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[Navy Pride]

That's the point. I'm a little more concerned with those that are already living and do not have good homes. We need to learn to take care of those that are already here before we worry about those that are not.

I haven't been hiding anywhere....there just hasn't been much that I've felt like I actually needed to comment on lately. :smile:

I would be willing to bet you if there were a way to converse with those babies in the womb that are getting butchered and you were able to ask them would you rather be aborted or born and placed in and orphanage what do you think they might say?

OK, well don't be a stranger.........

 

[Naughty Nurse]

I would be willing to bet you if there were a way to converse with those babies in the womb that are getting butchered and you were able to ask them would you rather be aborted or born and placed in and orphanage what do you think they might say?

NP, I'm a little confused, so please help.

Just a short time ago you were telling me about the 5 year waiting list for babies in the USA. Now you are talking about orphanages. Obviously I've missed soemthing, because there seems to be a contradiction there.

 

[Navy Pride]

NP, I'm a little confused, so please help.

Just a short time ago you were telling me about the 5 year waiting list for babies in the USA. Now you are talking about orphanages. Obviously I've missed soemthing, because there seems to be a contradiction there.

stace was talking about orphanages.I was responding to her posts.......Her thinking is its ok to abort babies in the womb becasue there are to many children in orphanages.....

I disagree with that thinking strongly......

I hope that clears it up for you..................

 

[Navy Pride]

Unfortunately to some people the foetus is of supreme importance, but once it is out of the womb it can be abandoned to fate. Doesn't make much sense to me, but obviously I'm missing something.

We are going around in circles on this NN..........

 

[Stace]

stace was talking about orphanages.I was responding to her posts.......Her thinking is its ok to abort babies in the womb becasue there are to many children in orphanages.....

I disagree with that thinking strongly......

I hope that clears it up for you..................

I did not say anything like that.

Anyone else ever see me say anything like that?

 

[Naughty Nurse]

stace was talking about orphanages.I was responding to her posts.......Her thinking is its ok to abort babies in the womb becasue there are to many children in orphanages.....

I disagree with that thinking strongly......

I hope that clears it up for you..................

No, it doesn't!

Do you mean there are no children in orphanages, or there are not enough children in orphanages, or there is just the right number of children in orphanages, or it doesn't matter how many children there are in orphanages because, let's face it, they're not foetuses?

Curioser and curioser.

 

[Navy Pride]

I did not say anything like that.

Anyone else ever see me say anything like that?

Yeah you said something to the effect that kids already born are more important then those in the womb.............

I can go back and get the quote if you like........

 

[Stace]

Yeah you said something to the effect that kids already born are more important then those in the womb.............

I can go back and get the quote if you like........

That does not translate into saying that it is ok to abort because there are too many kids in orphanages.

Read what is written, not what you wish I would say just so you can argue with me. :2razz:

 

[Navy Pride]

That does not translate into saying that it is ok to abort because there are too many kids in orphanages.

Read what is written, not what you wish I would say just so you can argue with me. :2razz:

Your words not mine:

stace said:
That's the point. I'm a little more concerned with those that are already living and do not have good homes. We need to learn to take care of those that are already here before we worry about those that are not.

 

[Navy Pride]

No, it doesn't!

Do you mean there are no children in orphanages, or there are not enough children in orphanages, or there is just the right number of children in orphanages, or it doesn't matter how many children there are in orphanages because, let's face it, they're not foetuses?

Curioser and curioser.

Sadly there are thousands of children in orphanages but that has nothing to do with aborting babies in the womb...........

2 wrongs don't make a right.........

 

[Stace]

Your words not mine:

stace said:
That's the point. I'm a little more concerned with those that are already living and do not have good homes. We need to learn to take care of those that are already here before we worry about those that are not.

That still doesn't translate into "abortion is ok because there's too many kids in orphanages", no matter what language you put it in.

Did you ever stop and really think about that statement? I'm not just talking about children and babies there. I'm talking about EVERYONE. There are too many people in this world that are so selfish, they couldn't give a damn about anyone outside of their immediate family and maybe a few close friends. If people were more willing to help others, we probably wouldn't have so many abortions in the first place, nor would we have so many children taken away from their parents because their parents were abusive or because of neglect, because we wouldn't have so many parents that were abusive or neglectful.

 

[Navy Pride]

Your words not mine:

stace said:
That's the point. I'm a little more concerned with those that are already living and do not have good homes. We need to learn to take care of those that are already here before we worry about those that are not.

That still doesn't translate into "abortion is ok because there's too many kids in orphanages", no matter what language you put it in.

Did you ever stop and really think about that statement? I'm not just talking about children and babies there. I'm talking about EVERYONE. There are too many people in this world that are so selfish, they couldn't give a damn about anyone outside of their immediate family and maybe a few close friends. If people were more willing to help others, we probably wouldn't have so many abortions in the first place, nor would we have so many children taken away from their parents because their parents were abusive or because of neglect, because we wouldn't have so many parents that were abusive or neglectful.

