You are one of the few who refuse to see that the emporer has no clothes.
Nope you are one of the ones who is so blind they cannot see. I am the one speaking of the reality of the situation and the historical perspective. Wars aren't won when the the homefront is lost. Thanks to the Dems it has been lost.
If there was progress shown,
What do you call all the the steps I have posted repeatedely. But at everyone of the time the Dems denigrated them and attacked.
Your nonsense about Dems denigrating the military is just more partisan garbage.
Calling them Nazi's is pretty denigrating I would say. Calling them people who can't do anything in life so they join the military is pretty denigrating I would say. Calling them stupid for joining is pretty denigrating I would say,
No one has denigrated the military....
The military has been slammed repeatedly.
What a joke that is, why would any of the countries want to join in when
The left and the Dems have engaged in a successful campaign to paint the war as illegal, immoral, unwinnable, all the enrich Cheney's oil buddies, run by incompitents, and a quigmire? And if you even try to deny that the left and the Dems have painted it that way you are being dishonest and you know it.
Bush has been flipping them the bird for 6 years?
Give me an example.
Getting what I paid for? Oh no, I paid for a war that would succeed. I paid for competent leadership....that's not what I got.
And what has the left and what have the Dems done to help? Not one person has been able to list one example.
The military has done its job, the politicians have not done their job.
I agree, the politicians I am talking about have done everything to can to demoralize the homefront and convince our enemies they can succeed if they will just hold out long enough for the Dems to take power and pull out.
This mess is clearly, unquestionably in Bush's lap. He had 100% control as CIC, he didn't do his job. Period.
He is CIC but that does not absolve the Dems and the left from their conceted campaign to bring him down and the war effort with him.
Not so, if you look back to when the polls started turning against the war, it was long before the Dems started speaking out in any numbers against the war.
Not so, the public was behind the war until the Dems launched their campaign of misinformation, misrepresentation, and propaganda. History will long note how they put their own political gain above the security of the country. And now we have to live with the consequences.
Who was in charge, the Democrats?
That's your excuse for the Dems?
No, the Reps have been in control, 100%, of this war.
And having to fight it on the frontlines and against the left and the Dems here. But you are proving my point. The Dems have not joined in to assure our victory, have done nothing that would have helped to have ended this a long time ago, and even now prefer to retreat and give our enemies their victory.
The Dems have had no chance to do anything about Iraq,
What on earth prevented them from supporting it. From joining in and showing that we are a united country with the will to win which just might have encourage other countries to help. Else they would have helped alot by just keeping their mouths shut.
and they have very little that they can realistically do even controlling both houses in Congress starting in January. The
They can cut the funding, which if they believe what they say they should do immediately.
CIC controls the fighting of wars,
He controls the operational, that's all. It's up to the rest of us to pitch in and support it and show the world we are in this to win. The Dems have engaged in just the opposite.
so it doesn't matter, really, what the Dems want to do....Bush is the "decider", remember? Silly me, I thought you understood the separation of powers.
Who funds it? Who authorizes it?
As far as resolve goes, I would argue that Bush has had tremendous resolve.....but that hasn't helped him to fight the war any more competently, has it?
Give me a specific example of how the Dems would have fought it more comptitently when the fact is they have done everything to encourage our defeat?
Resolve doesn't help if you don't know what you're doing. It's obvious to me that he doesn't, and he never did.
We know exactly what we are doing, and you seem to be under the impression that the President does tactical planning which he does not. If you had ever bothered to listen to him you might know what we were trying to do.
The clock is ticking. I don't think we have the luxury of waiting for the Baker group to come up with some sort of face-saving plan. I think by the time they get done "studying" the matter, we will be planning our pullout. Things are going downhill very quickly now. That's reality, not propaganda. Even Gunny sees the cards that are on the table.
We all do, there is no support here for the war. I have said that repeatedly. The will to win, the resolve has become a victem of the political sniping and propaganda of the left. Without that we cannot win and our enemies see themselves as the victors.
and I think that if we were to pull out now, it would only make things worse.
Hold on Babblou, it is YOUR side that has been crying for a pull out for two years. It is YOUR side that says this is illegal, immoral and unwinnable. It is YOUR side that has been saying STAYING will only make it worse and the longer we stay the worse it will get. Now there is a sudden change in tune here.
What do you hope to accomplish staying a minute longer? What will be made better?
What I see happening, though, is that we are accelerating into a full blown civil war, and when that happens, we will be forced to pull out. It's coming.
Sure, our enemies see that they are winning and that the most important thing here is to get out. OUr troops see that the country doesn't support what they are doing and in fact are being told what they are doing is immoral, evil, creating more terrorist, illegal and on and on and on. What do you think goes through their heads when they hear the likes of Pelosi and
Rangel, Durbin and the rest of them.
So tell me if you believe the propaganda the left has been spouting what is the purpose of staying any longer?
