for the Democrat Party while enriching the leaders of that party as they dip their greedy beaks into the massive amounts of money diverted to the government

Yes. That fact has been carved in titanium and hoisted above the State Capitol in Sacramento, and on the deposit slips of politicians ruling the state.

 

[Lafayette]

Government doesn't create jobs. It takes money from the private sector that could be used to create jobs.

BS.

About the Federal government civil service, from WikiP:

Government employees in the United States includes the United States federal civil service, employees of the state governments of the United States, and employees of local government in the United States.

Government employees are not necessarily the same as civil servants, as some jurisdictions specifically define which employees are civil servants; for example, it often excludes military employees.

The federal government is the nation's single largest employer, although it employs only about 12% of all government employees, compared to 24% at the state level and 63% at the local level.

Yeah, right - private business is suffering from qualified personnel because they all work for the government.

More pathetic BS intended to light fires on the Replicant side of the two-party political coin. The fact of the matter is that hi-tech companies have to hire from abroad to find qualified personnel. And why?

Because a qualified engineer in the US must spend for a degree on average $80K* (state institution fees plus room-'n-board). And since America decided that Donald Dork was a "better choice", Hillary's idea for all tuition paid for any postgraduate degree in families with incomes less than $100K is as dead as a door nail.

Bravo America! Have you ever just shot yourself in both feet ...

*See here: How Much Does it Cost to Study in the US?. Excerpt:

While the US remains the world’s most popular destination for international students, it’s also among the most expensive choices. But while the headline costs of studying in the US may be daunting, often involving a string of five-digit numbers, it’s worth checking all the facts on fees and funding options before you make up your mind.

In HSBC’s 2016 report, The Value of Education: Foundations for the future, the US emerged as the top choice for parents considering university abroad for their child – but also the most expensive, with the average annual cost of tuition fees to study in the US estimated at $33,215.

 

[haymarket]

If people that do not pay federal income tax should lose some voting and other rights - why is Trump even eligible to run for President?

 

[TurtleDude]

BS.

About the Federal government civil service, from WikiP:

Yeah, right - private business is suffering from qualified personnel because they all work for the government.

More pathetic BS intended to light fires on the Replicant side of the two-party political coin. The fact of the matter is that hi-tech companies have to hire from abroad to find qualified personnel. And why?

Because a qualified engineer in the US must spend for a degree on average $80K (state institution fees plus room-'n-board). And since America decided that Donald Dork was a "better choice", Hillary's idea for all tuition paid for any postgraduate degree in families with incomes less than $100K is as dead as a door nail.

Bravo America! Have you ever just shot yourself in both feet ...

I get it-another SJW who is whining that Hillary lost and wanted someone else to pay for his/her education.

 

[haymarket]

Yes. That fact has been carved in titanium and hoisted above the State Capitol in Sacramento, and on the deposit slips of politicians ruling the state.

All fifty states share the factors you condemn California for.

 

[Lafayette]

I never maintained it was "against the law". You've not understood what you read (and if you read it).

I maintained that it is "artificial and unfair" and the underlying reason for the US's aberrant Income Disparity:
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The US is at the same high level of China? I suppose you must think that is "normal" ... ?

Neither am I comparing the US to China. I am comparing "apples to apples", that is two capitalist market-economies that are the EU (740 million inhabitants) and the US (320M).

Care to continue the duel? Then respond in kind ...

 

[Lord of Planar]

If people that do not pay federal income tax should lose some voting and other rights - why is Trump even eligible to run for President?

Please show us evidence he doesn't pay taxes.

His sales taxes alone are incredible I would think.

 

[TurtleDude]

Please show us evidence he doesn't pay taxes.

His sales taxes alone are incredible I would think.

Trump owns real property. that was the original requirement to vote. If only real property owners were able to vote, Hillary wouldn't have even won CALIFORNIA.

 

[Lafayette]

I get it-another SJW who is whining that Hillary lost and wanted someone else to pay for his/her education.

What do I care? Remain blind to the tragic fact that the American people elected Hillary Clinton as PotUS by a plurality of more than two million votes.

And they are getting anyway Donald Dork.

You live in a "broken democracy" ...

 

[ocean515]

All fifty states share the factors you condemn California for.

Nowhere near. That is a false statement haymarket. Don't just blurt out some unsupported lie.

California is responsible for over 30% of what all states in the US spend on public assistance, yet has only 18% of the population. Obviously any discussion on social programs would have a much bigger impact on people living in California, than living elsewhere.

According to the US Census Bureau, California has over 25% of the Nations illegal alien population living within it's borders. Illegals don't live in a bubble, most have legal relatives already living here. Any discussion related to immigration would have a disproportionate impact on voters in California as a result.

I could go on and on.

You're completely destroying your credibility haymarket, and I'm confused why your choosing this hill to die on.

 

[TurtleDude]

What do I care? Remain blind to the tragic fact that the American people elected Hillary Clinton as PotUS by a plurality of more than two million votes.

And they are getting anyway Donald Dork.