That is all true and those are all problems but that does not justify butchering innocent, defenseless babies in the womb when they are couple dying out there to adopt new borns........

 

[Stace]

That is all true and those are all problems but that does not justify butchering innocent, defenseless babies in the womb when they are couple dying out there to adopt new borns........

Those couples shouldn't be so picky. If they are unable to conceive a child of their own, they should be more willing to adopt ANY child that they can love and nurture. Fetuses don't know the difference; those children in the orphanages do.

 

[Navy Pride]

Those couples shouldn't be so picky. If they are unable to conceive a child of their own, they should be more willing to adopt ANY child that they can love and nurture. Fetuses don't know the difference; those children in the orphanages do.

Like I said in the post you conveniently ignored, if there a way to communicate with a baby in the womb (I know you like to call it a fetus because it makes you feel better that it is not human) and you asked the baby would you rather ahve your head squashed in and abortion or would you rather be born and placed in and orphanage I bet every baby would say give me the chance for life you gave those kids in the orphanage...Please don't kill me..........

The difference between you and I is I value both the life of the children in the orphanage and the children in the womb........You seem to only value one....

 

[Stace]

Like I said in the post you conveniently ignored, if there a way to communicate with a baby in the womb (I know you like to call it a fetus because it makes you feel better that it is not human)

Nope. When I call it a fetus, it is because I am using the correct medical terminology. I know that it is human, I have one inside myself right now, don't I? I'm certainly not expecting a litter of puppies or an alien.

and you asked the baby would you rather ahve your head squashed in and abortion or would you rather be born and placed in and orphanage I bet every baby would say give me the chance for life you gave those kids in the orphanage...Please don't kill me..........

There's no way you can guarantee that. You'd also have to explain WHY they might be placed in an orphanage. Sorry, but if I had known what lay ahead in my own childhood, I probably would have preferred to have been aborted. Sure, I've got a pretty great life now, but that's because of my own doing, and because I took MYSELF out of the environment I was in. But those experiences will never leave me, and if given a choice, I certainly would have chosen to not experience them at all.

The difference between you and I is I value both the life of the children in the orphanage and the children in the womb........You seem to only value one....

And that's where you're wrong. I don't think that abortion is the right answer in all cases, but sometimes, it truly is the only option. I'd rather that child not have a life at all than suffer once it is out of the womb. Of course, in an ideal world, every pregnant woman would be given the proper care and support to nurture the pregnancy and the subsequent child, but this isn't an ideal world, and we have enough people suffering as it is; I find it cruel to force more to suffer just because some people don't like abortion.

 

[Navy Pride]

Nope. When I call it a fetus, it is because I am using the correct medical terminology. I know that it is human, I have one inside myself right now, don't I? I'm certainly not expecting a litter of puppies or an alien.



There's no way you can guarantee that. You'd also have to explain WHY they might be placed in an orphanage. Sorry, but if I had known what lay ahead in my own childhood, I probably would have preferred to have been aborted. Sure, I've got a pretty great life now, but that's because of my own doing, and because I took MYSELF out of the environment I was in. But those experiences will never leave me, and if given a choice, I certainly would have chosen to not experience them at all.



And that's where you're wrong. I don't think that abortion is the right answer in all cases, but sometimes, it truly is the only option. I'd rather that child not have a life at all than suffer once it is out of the womb. Of course, in an ideal world, every pregnant woman would be given the proper care and support to nurture the pregnancy and the subsequent child, but this isn't an ideal world, and we have enough people suffering as it is; I find it cruel to force more to suffer just because some people don't like abortion.

You still did not respond to my scenario but that is OK.....We both know the answer.......

I truly beleive that the only time a baby should be butchered in the womb is if the mothers life is endangered or possibly in the case of rape and incest.......

I hope you feel different when you give beith to your fetus........God, that even sounds obnoxious..........

 

[Stace]

You still did not respond to my scenario but that is OK.....We both know the answer.......

Reread my second paragraph. The answer is in there, trust me.

I truly beleive that the only time a baby should be butchered in the womb is if the mothers life is endangered or possibly in the case of rape and incest.......

In an ideal world, those would be the only necessary cases for abortion, but as we've already discussed, this is not an ideal world. Women do also require what amounts to an abortion for miscarriages that happen later in the pregnancy (sometimes, if her body doesn't expel the fetus on its own, anyway) and for stillbirths (those happen anytime after I think 21 weeks right up to the due date). There are also the cases where the mother undergos an abortion because genetic testing shows that the fetus would have no chance of survival outside of the womb.....it's a lot easier emotionally on a woman to undergo an abortion in that case than to carry the pregnancy to term and then have to watch the baby die.

