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Tim Walz abandoned his soldiers when they deployed to Iraq

Napoleon said:
What does Trump have to do with Walz’s cowardice?
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Could you post a copy of his discharge and highlight the word "cowardice." Are all reps so afraid now watching that fat pig and his rummy running mate that Trump already declared is useless on public TV.? Also, while I'm at it why is race the top of the moans and groans by all right-wing media and personnel? The right still hates all nonwhite people and there isn't a greater lost cause with millions of inner racial marriages happening in the Good Ol' USA. 💀
 
I can't help but think there are many in this forum have no idea about military service in the U.S.A.

When someone signs up regardless of their goal whether getting money to go to college or whatever, their contract is signed in stone regardless. They are expected to fulfill their duty to the end of their contract.

It does not matter how far you achieve in promotions, when you refuse to fulfill your duty, you lose that title

Tim Waltz did not fulfill his contract. He did not fulfill the last two years of his contract. Yet he continued to use the level he achieved while in service to get elected for a position in politics.

I can't think anything worse than the group of Minnesota guardsman he led who answered the call to serve in Iraq and he bailed are now coming out and telling how it was is the most damning thing for him.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
I am not attacking per se.
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At least own the BS attacks. He served in the ANG for 24 years. You're crapping on his service.
JMB1911A1 said:
I am just pointing out the fact that Tim Walz is misrepresenting his military service.

As someone who did spend a year in Iraq, I find that offensive.
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Misrepresented how?
 
My wife's kidney (and pretty much, her LIFE) was saved eight times by a Dr. Ronegan at the Long Beach VA Hospital over a period of years.
One day we had to have her admitted yet AGAIN with stones in the kidney and bladder and this time the lithotripsy was done by a new surgeon, who also did a fine job, but Dr. Ronegan was no longer working there as he had retired after thirty years of service.

Should we call Dr. Ronegan a turncoat because he dared to retire right before Karen had another kidney stone crisis?
 
vesper said:
I can't help but think there are many in this forum have no idea about military service in the U.S.A.

When someone signs up regardless of their goal whether getting money to go to college or whatever, their contract is signed in stone regardless. They are expected to fulfill their duty to the end of their contract.

It does not matter how far you achieve in promotions, when you refuse to fulfill your duty, you lose that title

Tim Waltz did not fulfill his contract. He did not fulfill the last two years of his contract. Yet he continued to use the level he achieved while in service to get elected for a position in politics.

I can't think anything worse than the group of Minnesota guardsman he led who answered the call to serve in Iraq and he bailed are now coming out and telling how it was is the most damning thing for him.
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So the 20+ years suddenly don't count? I get the feeling this isn't going to end well, especially coming from anyone who supports a candidate who never served.
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vesper said:
I can't help but think there are many in this forum have no idea about military service in the U.S.A.

When someone signs up regardless of their goal whether getting money to go to college or whatever, their contract is signed in stone regardless. They are expected to fulfill their duty to the end of their contract.

It does not matter how far you achieve in promotions, when you refuse to fulfill your duty, you lose that title

Tim Waltz did not fulfill his contract. He did not fulfill the last two years of his contract. Yet he continued to use the level he achieved while in service to get elected for a position in politics.

I can't think anything worse than the group of Minnesota guardsman he led who answered the call to serve in Iraq and he bailed are now coming out and telling how it was is the most damning thing for him.
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He apparently acted in accordance with Army regs relative to his retirement. I don't believe he did anything wrong.

The perception can be different though, and there is evidence he was aware of the the negative perception his retirement (so far as the timing) might induce. I can attest to that being the mindset of many people, having related how my own decision to ETS when I was scheduled was viewed- rather than extend or reenlist to serve in Korea.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
JD Vance spent more time in a combat zone than Tim Walz.
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JD spent zero days in combat in his role as 'combat correspondent.' Whether JD's post in Iraq was in a 'war zone' isn't relevant to comparing the two. Walz went when he was called to go, spent six months in active duty supporting the war, where he was told to go, doing what he was ordered to do. Same as JD.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Not that it is any of your business, but I reached high year tenure.
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You're right it's none of our business. You retired when it worked best for you, is what you're saying and that's fine. No one should question your decision or the timing, because it's your life, your decision.

