To the extent abortion should be allowed, and conditions that should be met

[yukita]

Why do you care what others decide for themselves?

Why do I care to express my own opinion?

 

[mrjurrs]

Why do I care to express my own opinion?

That's not what I asked. What forms your opinion and places your opinion over theirs?

 

[Jessie C]

Or maybe I can have more nuance for both sides of reasoning and form my own opinion than stick to a black and white way of thinking?

So basically, you don't know how you feel about it, gotcha!

 

[Ginger Ale]

Why do I care to express my own opinion?

Just don't get an abortion if you don't want one. Problem solved. Why do you have to regulate other women? Why do you feel like your way is the right way?

 

[BirdinHand]

Oh look…another new poster focused on restricting women’s bodily autonomy.

How original.

 

[TheGoverness]

I also think an abortion shouldn't be administered without a medical report filed by 2 or more credible (female) physicians.

What would be the purpose of this report? Who would be able to legally access this report (HIPPA)?

 

[Loulit01]

I'd like to once again take the opportunity to get the hell out of the way when women talk to their doctors.

 

[soylentgreen]

Well, I think it's necessary when I also value the life of an unborn child, as long as it doesn't threaten the mother's life past a certain point.

However to prevent any possible fabricated medical report, of course past 120 days, it would be required for it to be signed off, etc.

Maybe my own bias towards people having the same gendered doctor is there, it's tied to other beliefs I hold that are out of topic.

That would be forcing your values on others if you want your values to be the law.
Conspiracy theories are always laughable. Do you have good evidence that doctors are unscrupulous bastards who ignore the ethical codes set as a standard for all doctors. Or is it just a case of if one errs then all should be punished.
As long as you make it clear that it is just a personal, subjective preference for you then not my problem. Try and tell us that there is good evidence and reasons for it then I will refute.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I'd just like to see what other people have to say.

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There is of course more nuance between pro-life and pro-choice.

Personally, I think no abortion should take place past 120 days, unless it's to save the mother's life. At 120 days, it's practically having a soul of its own without a doubt, and still pregnancy is still a very significant and should be treated as something with respect. The mother's life is still significant

Before, I think in situations of rape, mental & physical instability, and some other extreme cases.

And even earlier, around the first 12 weeks, reasoning such as finical struggles, etc, are questionable for me.

I also think an abortion shouldn't be administered without a medical report filed by 2 or more credible (female) physicians.

I don't think you have a right to inflict your beliefs on others. How about where the fetus has no chance for various reasons?

 

[Gordy327]

I'd just like to see what other people have to say.

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There is of course more nuance between pro-life and pro-choice.

Personally, I think no abortion should take place past 120 days, unless it's to save the mother's life. At 120 days, it's practically having a soul of its own without a doubt, and still pregnancy is still a very significant and should be treated as something with respect. The mother's life is still significant

Before, I think in situations of rape, mental & physical instability, and some other extreme cases.

And even earlier, around the first 12 weeks, reasoning such as finical struggles, etc, are questionable for me.

I also think an abortion shouldn't be administered without a medical report filed by 2 or more credible (female) physicians.

Prove there's a soul or that a fetus has one at 120 days.
Why should a medical report be filed? At least beyond a report in the patient's chart like all other medical procedures or interventions? And report to whom exactly and for what reason?
I agree the woman's life is important, even more so than gestational contents. Bur whether pregnancy is significant or important is for the woman herself to decide. Not for anyone else.

 

[Gordy327]

I personally believe that abortion past 120 days is unjustifiable unless the mother's life is at an undeniable risk. I also do think there should be filed reports for abortion to keep history for medical track records. The process should be quick and not determined by some state, but proscribed by a physician of choice, preferably another woman.

What makes abortion past 120 days unjustifiable? Whom does a woman need to justify her abortion choice to.

 

[yukita]

That's not what I asked. What forms your opinion to restrict others decisions?

Jokes and I being a slight prick aside, this is stemming from my own beliefs on valuing the unborn child's life as long as it doesn't threaten a mother's life or well-being.

 

[yukita]

Just don't get an abortion if you don't want one. Problem solved. Why do you have to regulate other women? Why do you feel like your way is the right way?

My opinion probably won't restrict the right's of others, especially since I don't plan on seeking it being legally enforce or anything. Just something I do with my loud mouth of mine

 

[Gordy327]

No, it should stay between the woman and physician/doctor, which can be shared to the health insurance company as they are involved too.

The same holds true of pregnancy and abortion.

Well, I think it's necessary when I also value the life of an unborn child, as long as it doesn't threaten the mother's life past a certain point.

However to prevent any possible fabricated medical report, of course past 120 days, it would be required for it to be signed off, etc.

Maybe my own bias towards people having the same gendered doctor is there, it's tied to other beliefs I hold that are out of topic.

How does gender make a difference, other than possibly for patient's personal comfort? As long as a physician is trained and certified to provide medical care with respect to their practice, gender makes no difference.

Jokes and I being a slight prick aside, this is stemming from my own beliefs on valuing the unborn child's life as long as it doesn't threaten a mother's life or well-being.

What's the "value" of the unborn/human life?

My opinion probably won't restrict the right's of others, especially since I don't plan on seeking it being legally enforce or anything. Just something I do with my loud mouth of mine

Fair enough.

 

[Lursa]

I personally believe that abortion past 120 days is unjustifiable unless the mother's life is at an undeniable risk. I also do think there should be filed reports for abortion to keep history for medical track records. The process should be quick and not determined by some state, but proscribed by a physician of choice, preferably another woman.

Why?

Btw, I dont believe any restrictions are necessary. Why do you believe there should be?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

There isn't. Heck, men are encouraged to sleep around and shift all blame onto women, when in reality it's just as bad when he partakes in such things.

