Time to Open?

[jamesbyoung]

Until people are willing to social distance when out and about and in Costco, no opening,

 

[bomberfox]

Until we have enough testing kits to properly figure out how much the virus has spread, no reopening.

 

[swing_voter]

Let the individual states decide.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Heck our delivery guy yesterday just about panicked when I opened the door before he got to our steps, and he was wearing a mask. I had to close the door to let him put the food in a chair on our porch and text me.

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I've been leaving delivery directions as put on front step and leave. I'm always home and waiting, my dog is my doorbell if someone approaches our front door. If I'm right there, I thank them through the front window, which is not too close to the door or walkway. I'd be nervous too having to deliver to the public every day, I've been tipping higher than normal during this pandemic, because I appreciate food deliveries from supermarkets or restaurants that save me from having to be near anyone for no good reason. All those folks are taking more of a risk in getting infected with the virus.

 

[devildavid]

Time to die?

 

[MSgt]

Pass out the N95s and test kits, then get back to work.

Of course, us being the wealthiest country in human history, means that we can't afford to get such things done. Crazy how we once went to the moon.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Since the public and businesses, not the Governors or President, will have the say over when to reduce social distancing and reopen the economy, are you personally ready? Is May 1st, long enough, especially if they come out with nationwide saliva testing?

Now, I know there will be staggered openings, depending on the curve and which states have the sickest, but some are saying as long as 2022 now. I don't think I could handle that long voluntarily, nor could the economy.

We should never have locked everyone down in the first place.

The sensible, and far cheaper and less economically damaging thing to do would have been to isolate/lock-down the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions that are susceptible to the virus.

Let everyone else continue to work, spend our tax money to support just those people on lockdown (instead of now, where we are having to give it to the entire country and try despereately to save the businesses we shut down), let us build herd immunity or develop a vaccine, whichever comes first, and then let that much smaller group out of lockdown. Then we still have them safe and protected, no destruction of the economy, no multi-million job losses and unemployment payouts.

But no, why do a sensible thing like that when the government can indulge in its power-tripping fantasies of locking the entire citizenry down when they please.

 

[Moonglow]

Dead people don't complain so stop sweating it.

They do make noises from bodily decintigration.

 

[Moonglow]

We should never have locked everyone down in the first place.

The sensible, and far cheaper and less economically damaging thing to do would have been to isolate/lock-down the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions that are susceptible to the virus.

Let everyone else continue to work, spend our tax money to support just those people on lockdown (instead of now, where we are having to give it to the entire country and try despereately to save the businesses we shut down), let us build herd immunity or develop a vaccine, whichever comes first, and then let that much smaller group out of lockdown. Then we still have them safe and protected, no destruction of the economy, no multi-million job losses and unemployment payouts.

But no, why do a sensible thing like that when the government can indulge in its power-tripping fantasies of locking the entire citizenry down when they please.

What do you do for a living?

 

[Integrityrespec]

Since the public and businesses, not the Governors or President, will have the say over when to reduce social distancing and reopen the economy, are you personally ready? Is May 1st, long enough, especially if they come out with nationwide saliva testing?

Now, I know there will be staggered openings, depending on the curve and which states have the sickest, but some are saying as long as 2022 now. I don't think I could handle that long voluntarily, nor could the economy.

At some point the people of the country are going to have to go back to work, probably pay higher taxes to pay for the freebees and struggle to get through the aftermath of the Covid 19 mess. How long do we wait? When is the government going to get us moving forward?

 

[Ringo Stalin]

To open what? A bottle of champagne? Open fire?

 

[grip]

At some point the people of the country are going to have to go back to work, probably pay higher taxes to pay for the freebees and struggle to get through the aftermath of the Covid 19 mess. How long do we wait? When is the government going to get us moving forward?

I think businesses will be the first ones who really restart the economy and relax social distancing. I'm not sure if they'll listen to local, state or federal authorities on exactly when. Most don't like the shut-in but don't want to quickly repeat it from opening initially too soon.

 

[grip]

To open what? A bottle of champagne? Open fire?

To open your mind.

 

[marke]

As long as Corona still runs rampant, it is too soon to start up in 2 weeks.

