Too bad they cant answer

[lacesaver]

Socialism was abandoned by Sweden when the filthy commie Olof Palme was rejected by the Swedish people in the 70s because they saw the writing on the wall and stopped it before it was too late. He was just like Bernie Sanders: a rotten democratic socialist who luved Fidel Castro, isn't that right @Juks ?



That's correct. So how does the community own or control (regulate) the means of production and distribution? Ninety-nine percent of the time it's done via the state. Sometimes the state nationalizes industries, like in the USSR, and other times the state controls industry while maintaining the illusion of private ownership, which is what the Nazis did.



Do you support collective farms and government-run grocery stores? Every single time that has been tried the result has been famine and massive levels of starvation. There are many reasons why socialism ends up killing millions. It needs to be a separate post.

We are waiting patiently to hear all of the many reasons socialism kills millions. Feel free to start another post.......

Accusations, could be followed up with a fact or 2. Or you opinion. Which ever you decide, as a human.

 

[Moderate Right]

Too bad we cant ask the 100,000,000 people that socialism killed last century, if they think socialism was a good idea.

How any fools can support socialism is beyond comprehension. It is simply not logical.

The problem is the left mistakenly believe that they can control socialism. After all of their accusations for four years against Trump wanting to be a dictator, they somehow believe you can give government and the few people who run it unlimited powers and it will never get out of control by anyone at any time and that the socialism will be controlled by "democracy". They really honestly believe that, even as they try to end the filibuster, add PR and DC as states, and perhaps add justices to the Supreme Court.

 

[aociswundumho]

We are waiting patiently to hear all of the many reasons socialism kills millions. Feel free to start another post.......

I will, maybe tonight.

 

[swing_voter]

The last two are socialists.

Hitler's government was socialist, but only if you were "Aryan".

Pol pot and Kim Il Sung were socialists. They're on the list too.



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[lacesaver]

I will, maybe tonight.

Take all the time necessary, we are going nowhere.
Thank you

 

[Luckyone]

Socialism was abandoned by Sweden when the filthy commie Olof Palme was rejected by the Swedish people in the 70s because they saw the writing on the wall and stopped it before it was too late. He was just like Bernie Sanders: a rotten democratic socialist who luved Fidel Castro, isn't that right @Juks ?



That's correct. So how does the community own or control (regulate) the means of production and distribution? Ninety-nine percent of the time it's done via the state. Sometimes the state nationalizes industries, like in the USSR, and other times the state controls industry while maintaining the illusion of private ownership, which is what the Nazis did.



Do you support collective farms and government-run grocery stores? Every single time that has been tried the result has been famine and massive levels of starvation. There are many reasons why socialism ends up killing millions. It needs to be a separate post.

Let me set you straight to begin with. I do not support Socialism in its definition. I do not believe that the people (as a group) can be in charge of anything and make it run well and successfully. Nonetheless, the idea of Socialism where the people have a voice and a measure of control over what happens is not bad. Any extreme is bad, such as Socialism like in Russia and North Korea, and like Capitalism with companies like AMZN controlling 80% of the purchase-of-products market.

Democratic Socialism works. It is a mix between Socialism and Capitalism where the people have a voice but don't run or control the key institutions. The middle road is always the best way to do things. Extreme apitalism as it is now in the U.S. is just as bad as the Socialism you are talking about.

 

[lacesaver]

The last two are socialists.

Hitler's government was socialist, but only if you were "Aryan".

Pol pot and Kim Il Sung were socialists. They're on the list too.



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That’s an awesome graphic!! I love it

That’s a great start.
Now for the hard questions, why did they kill so many humans? Were they different? Did the killer only want certain humans alive? Did they fear something? Did they hate something? Was resistance a factor in those killings? Or simply, the killers didn’t like them around...... is that a description of a human behavior?

On the flip-side, what ruler or President didn’t want to kill people? But had too....Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman.....did they order humans to go and kill, be killed? Consequences to illegal actions?!? Is this different when death is a consequences, justified? Justification is on the other side of the spectrum.....ohhh! So which ever side of the spectrum you see, it makes it ok!! Yes!! No?

Fun fact! The diversity we have today, was created by generations of humans willing to go against the grain. Even those killers couldn’t stop diversity......

And the idea of a pure race of human, is starting to fade away, with genetic testing. Will we eventually be a mix of every thing. Can we accept, our own diversity inside of us..... to then see diversity around us, as acceptable.

That Democrats and Republicans are the same thing, with different beliefs. Why hate something you are? Talk about your beliefs to find a compromise. America is waiting.....

