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[humbolt]

The cannon came first, which is why the first "guns" were called Hand Cannons. Why must you people always lie? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_cannon

Semantics. I could kill you ten times over with a bow before you could reload your fire tube. The bow and arrow was far deadlier - a real killing machine, which was your point before you lost yourself in your own little world.

 

[Jerry]

Suicide by gun, period. Suicides will still happen, but by gun they go down and overall they go down. Common ****ing sense.

Your example of Swizerland proves otherwise, as military service was the cause of suicide. Also the suicide rate in Japan, where citizens have absolutely no access to firearms at all, proves your argument false yet again. Add onto that the list of sources I posted, followed by the NY Times editorial, followed by the Harvard meta study, followed by Lott's modern works...you're just wrong. Gun control does not reduce suicide.

 

[JunkyardDogma]

Semantics. I could kill you ten times over with a bow before you could reload your fire tube. The bow and arrow was far deadlier - a real killing machine, which was your point before you lost yourself in your own little world.

No, it's not semantics. The cannon came far before the hand cannon. Honesty matters, respect it.

 

[Lutherf]

It's American history, learn it.

Really?

I guess I missed the part of American history where we expelled all the Tories and Native Americans. I guess I also missed that part in the Constitution that defined Americans based on political philosophy.

 

[Jerry]

I am not concerned with crime, just gun deaths.

60% of those gun deaths in America are suicides and gun control does not impact suicide at all.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It's entirely true. If you are not a liberal then you are an American in name only.

I have seen many definitions of American yet none of them include the word lliberal. Perhaps you can enlighten us further by providing a link to such a definition of American.

 

[JunkyardDogma]

Your example of Swizerland proves otherwise, as military service was the cause of suicide. Also the suicide rate in Japan, where citizens have absolutely no access to firearms at all, proves your argument false yet again. Add onto that the list of sources I posted, followed by the NY Times editorial, followed by the Harvard meta study, followed by Lott's modern works...you're just wrong. Gun control does not reduce suicide.

Lying does not help you:

Linking guns to suicide

by Jeannie Wurz, swissinfo.ch

An army-related restriction in access to guns in 2003 led to an “enduring decrease” in Switzerland’s general suicide rate, Bern researchers found in July 2013.

“Change in suicide rates in Switzerland before and after firearm restriction resulting from the 2003 ‘Army XXI’ reform”, published in The American Journal of Psychiatry, looked at suicide rates of 18-43-year-old men in Switzerland before and after the 2003 reforms. The reforms cut the number of soldiers from 400,000 to 200,000 and reduced the age of discharge from 43 to 33.

“We know that the availability of methods plays a major role in suicide, and especially for methods that are used impulsively,” the study’s lead author, Thomas Reisch, told swissinfo.ch. “And that’s particularly so for firearms - you can expect that when the gun is no longer available, there will be a resulting reduction in suicides.”

Because Swiss conscripts are required to keep their weapons at home between training courses and during service on weekends, the reforms led to fewer men with access to weapons and less opportunity to practice using them, said Reisch.

The study found a reduction in the overall suicide rate and the firearm suicide rate in 18- to 43-year-old men after the reform. There were no statistically significant changes in the number of suicides in a comparison group of women aged 18 to 43 or a comparison group of men aged 44-53 over the same period.

 

[JunkyardDogma]

I have seen many definitions of American yet none of them include the word lliberal. Perhaps you can enlighten us further by providing a link to such a definition of American.

Sigh:

Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on the unalienable rights of the individual. The fundamental liberal ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion for all belief systems, and the separation of church and state, right to due process, and equality under the law are widely accepted as a common foundation across the spectrum of liberal thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States

 

[JunkyardDogma]

60% of those gun deaths in America are suicides and gun control does not impact suicide at all.

That is a lie. TY.

 

[Gardener]

Yep, the short bus kind of special at that.

But don't forget how comforting it is to be able to go through life with just this one simple choice to make.

Yay!! I'ms a good guy, and you's a bad!

 

[JunkyardDogma]

Really?

I guess I missed the part of American history where we expelled all the Tories and Native Americans. I guess I also missed that part in the Constitution that defined Americans based on political philosophy.

The Tories fled to Canada, they were conservatives, if they weren't spying on us that is. And I guess you missed all of what this country was founded on, Liberalism.

 

[JunkyardDogma]

But don't forget how comforting it is to be able to go through life with just this one simple choice to make.

Yay!! I'ms a good guy, and you's a bad!