So why are you crapping on Walz for retiring when it worked for him? He did his duty - 24 years.
 
vesper said:
I can't help but think there are many in this forum have no idea about military service in the U.S.A.
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Commander Bone Spurs certainly doesn't have any idea. Doesn't stop the MAGAs from supporting him. I guess somehow using bone spurs to avoid serving a day is better than serving honorably for 24 years, then retiring. It's a mystery how that works.
vesper said:
When someone signs up regardless of their goal whether getting money to go to college or whatever, their contract is signed in stone regardless. They are expected to fulfill their duty to the end of their contract.
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Wait - they are signed in stone, and those who sign them are 'expected' to stay to the end? How does that work?
vesper said:
It does not matter how far you achieve in promotions, when you refuse to fulfill your duty, you lose that title

Tim Waltz did not fulfill his contract. He did not fulfill the last two years of his contract. Yet he continued to use the level he achieved while in service to get elected for a position in politics.

I can't think anything worse than the group of Minnesota guardsman he led who answered the call to serve in Iraq and he bailed are now coming out and telling how it was is the most damning thing for him.
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Others who served with him are praising him.

And it's still hard to take seriously the Commander Bone Spurs MAGA contingent crapping on Walz. We know it's not based on any principle.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
SWIFTBOAT thread.
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What kills me most about all this is the shamelessness of the MAGA contingent. JD Vance was a proud anti-Trumper, but that asshole decided being a MAGA ass kisser worked better for whatever plan he had to advance in this life, and so took a wrecking ball to his principles, puckered up, got on his knees and is VP candidate. Part of that is serving for Commander Bone Spurs, and JD has the ****ing gall to attack Walz, who in fact served honorably for 24 years. Who knew being a draft dodger takes more character than serving for 24 years and...checks notes...retiring after the end of that long, honorable service. That's the world we're in now.
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
Once you serve 20 years, a military member can retire any time he/she feels like it.
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Not quite. Can't speak for officers who are not under contract, but enlisted members are under contract.

They have to request a transfer to a "retired" status, since they have to request it it is not automatic and actually the military can say "No, not at this time". (Now it would be rare for the requesting member to be denied.)

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JMB1911A1 said:
It is not the length of service. We are talking about avoiding deployment and leaving your enlisted men without their senior leader when they are heading into combat.
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The billet wasn't vacant. The outfit deployed just fine with a CSM.

WW
 
vesper said:
I can't help but think there are many in this forum have no idea about military service in the U.S.A.
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I agree.

vesper said:
When someone signs up regardless of their goal whether getting money to go to college or whatever, their contract is signed in stone regardless. They are expected to fulfill their duty to the end of their contract.
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You should pay attention to what you wrote above.

Can't speak for officers who are not under obligated service like enlisted, but as an enlisted member this idea "their contract is signed in stone regardless". That is false. An enlisted member who has reached 20 years of service can request retirement at any time and * * if approved * * by the chain of command is allowed to retire and any remaining portion of their enlistment contract is canceled.

Since you can ask and the military can agree, that isn't "written in stone".

How do I know this? Because I retire after 20 with time remaining on my contract. The Navy and I parted on good terms.

WW
 

Tim Walz abandoned his soldiers when they deployed to Iraq​

Tim Walz abandoned NOTHING. In fact the NG tried to retire him because of impaired hearing from being around artillery for over 20 years. He asked the NG to keep him on to the completion of his last 6 year tour and the Guard agreed.

Walz filed with the FEC to run as a candidate for office BEFORE ultimately retiring so he could continue his run for office.

Everything in the above two paragraphs is easily traceable if Vance cared to trace it.

I will not go into the utter unscrupulousness of a former trooper attacking another former trooper regarding his service record nor will I discuss Vance's SERVICE RECORD nor will I delve into Corporal Bone Spurs record.

I will again mention that Vance following Harris around and taking pictures is flat WEIRD and creepy and is suggestive of Vance stalking VP Harris.
 
jnug said:

Tim Walz abandoned his soldiers when they deployed to Iraq​

Tim Walz abandoned NOTHING. In fact the NG tried to retire him because of impaired hearing from being around artillery for over 20 years. He asked the NG to keep him on to the completion of his last 6 year tour and the Guard agreed.

Walz filed with the FEC to run as a candidate for office BEFORE ultimately retiring so he could continue his run for office.

Everything in the above two paragraphs is easily traceable if Vance cared to trace it.
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In addition to retiring to run for Congress, the National Guard said Wals retired before the unit received it's deployment alert.

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RF667799 said:
Strange, coming from someone who just admitted feeling no obligation to sticking to the truth.
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This was a joke?

It sounded like you all were serious.
 
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