 

[Juks]

Socialism was abandoned by Sweden when the filthy commie Olof Palme was rejected by the Swedish people in the 70s because they saw the writing on the wall and stopped it before it was too late. He was just like Bernie Sanders: a rotten democratic socialist who luved Fidel Castro, isn't that right @Juks ?

Not quite, Olof Palme was our Prime minister until his death 1986. He was greatly respected and admired in my country and still is, even by political opponents.

I don't know what writing on the wall you are talking about. don't even know what that means.

 

[lacesaver]

Let me set you straight to begin with. I do not support Socialism in its definition. I do not believe that the people (as a group) can be in charge of anything and make it run well and successfully. Nonetheless, the idea of Socialism where the people have a voice and a measure of control over what happens is not bad. Any extreme is bad, such as Socialism like in Russia and North Korea, and like Capitalism with companies like AMZN controlling 80% of the purchase-of-products market.

Democratic Socialism works. It is a mix between Socialism and Capitalism where the people have a voice but don't run or control the key institutions. The middle road is always the best way to do things. Extreme apitalism as it is now in the U.S. is just as bad as the Socialism you are talking about.

Great comment!!!

So how do we navigate extremism?
Hmmm! Interesting.

With the opposite? With more extremism? Ultra extremism!!!

What is the opposite of extremism? Passiveness?!? Hmmm! No one believes in pacifists! Hmmmm!

How about a Pacifist who was an Extremist.....

Kinda, like hackers, who work for the government now.....

Former Criminals who help police officers.....

Recovered Alcoholics helping Alcoholics.....

Thank you, sir!! I love this conversation. It has brought many good thoughts to my mind.

 

[Luckyone]

Great comment!!!

So how do we navigate extremism?
Hmmm! Interesting.

With the opposite? With more extremism? Ultra extremism!!!

What is the opposite of extremism? Passiveness?!? Hmmm! No one believes in pacifists! Hmmmm!

How about a Pacifist who was an Extremist.....

Kinda, like hackers, who work for the government now.....

Former Criminals who help police officers.....

Recovered Alcoholics helping Alcoholics.....

Thank you, sir!! I love this conversation. It has brought many good thoughts to my mind.

That is why laws, regulations and limits need to exist so that any extreme is punished. For your example, pacifists should be punished for doing nothing, the same way that extremists to the opposite side be punished for doing too much.

 

[buck]

The problem is the left mistakenly believe that they can control socialism. After all of their accusations for four years against Trump wanting to be a dictator, they somehow believe you can give government and the few people who run it unlimited powers and it will never get out of control by anyone at any time and that the socialism will be controlled by "democracy".

I think that really is a big issue. There is zero possibility that people in the government could know what is best. Especially with all the specialties and complexities in today's world.

Then, we would have the problem of what occurs if someone refuses the govt's demands? Socialism (even democratic socialism) requires more authoritarian control than capitalism.

 

[Juks]

I think that really is a big issue. There is zero possibility that people in the government could know what is best. Especially with all the specialties and complexities in today's world.

Then, we would have the problem of what occurs if someone refuses the govt's demands? Socialism (even democratic socialism) requires more authoritarian control than capitalism.

You don't think you have authoritarien control in the US? We obviously have different definition for that word. My definition is for the control (political and economical) of those in political power contra those governed. I think it is extensive in the US compared to Sweden, al time.

 

[buck]

You don't think you have authoritarien control in the US? We obviously have different definition for that word. My definition is for the control (political and economical) of those in political power contra those governed. I think it is extensive in the US compared to Sweden, al time.

I do not believe that the US is authoritarian. But, for the sake of argument, I can assume it is. It will be far more authoritarian under socialism / demo socialism. It would have to be.

 

[SCrider]

What does that have to do with making sure a kid whose dad just lost his job still gets something to eat and a basic education?

What color is the kid?

 

[lacesaver]

That is why laws, regulations and limits need to exist so that any extreme is punished. For your example, pacifists should be punished for doing nothing, the same way that extremists to the opposite side be punished for doing too much.

Very true!!

Could punishment be defined? Could the punishment fit the crime? Who, is in charge of punishment, a vicious cycle has now been completed.

Should individuals be ask what a good punishment is for themselves....

While standing in a room full of victims....

Vigilante/Self punishment!!!

no where to run, no where to hide, you don’t get out till we let you out. Sounds like jail.

I do like your thinking.....thank you ,sir!

 

[Questerr]

So capitalism, is responsible for people’s deaths.

Can I break this statement down to its core? Yes!

Some Humans engage in Capitalism. The act of selfishness, to gain profit. Acceptable behavior by most humans. Some humans live off the Government, socialism. Then that human makes a decision to do with that profit, as they choose. After, giving the government its share.....for its programs of spending money.