As Fauci says, there has to be created a new normal. And you cannot create a new normal and start testing the hell out of this virus if there is no agreement on what this new normal is, there are not enough tests to go around and business have not created protocols to protect their employees and the country from a new outbreak.

In one Smithfield pork factory in Sioux Falls they did not have proper corona measures and now there are more than 640 cases linked to the plant.

There has to become a new normal. I know meat processing takes place one person standing in almost constant touching distance to another, but if the businesses start up on May 1, you have to make sure this does not happen. Put screens between them, have them wear masks at all times and shields, test for fever ever time someone comes into the factory, close the canteen or have breaks take place in small groups sitting far away from one another, etc. etc. etc. etc. Or one sick employee could lead to hundreds of them (and their families).

You cannot organize that in 2 weeks time. In the Netherlands for example the prime minister was on TV yesterday and was asking every business and business sector to start planning for a 1.5 meter economy, where for the next few weeks/months people can work in the most safe conditions.

Planning is the most obvious, but also a corona virus app is being studied/created where in combination with testing. So that if someone who has been in close contact with the phone of a corona patient gets an alert about that.

Opening in 2 weeks time is just foolish. Especially as there were more than 30,000 new infections and almost 2500 deaths, and that is with a lockdown/shelter in place. Just imagine how much in 2 weeks that virus could run rampant again. But that would not be immediately obvious, the crash/explosion of cases would then take about a month or 2 to become glaringly obvious again.

Smithfield foods has shut down. What will be next, milk and eggs? What will happen to people hiding in their homes when food deliveries can no longer be made to them? What are big cities going to do now that they are entering into bankruptcy like New York City has just declared and the US cannot bail all of them out?

 

[Peter King]

Smithfield foods has shut down. What will be next, milk and eggs? What will happen to people hiding in their homes when food deliveries can no longer be made to them? What are big cities going to do now that they are entering into bankruptcy like New York City has just declared and the US cannot bail all of them out?

Yes, it is shutdown now. And I don't know what will be next, but many factories can do a lot of work in a 1.5 meter economy or with proper protection for the workers.

 

[marke]

Yes, it is shutdown now. And I don't know what will be next, but many factories can do a lot of work in a 1.5 meter economy or with proper protection for the workers.

You admit some separation rules must be bent to allow life to go on in multiple miscellaneous business efforts to help people continue to survive during the shutdown?

 

[upsideguy]

I hope they listen to the experts. But my own opinion is that keeping us on "lock down" doesn't work with Americans. Many, many people are ignoring it. I was at Sam's Club today, and only about a third of us were wearing masks. There were adults there, with their kids, nobody wearing a mask. People are still gathering at parks and ball fields, basketball courts, etc. This "lock down" is a joke. Whatever that virus is going to do it is going to do, because many people aren't really paying attention to the experts.

... but it is working, as it has slowed the spread of the virus. The results show that it doesn't have to be perfect to be effective. That said, if those people you cite would be a little more pure to the intent of the lockdown, we could bring this to an end even faster.

This is what needs to happen BEFORE we seriously think about opening any part of our country for business.

1. Transmission of the virus is under control
2. The health-care system equipped to detect, test, isolate and treat every case, and trace every person who came into contact with a positive case.
3. Outbreaks minimized in special settings like health facilities and nursing homes
4. There are measures in workplaces and schools to prevent the spread of the virus
5. The risks of importing more cases from outside the country being managed
6. Local communities are educated, engaged and empowered to adjust to the “new norm”

If we are checking off this list, we will be fine. We ain't there yet. We are likely 30-45 days away.

Smithfield foods has shut down. What will be next, milk and eggs? What will happen to people hiding in their homes when food deliveries can no longer be made to them? What are big cities going to do now that they are entering into bankruptcy like New York City has just declared and the US cannot bail all of them out?

Please provide cite for the bolded area. I find no such reference. If this is not true, then kindly apologize for your reckless posting and up your game.

 

[Peter King]

You admit some separation rules must be bent to allow life to go on in multiple miscellaneous business efforts to help people continue to survive during the shutdown?

You mean am I realistic? Of course I am, but everything has to be done to make sure people are as protected as possible in jobs where 100% protection is possible/1.5 meters distance is not an option.