True evil never thinks that it is, or could be. See Trump's Hitler Youths calling for a Holy War, among other things.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Sigh:

Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on the unalienable rights of the individual. The fundamental liberal ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion for all belief systems, and the separation of church and state, right to due process, and equality under the law are widely accepted as a common foundation across the spectrum of liberal thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States

That is nice but neither states that opposition to the 2A is part of liberalism nor that liberalism is a requirement to be an American. Nuts come in cans but that does not mean that all "true" cans contain nuts.

 

[Gardener]

True evil never thinks that it is, or could be. See Trump's Hitler Youths calling for a Holy War, among other things.

My goodness, that certainly settles it. It's not just cowboys and Indians, but "true evil" vs utterly good.

You haven't been playing a lot of roll playing games where you have to pick your alignment, have you? I see you have chosen "lawful good".

 

[JunkyardDogma]

That is nice but neither states that opposition to the 2A is part of liberalism nor that liberalism is a requirement to be an American. Nuts come in cans but that does not mean that all "true" cans contain nuts.

Since that is liberalism, and since that is what founded the nation, only those who are liberals are true Americans. As for the guns that is not liberty or liberalism. That is a deadly object, and we ban those all over the place.

 

[JunkyardDogma]

My goodness, that certainly settles it. It's not just cowboys and Indians, but "true evil" vs utterly good.

You haven't been playing a lot of roll playing games where you have to pick your alignment, have you? I see you have chosen "lawful good".

It's no game. If you think you might be evil, you aren't. If you think you aren't, you probably are.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Since that is liberalism, and since that is what founded the nation, only those who are liberals are true Americans. As for the guns that is not liberty or liberalism. That is a deadly object, and we ban those all over the place.

Those "liberals" also founded this nation through armed rebellion and accepted a constitution including the 2A. Some things you just can't explain with a single word.

 

[humbolt]

No, it's not semantics. The cannon came far before the hand cannon. Honesty matters, respect it.

The fire tube came before the cannon. In fact, all kinds of variants employed mixtures of salt peter and charcoal for explosive devices of all manner and were employed for many hundreds of years before even the fire tube. They were largely novelties used for both entertainment and employed in combat primarily to instill fear and perhaps start a fire. Hardly killing machines. Maybe you should read up on these things before you accuse others of dishonesty. Your knowledge of the subject isn't inspiring - not that mine is, but it exceeds yours.

 

[Gardener]

It's no game. If you think you might be evil, you aren't. If you think you aren't, you probably are.

My goodness, this is so profound.

So, just how evil are you, anyway?

 

[JunkyardDogma]

Those "liberals" also founded this nation through armed rebellion and accepted a constitution including the 2A. Some things you just can't explain with a single word.

They didn't accept it, they wrote the ****ing thing and two years later the Bill of Rights followed, which does allow you to own guns but now that is no longer necessary, nor is it a good thing, obviously. We don't live 230 years ago and changes are needed, including your beloved 2A.

 

[JunkyardDogma]

My goodness, this is so profound.

So, just how evil are you, anyway?

I'm not, usually. How evil are you?

 

[JunkyardDogma]

The fire tube came before the cannon. In fact, all kinds of variants employed mixtures of salt peter and charcoal for explosive devices of all manner and were employed for many hundreds of years before even the fire tube. They were largely novelties used for both entertainment and employed in combat primarily to instill fear and perhaps start a fire. Hardly killing machines. Maybe you should read up on these things before you accuse others of dishonesty. Your knowledge of the subject isn't inspiring - not that mine is, but it exceeds yours.

Look up the history of the cannon, please. Then the history of the Hand Cannon, which came later.

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh, but it does, suicides by gun, which you refuse to acknowledge even when told where to find evidence of such a thing and that is because you love your deadly toys, and reject common sense.

what sort of law and punishment will stop a suicide? A death sentence? burning at the stake? 24/7 solitary LWOP?

 

[TurtleDude]

They didn't accept it, they wrote the ****ing thing and two years later the Bill of Rights followed, which does allow you to own guns but now that is no longer necessary, nor is it a good thing, obviously. We don't live 230 years ago and changes are needed, including your beloved 2A.

so lead the Jihad to abolish the second and Ninth and Tenth amendments

then actually get another amendment passed saying that the federal government actually has the power to ban firearms.

and then pack a lunch cuz its gonna be a long day getting all that done

 

[JunkyardDogma]

what sort of law and punishment will stop a suicide? A death sentence? burning at the stake? 24/7 solitary LWOP?

Suicide by gun is very hard, when no one has a gun. Got it?