The humans choice (free will) with their profits can be anything. Socialism, giving to others less fortunate. Dictatorship, giving to only what one decides for themselves. Republic, giving to what a consensus of all decide. Democracy, giving to what a majority group decides.

I stopped reading here. Your definitions are shit.

 

[Luckyone]

Very true!!

Could punishment be defined? Could the punishment fit the crime? Who, is in charge of punishment, a vicious cycle has now been completed.

Should individuals be ask what a good punishment is for themselves....

While standing in a room full of victims....

Vigilante/Self punishment!!!

no where to run, no where to hide, you don’t get out till we let you out. Sounds like jail.

I do like your thinking.....thank you ,sir!

Punishment is defined as far as the law being broken is concerned. Extremes are not yet clearly defined but should be. It is like Biden is trying to do and put an "extra" tax on the Uber rich. That means they are paying extra for their extreme action of making money for themselves.

 

[iguanaman]

But the Nazi ran a huge centralized government that was strictly socialist. As with any socialist gov, the gov controlled everything. You can blather all you want but the Nazi gov was socialism in it truest form.

You say that because you do not know what socialism is. The huge centralized Govt. is a hallmark of totalitarian regimes as are the huge for profit corporations that both supported and benefitted from the regime. You can't have socialism while making a few industrialists very wealthy by supplying slave labor. The 3rd Reich was a right wing military dictatorship similar to many in S. America in the 1960's and like those regimes it was distinctly and violently anti-socialist.

The existence of right-wing dictatorships in Europe are largely associated with the rise of fascism. The conditions created by World War I and its aftermath gave way both to revolutionary socialism and reactionary politics. Fascism arose as part of the reaction to the socialist movement, in attempt to recreate a perceived status quo ante bellum.[2] Right-wing dictatorships in Europe were mostly destroyed with the Allied victory in World War II, although some continued to exist in Europe until the 1970s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_dictatorship

 

[lacesaver]

I stopped reading here. Your definitions are shit.

Did you do a full stop. My opinion is my own. Care to voice your opinion.

The rest of us are having great conversations.

Please join us.....all humans are welcome.

 

[lacesaver]

Punishment is defined as far as the law being broken is concerned. Extremes are not yet clearly defined but should be. It is like Biden is trying to do and put an "extra" tax on the Uber rich. That means they are paying extra for their extreme action of making money for themselves.

Feels good to be in the middle, hey!

Your statements are encouraging. Wonder what could be done about the extremes that are controllable? Like mental health and gin ownership, Yes! Excessive taxation, mass border crossings, destruction of low-income family structures, mass incarceration non-rehabilitation programs.....

Maybe things like that......?.......

Could all government representatives present a solution to the big extreme topics. Then lock themselves in a room, till they figure out a long term plan, that everyone agrees upon.

If we can do it on this forum, why can’t they. Questerrr left the conversation, she may be back.

 

[lacesaver]

You say that because you do not know what socialism is. The huge centralized Govt. is a hallmark of totalitarian regimes as are the huge for profit corporations that both supported and benefitted from the regime. You can't have socialism while making a few industrialists very wealthy by supplying slave labor. The 3rd Reich was a right wing military dictatorship similar to many in S. America in the 1960's and like those regimes it was distinctly and violently anti-socialist.

The existence of right-wing dictatorships in Europe are largely associated with the rise of fascism. The conditions created by World War I and its aftermath gave way both to revolutionary socialism and reactionary politics. Fascism arose as part of the reaction to the socialist movement, in attempt to recreate a perceived status quo ante bellum.[2] Right-wing dictatorships in Europe were mostly destroyed with the Allied victory in World War II, although some continued to exist in Europe until the 1970s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_dictatorship

Sounds like history was trying to repeat itself.....what stopped it?

The law of the Republic of the United States. That was created as a Rebublic, then morphed into a Democracy with the 19th Amendment.....

Someone smart told me that statement!!

hmmm! Who do we thank for our existence? The universe? God? Budda? Karma? The founding fathers? The American people? My mother and father?

so many things had to happen, for me to be here today, talking to you. How lucky do you feel? I feel lucky to be alive!!! We almost had a government takeover.....

 

[Logical1]

What schools these days are teaching the true history of socialism and all the deaths it has created???

 

[Hamish Howl]

Too bad we cant ask the 100,000,000 people that socialism killed last century, if they think socialism was a good idea.

How any fools can support socialism is beyond comprehension. It is simply not logical.

I see they changed the number again.

 

[rickc]

Right wing propaganda is very effective

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

They are the combined citizens of the USSR, Nazi Germany, and China under Mao, killed the last century. Look it up!!!!!

Well at least you included a fascist country, which proves that authoritarianism killed those people, and not brand name political ideology.