You live in a "broken democracy" ...

why the lies-they did not elect Hillary clinton to any thing. They elected certain people to cast votes for Hillary clinton and those people were a minority of electors.

your stupid comment about "donald dork" proves you're just another person issuing butt hurt posts because the lying bitch lost. BTW you list France as your location. are you even qualified to vote in US Elections?

 

[Lord of Planar]

BS.

About the Federal government civil service, from WikiP:

The federal government is the nation's single largest employer, although it employs only about 12% of all government employees, compared to 24% at the state level and 63% at the local level.

Those created jobs are paying more money than the average tax payer supporting them.

It is insane to grow the government. It needs to be radically downsized.

 

[haymarket]

Please show us evidence he doesn't pay taxes.

His sales taxes alone are incredible I would think.

Do you know the difference between federal income taxes and sales taxes?

And we have his own admission in the debates and the figures released and leaked about his over 900 million dollar loss and the results of that.

Of course, Trump himself could have cleared all that up - but he refused to spitting in the face of precedent desiring hide something in those returns most likely even more damaging that years of not paying federal income taxes.

 

[haymarket]

Nowhere near.

Nowhere near what?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Trump owns real property. that was the original requirement to vote. If only real property owners were able to vote, Hillary wouldn't have even won CALIFORNIA.

True.

I forget which amendment changed it, but it is for the better I think.

 

[Lafayette]

I totally agree that those benefitting from government services should be helping to pay for them, except for those below the poverty line. Since the poverty line is about 15% then it is ridiculous that 47% pay no federal income taxes.

With "adept" income taxation, a progressive tax would more fairly share the burden. But the super-rich absolutely must pay a LOT MORE.

And, for reasons I've explained elsewhere, the Sky Is Not the Limit - as many are trying to prove. It's a game of "Who earns most?"

Here's the solution:
*A progressive annual income taxation that approaches 95% for all income less than 1.5MB.
*This will help prevent a "runaway Finance Industry" that brought the American economy to its knees in 2008 (with the SubPrime Toxic Waste Mess).
*An annual Wealth Tax at 1.5% of the total. ($15K per megabuck - and no exceptions.)
*Inheritance taxation that allows for a 1MB inheritance to direct descendents at zero-percent taxation, and 100% above that amount. Any and all further monetary values may be contributed to an "authorized public entity" at zero taxation. If not they are confiscated.

 

[Lafayette]

and its dishonest to pretend the solutions you want should be based on the "most egregious examples" when your solutions are really intended to mostly apply to many others who aren't egregious.

That's turtle-speak, is it ... ?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Do you know the difference between federal income taxes and sales taxes?

And we have his own admission in the debates and the figures released and leaked about his over 900 million dollar loss and the results of that.

Of course, Trump himself could have cleared all that up - but he refused to spitting in the face of precedent desiring hide something in those returns most likely even more damaging that years of not paying federal income taxes.

I'm sure he has paid a considerable amount in state and federal taxes as well.

Now if you have proof to the contrary, then show us.

Are you really going to fall prey to the allegations from those who don't like him?

Your confirmation bias is showing.

You claimed he does not pay taxes. I assume you mean income taxes.

Put up or shut up please.

 

[ocean515]

Nowhere near what?

Nowhere near what you wrote about other states. That is fact. Prove that the 49 other States have the same levels of assistance, the same percentage of the population living in the US illegally, you know the facts I have now provided at least a half dozen times.

 

[joG]

A 75 year old is uninsurable in the private sector because they are 75 years old and thus are guaranteed to have large medical expenses within the next few years. The fact that the public sector got involved is a recognition of that, not the cause.

You do know, "that the public sector got involved is" is not in any way indication of whether or not the involvement was smart, efficient or even helpful. Just because you know there is a problem does not justify stupid action.

 

[Lafayette]

Uh that has no relevance to my point. If the rich had loopholes, we'd be paying less of the tax share than our share of the income

It has all the necessary relevance because it substantiates the fact that Upper-income Taxation is a "boondoggle" in America at less than 30%. That is, it is an "escape hatch" to move Income up to Wealth, from which is derived Net Worth.

Nobody "needs an income" of more than 100K per year to have a decent lifestyle in America. People want more to distinguish themselves from the rest of the pack. (Supposedly, they "excel" at what they do. BFD.)

Which is just a social convention that humans can well do without. A human being lives, makes the best of it and then dies. And s/he does not escape that rule regardless of the riches they have been able to amass.

It would be far better to individuals were they to put "content" into their lives rather than just amassing riches. (Which is why very high taxation is not such a bad idea.)

Moreover, those riches are useless in really improving anyone's lifestyle. A maximum of 1MB per year is far more than enough - and even too much. More simply accumulates and - by means of the present escape hatch at death - goes to children who never spent a day earning it. It just "fell into their laps" ...

 

[Lafayette]

Great news for you! Trump and the Republicans want to simplify the tax code and eliminate the loopholes.

Have you nothing better to do with your time than offering hyperbole as a rebuttal?

 

[Lafayette]

Why should I move? You are the one complaining that your ability to leech off your fellow Americans isn't as great as it is in Europe. Rather than turn America into your parasitical fantasy land, you move.

Blah, blah, blah.

M r a ...