Sensibility
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Greed is a psychological problem. It can be prevented on a human basis.
it would be almost physically impossible for all people to get an equal start. the only way to do so would be to clone each and every person from the same donor and then "grow" the fetuses in identical artificial wombs.
I know it chaps the asses of many of the liberal crowd...but the plain and simple truth is that some people are born to be smarter than others. all the opportunity in the world is not going to make a guy with an 82 IQ equal to a guy with a 150 IQ.
This is real life you goofy ****, this isn't Forrest Gump. your kid is stupid and he can't be a shrimp boat captain.
Your right Oscar and thats the reason that the rights incessant whines that anyone that isnt successful is a parasite....some people dont have the means or the opportunity to be successful...period...thats why the 1% and their rhetoric have turned me off
A true equal start which all those idealists dream about would have the competitors born to the same wealth class, with the same looks, with the same health, etc...
In 2005, research from the Sutton Trust1 suggested that social mobility
across generations has declined in the UK in recent decades, although
this may now have bottomed out. This study showed the following.
The extent to which poverty and disadvantages persist in some families
from one generation to the next is heavily influenced by education.
The passing on of disadvantage across generations is stronger in the
US and the UK than in Canada and a number of European countries.
Unlike in the UK, in the US it has not worsened over time.
Children born in 1970 showed less mobility than those born in 1958.
This is reflected in an increased link between social background and
educational results. In particular, in the 1980s an expansion in
staying-on rates after 16 mainly affected better-off children.
By the 1990s, however, post-16 staying-on rates extended to more
disadvantaged families, although higher education expansion still
benefited mainly the middle classes. The consequences for social
mobility were mixed.
:lol::lol::lol:Forrest Gump made a gazillion dollars on Apple stock.
You don't think he might claim this due to political motivation, do you?
I agree ideally everyone would be born to similar wealth but certainly not looks health etc. That would require genetic engineering. Recent research in the UK has found that the poorest children are educationally 8 months behind the not poor by the age of 3 and the children from families with low educational attainment are 9 months behind those of high educational attainment by the same age. Research has also shown that the disadvantage is passed on from one generation to another
http://www.cpag.org.uk/campaigns/education/EducationBriefing120907.pdf
When we do not have social mobility we are not giving people an equal chance. Now while in an ideal society there would not be a dramatic difference in wealth there is today, there is at the starting off point. To create a situation with more equality would only require at the minimum creating some kind of system which allows the children to be exposed to a wider spectrum of ideas and activities than at the present, ideally also enriching the parents. In addition special nutritional help can be offered to pregnant women and to young children. Simple things like that to get the kids on track up to school age would be sufficient to get started. However it also has to be born in mind that if their parents are experiencing extreme stress as the poorest frequently are, that this will also effect the child's development so some kind of community help - which best would involve active participation rather than simply hand out, but which would improve the life of all would help.
The other things you mention - looks...hmmmmm bit superficial I think. Look to the inner person.
Health, yes it would be possible by making sure the pregnant Mum gets good organic fruit and veg and whatnot and the child too, to improve the child's health considerably. We are more and more finding out the relationship between diet in pregnancy and early life and health. That we can take care of.
Other illnesses - well that is part of life and life is a lot more than how long you live or how much you earn - or put it another way, equality of opportunity can only deal with the things which it is possible to change. To suggest we cannot offer the opportunity because of some things which nature presents is a red herring to ignore responsibility.
oh, they have the opportunity. they may not have the ability to take advantage of said opportunity but that isn't my fault. Life isn't fair. sorry, but it just isn't. some people are going to live better than others, that's the way it is, has always been and probably always will be.
For pete's sake, even your own President has admitted that the American dream has become out of reach for thousands of Americans. Get a grip.
I'm just glad that can't bring their tents the that park in NYC anymore. People need to go home and do something productive.
Ok the ability then...the point is not all have the same shot for a variety of reasons....and its absurd to believe that everyone can be successful and those that are not...its because they are all lazy and parasitic...Sure theres a number that are lazy or drug addicted or have a variety of crutchs and dont even attempt...but they are certainly not the majority....and then theres the handicapped and the mentally ill....Society no matter what is going to have a percentage of its people that need help
Putting aside the off topic content which is most parts of your post, you just discredited yourself that everybody should be born to equal wealth. In addition, you further discredited yourself when you said that genetic engineering should be required.
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