If men could get pregnant, abortions would be sold from vending machines.

The reich-wing is after power and control. Nothing more.

 

[Lursa]

Jokes and I being a slight prick aside, this is stemming from my own beliefs on valuing the unborn child's life as long as it doesn't threaten a mother's life or well-being.

Every single pregnancy presents a significant chance of permanent health damage or disability, even death. This cannot always be predicted or prevented. 9 months of pregnancy by someone who cannot afford or does not want to care for one risks everything in her future...her job/income is in jeopardy, she may lose valuable time in a career or higher education, she may not be able to care for her dependents, she may not be able to fulfill her obligations to others, like family, community, church, society.

It affects the woman's own potential and self-determination. I dont know why that should be sacrificed in order to allow the unborn the exact same thing, as if it is more deserving?

I value the unborn but I value all born people more and in no way to do I value the unborn over the lives and impacts on all those "others."

 

[Ginger Ale]

My opinion probably won't restrict the right's of others, especially since I don't plan on seeking it being legally enforce or anything. Just something I do with my loud mouth of mine

Yeah, well, I don't buy it. I think you'll go vote for regulation on a woman's body, and I think that's because it will be close enough to your beliefs for you to feel comfortable imposing it.

There are plenty of Christian Extremists in state governments who's wet dream is preventing women from making choices that are best for them and deciding to for them based on their fantasy of when life starts.

It's is unfortunate because women are now lacking prenatal care because of it. We will loose good OBGYN's because who wants to go through this shit. Women already had inferior care to men, and this will make it even worse.

I can't say I wish you well regarding your personal opinion on regulating my choices, I think the why is obvious. I'm just going to vote against your opinions and hopefully keep your opinions out of my womb.

I hope you can find it in yourself to start trusting other women to make the right choices for themselves with their doctors. That's would be the best outcome.

 

[Ginger Ale]

If men could get pregnant, abortions would be sold from vending machines.

The reich-wing is after power and control. Nothing more.

Isn't that the damn truth!

 

[Ginger Ale]

I'd like to once again take the opportunity to get the hell out of the way when women talk to their doctors.

Strange that this ^^ is so refreshing!! Thank you!

 

[choiceone]

For the same reason why other surgical operations are tracked, etc. That way, if something goes wrong, not just the medical report with information of who performed the abortion and what methods were used can help best decide for future interventions. As some abortion operations can result in physical injury, or some medications for such can still bring technical difficultly. Even further, I also think a medical report for filing an abortion should constitute for a mandatory time period to rest from work, or even be eligible for mandatory therapy. As abortion is still a very traumatic experience for women in general.

However, since it's personal information, it should stay confidential and never accessible for someone who doesn't have the personal permission like a doctor, etc.

I completely disagree with this mandate crap. I had two heart attacks. I certainly attempted not to have any more, but no one "tracks" me. I had and continue to have the right to refuse to have medical treatment. Will you force certain persons to have chemo for cancer even if they'd rather die naturally than go through a process that essentially poisons and often kills even healthy cells on the grounds that doctors are so infallible? Some people actually physically can't go through that treatment.

It's disgusting to give anyone mandatory control of another's body. You may be thinking, instead, about using a mandate to say that an employer has to give a person time off or an insurance policy has to pay for a person's therapy - but that isn't a mandate on a patient. I am extremely leery of all uses of the word "mandate," of government tracking of anyone's medical treatments.

Please note that, if a person chooses to go to a doctor in the US, the person can choose a particular doctor and reject another. But if I vote for a state or federal legislator, or a governor, or a judge, or a president, that doesn't guarantee that the ones I vote for will be elected. Why should my political opponents get to rape my body?

 

[choiceone]

Doctors are limited by their own professional ethics which they can pay high penalties for if they break. Doctors are unlikely to perform an abortion at 18 weeks merely because of a whim on the part of the woman. They would require a proven medical condition that endangers the life of the mother or child.
As for whether the doctor is male or female that should surely be a decision for the patient to make as to which they feel comfortable with rather than some rule that supposes a woman is more likely to be in tune with another female which kind of sounds a bit sexist.
But having two doctors sign off on an abortion is nothing more than making women jump through hoops of legal nonsense just to get a medical procedure.

Usually I'm quite sympathetic to your posts, and I am here on issues of the sex of the doctor and more than one doctor. But it's important to stop with this "life of the mother" crap. We need to say "endangers the health or life of the woman" because the health of the woman is also important, notably at 18 weeks, when continuing a problem pregnancy could put her at risk of becoming infertile, having a heart attack which would harm her health, but not her life, etc. Again, if the fetus has a really serious, but not fatal, deformity, why would that not be as important? In most cases of abortion past 18 weeks, the issue of health and not just life is why we constantly have to object to the stupidity of anti-choicers.

 

[choiceone]

Jokes and I being a slight prick aside, this is stemming from my own beliefs on valuing the unborn child's life as long as it doesn't threaten a mother's life or well-being.

Virtually all pregnancies threaten a woman's well-being. Not to recognize that is to imagine that pregnancy doesn't involve having part of the normal immune system suppressed or that growing something the size of a watermelon in your uterus is business as usual! (PS A woman isn't a prick by definition).

 

[choiceone]

My opinion probably won't restrict the right's of others, especially since I don't plan on seeking it being legally enforce or anything. Just something I do with my loud mouth of mine.

So, basically, you're just pro-choice and plan to support pro-choice laws, no restrictions by law, but you have some limits for yourself. If you'll vote pro-choice, who could object save one of the anti-abortion freaks?

 

[mrjurrs]

Jokes and I being a slight prick aside, this is stemming from my own beliefs on valuing the unborn child's life as long as it doesn't threaten a mother's life or well-being.

Who gets to decide what well-being means?