I hope you feel different when you give beith to your fetus........God, that even sounds obnoxious..........

No, once I give birth, it'll be a baby. Right now, medically speaking, it's still an embryo; I haven't got to the stage where it's considered a fetus. But to me, it's Doodlebug (since I don't know the gender yet, obviously). :2razz:

 

[Naughty Nurse]

Sadly there are thousands of children in orphanages but that has nothing to do with aborting babies in the womb...........

2 wrongs don't make a right.........

Mmmm, during the course of one long night shift, you have posted that there is a huge waiting list of parents wanting to adopt, so ending abortion won't be a problem, and there are thousands of children in orphanages.

With all this misinformation, what is a poor, tired little English person supposed to think?

 

[cnredd]

With all this misinformation, what is a poor, tired little English person supposed to think?

cnredd has a nice ass?...

 

[Naughty Nurse]

cnredd has a nice ass?...

Well honey, that's a simple fact, beyond dispute.

 

[Navy Pride]

Reread my second paragraph. The answer is in there, trust me.



In an ideal world, those would be the only necessary cases for abortion, but as we've already discussed, this is not an ideal world. Women do also require what amounts to an abortion for miscarriages that happen later in the pregnancy (sometimes, if her body doesn't expel the fetus on its own, anyway) and for stillbirths (those happen anytime after I think 21 weeks right up to the due date). There are also the cases where the mother undergos an abortion because genetic testing shows that the fetus would have no chance of survival outside of the womb.....it's a lot easier emotionally on a woman to undergo an abortion in that case than to carry the pregnancy to term and then have to watch the baby die.



No, once I give birth, it'll be a baby. Right now, medically speaking, it's still an embryo; I haven't got to the stage where it's considered a fetus. But to me, it's Doodlebug (since I don't know the gender yet, obviously). :2razz:

No matter how you try and justify it the butchering of over 40,000,000 babies in the womb since Roe V Wade was implemented is unsatisfactory......

You can tell yourself over and over again that it is not a baby, not life but I think you know in your heart it is........Pretty soon that so called fetus will be kicking and taking nourishment from your body......It is a mairacle that God gives us and should never be destroyed....Hopefully like the woman who was the Plaintiff in Roe V Wade has seen and has said her abortion was the biggest mistake of her life you will someday God willing you will see how horrific unnecessary abortions are.......

I hope so anyway..........

 

[Navy Pride]

Mmmm, during the course of one long night shift, you have posted that there is a huge waiting list of parents wanting to adopt, so ending abortion won't be a problem, and there are thousands of children in orphanages.

With all this misinformation, what is a poor, tired little English person supposed to think?

I have no clue what you think but in this country if someone becomes pregnant and can't afford to give birth there are all kinds of charitable pro life agencies that will help the mother and there will be no problem in finding a couple from the long list of waiting to take the child...........

 

[Stace]

No matter how you try and justify it the butchering of over 40,000,000 babies in the womb since Roe V Wade was implemented is unsatisfactory......

To, you, maybe. It seems to have worked pretty well for the 40 million women who sought those abortions, for whatever reason.

You can tell yourself over and over again that it is not a baby, not life but I think you know in your heart it is........

No, I know that it will become a baby.

Pretty soon that so called fetus will be kicking and taking nourishment from your body......

So called fetus? Medical experts would beg to disagree, especially seeing as how my pregnancy is still in the embryonic stage. And it is already kicking, I just can't feel it yet; it is already taking nourishment from my body.

It is a mairacle that God gives us and should never be destroyed....

Well, I don't believe in God, so that little bit is irrelevant to me.

Hopefully like the woman who was the Plaintiff in Roe V Wade has seen and has said her abortion was the biggest mistake of her life you will someday God willing you will see how horrific unnecessary abortions are.......

I hope so anyway..........

Well, you know, I've never had an abortion, nor do I plan on having one, though sometimes you just never know. Regardless, it's not my place to tell some other woman what she can and can't do regarding her own body.

 

[Navy Pride]

To, you, maybe. It seems to have worked pretty well for the 40 million women who sought those abortions, for whatever reason.



No, I know that it will become a baby.



So called fetus? Medical experts would beg to disagree, especially seeing as how my pregnancy is still in the embryonic stage. And it is already kicking, I just can't feel it yet; it is already taking nourishment from my body.



Well, I don't believe in God, so that little bit is irrelevant to me.



Well, you know, I've never had an abortion, nor do I plan on having one, though sometimes you just never know. Regardless, it's not my place to tell some other woman what she can and can't do regarding her own body.

Well there is not much more to say..Its obvious that you consider th infant in the womb a sub human and that is to bad........As you grow older and wiser hopefully your thinking will change............

 

[Naughty Nurse]

I have no clue what you think

Or. it would appear, no clue as to what you yourself think. You manage to contradict yourself left, right and centre (but presumably more right )