There is a difference between jobs that can be done in a 1.5 economy and some that are not, but for those jobs you need to do as much as humanly possible to not get huge infection hot spots.

 

[Gondwanaland]

What do you do for a living?

Geological Engineering.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Smithfield foods has shut down. What will be next, milk and eggs? What will happen to people hiding in their homes when food deliveries can no longer be made to them? What are big cities going to do now that they are entering into bankruptcy like New York City has just declared and the US cannot bail all of them out?

I have a feeling when all this is over and done with and we've destroyed our economy thoroughly.... the businesses that do survive, especially factory/warehouse ones, and those that come from entrepreneurs picking up the pieces and buying the properties of dead businesses.... a hell of a lot of new factories (and old ones) and warehouse-reliant companies are going to invest very heavily in improving automation and replacing workers with even more machines than they already have in the last century. The cost is big on investment in it, but in the end they'll remember what happened here, and realize it will more than pay off in the long run the next time something like this hits and governments shut everything down - not hard to social distance when you've only got a couple employees managing an entire warehouse/factory of robots/machines, no need to shut down then.

 

[marke]

I have a feeling when all this is over and done with and we've destroyed our economy thoroughly.... the businesses that do survive, especially factory/warehouse ones, and those that come from entrepreneurs picking up the pieces and buying the properties of dead businesses.... a hell of a lot of new factories (and old ones) and warehouse-reliant companies are going to invest very heavily in improving automation and replacing workers with even more machines than they already have in the last century. The cost is big on investment in it, but in the end they'll remember what happened here, and realize it will more than pay off in the long run the next time something like this hits and governments shut everything down - not hard to social distance when you've only got a couple employees managing an entire warehouse/factory of robots/machines, no need to shut down then.

Entrepreneurship is the key to building businesses from scratch in any country, but countries which do not protect or promote entrepreneurship do not generate new business development very well. Lots of businesses in the US will not bounce back from the shutdown, and if government policies remain hostile toward the rich and free enterprise we may see US economic recovery take a very long time as the rich will not likely be motivated to invest in new businesses to replace those lost in the shutdown.

 

[Moonglow]

Geological Engineering.

So you work under rocks?

 

[Gondwanaland]

So you work under rocks?

No.....?

 

[bradt99]

I have a feeling when all this is over and done with and we've destroyed our economy thoroughly.... the businesses that do survive, especially factory/warehouse ones, and those that come from entrepreneurs picking up the pieces and buying the properties of dead businesses.... a hell of a lot of new factories (and old ones) and warehouse-reliant companies are going to invest very heavily in improving automation and replacing workers with even more machines than they already have in the last century. The cost is big on investment in it, but in the end they'll remember what happened here, and realize it will more than pay off in the long run the next time something like this hits and governments shut everything down - not hard to social distance when you've only got a couple employees managing an entire warehouse/factory of robots/machines, no need to shut down then.

That makes sense, but it still takes humans to build the machines.

 

[BahamaBob]

It will take a while to recover. However, when it is finished this country will be stronger. We are smarter now. We know better than to rely on China or anyone for our essentials. Trump will work hard to get these industries back to the US. That will mean new opportunities and more jobs.

They will come up with a vaccination that will help protect us. I expect we will see that by fall. In addition, to be truthful there is a large portion of this country that has little to fear from this virus. For young people and people under 60 who are in good health, this virus is far less dangerous than the regular flu. Other than the possibility that these people might transmit the virus to someone else there is no reason that they should not be able to go back to a near normal life. Precautions need to be made to protect the vulnerable but shutting down the whole country is not the answer.

There are places where social distancing is all but impossible. Day cares, unless you harness the children you are not going to keep them apart. Bars, try to hit on a girl but keep a 6 foot distance. Other places too. People will have to become more responsible. If you are not feeling well, stay home.

I think the least vulnerable should start getting back to normal. Schools should reopen and sports should start up again. I think all people should be required to wear a mask. It protects other from you more than the other way around. But it will help keep infected people from spreading the virus. We need to keep hand sanitizer and wipes handy in all stores, schools and places where people frequent.

In short, with simple precautions this country can start opening up again.