This Obamacare story is just plain sad...

[Grim17]

I saw this on CNN.

This is a very sad situation, but what is also sad, is the way some here are attacking... her.

I have to admit, I sure didn't expect to see that either.... I guess that's the price that must be paid by anyone who says or does anything that doesn't make Obama and the ACA look wonderful... Doesn't matter who it is, the left will savage them.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Point taken. But how does that work. My (new, not yet in hand) policy has a low out of pocket but the most any single event can cost me is $20 I think. So the deductible is actually meaningless. Are you saying that you must pay 100% of the first $6K? Are you sure? Because that would kind of suck.

Read it carefully. Listed events cost a $20 co-pay, but I doubt that a one week hospital stay for surgery is listed as a $20 item.

 

[sangha]

Indeed, that is if she has unpaid emergency medical care bills then others must pay. The PPACA uninsured tax is not if you have unpaid emergency medical bills, it is assured to occur (and rise) every year if you have income tax withheld (and would be due a refund) and have no "approved" medical care insurance.

Like I said the first time "she's running the risk" of foisting her bills on people like me.

I don't mind people gambling. I like to gamble myself from time to time.

But I object when they gamble with *my* money

 

[ttwtt78640]

So there's an upper limit too, there's still a lot in between otherwise there wouldn't be bronze, silver, and gold, or whatever the levels offered are. I think I've seen it represented this way.

The subsidy is based on the silver (middle level) plan, as the insurance levels increase the premiums rise and the deductible falls.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Like I said the first time "she's running the risk" of foisting her bills on people like me.

I don't mind people gambling. I like to gamble myself from time to time.

But I object when they gamble with *my* money

A very fiscally conservative view.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Like I said the first time "she's running the risk" of foisting her bills on people like me.

I don't mind people gambling. I like to gamble myself from time to time.

But I object when they gamble with *my* money

LOL. All of the subsidized folks are gambling with your money under PPACA, the only sure winners are the insurance companies.

 

[sangha]

LOL. All of the subsidized folks are gambling with your money under PPACA, the only sure winners are the insurance companies.

But their gambling with their money too. Insurance is about spreading the risk. Not getting insurance is about foisting the risk onto a group you're not a member of.

She's getting the benefit (sharing the risk) while not sharing in the costs (her premium)

 

[Grim17]

She's getting the benefit (sharing the risk) while not sharing in the costs (her premium)

If you are talking about the woman who is the topic of this thread, she can't afford it. What more is their to say?

 

[mak2]

It is what they do.

I saw this on CNN.

This is a very sad situation, but what is also sad, is the way some here are attacking... her.

 

[sangha]

If you are talking about the woman who is the topic of this thread, she can't afford it. What more is their to say?

With her income, she can afford it. She's just calculated that she'd keep more money if she foists the risk onto others.

So tell me again why I should sympathize with her?

 

[ttwtt78640]

But their gambling with their money too. Insurance is about spreading the risk. Not getting insurance is about foisting the risk onto a group you're not a member of.

She's getting the benefit (sharing the risk) while not sharing in the costs (her premium)

So is everyone on Medicaid. If you are required to pay more to get a PPACA exchange policy than you can afford then you will opt out, just as she did - do you really feel good about taking some of her tax refund to punish her for not being able to afford insurance? My monthly medical care insurance premiums would exceed my monthly rent - I know that I will need a roof over my head, but seriously doubt that I will need that much medical care.

 

[CalGun]

If you aren't careful your leftist friend won't get her vote; you have to do better to buy those votes you all want so badly!

With her income, she can afford it. She's just calculated that she'd keep more money if she foists the risk onto others.

So tell me again why I should sympathize with her?

 

[Fisher]

She makes only $9500 and doesn't get a subsidy? That's not very fair, uh, generous. How poor must you be to qualify?

She makes a little less than $50K per year. The state of Washington's exchange has been feeding incorrect information to the ACA site. It specifically has been sending people's monthly incomes in as their annual income for purpose of getting the quote. Rude Awakening for Federal Way Woman Who Got Shout-Out From President

 

[American]

She has gone 15 years without insurance. Why you guys just now giving a ****?

Why are you? Did you pay for her **** before Obamacare? No, so you got no point.

 

[sangha]

So is everyone on Medicaid. If you are required to pay more to get a PPACA exchange policy than you can afford then you will opt out, just as she did - do you really feel good about taking some of her tax refund to punish her for not being able to afford insurance? My monthly medical care insurance premiums would exceed my monthly rent - I know that I will need a roof over my head, but seriously doubt that I will need that much medical care.

This woman is not on Medicaid, nor is she poor. She can afford to pay for health insurance. She has chosen not to do so.

 

[Grim17]

With her income, she can afford it. She's just calculated that she'd keep more money if she foists the risk onto others.

So tell me again why I should sympathize with her?

Based on her income on paper, I would think she could afford it also, but we don't know what her expenses are. If she says she can't afford it, I have no reason to doubt her.

I only sympathise with her because she was told a price for a certain plan, based on that she was on cloud 9 and was thrust into the spotlight by the president, only to have the rug pulled out from under her. There are 10's of millions of people who haven't won the powerball jackpot and I don't feel sorry for them... But if someone who really needed the money was told by lottery officials that they won 10 million dollars, their name was announced on TV and then a few days later were told by lottery officials that they hadn't won any money at all, I would feel bad for that person.

You know what I mean?

 

[ttwtt78640]

This woman is not on Medicaid, nor is she poor. She can afford to pay for health insurance. She has chosen not to do so.

Care to share the source for that bold assertion with us?

 

[mak2]

You do realize without insurance when she doesnt pay, we do? You got no point. Why is it all the sudden you guys dont care about them people getting free healthcare?

Why are you? Did you pay for her **** before Obamacare? No, so you got no point.

 

[sangha]

Based on her income on paper, I would think she could afford it also, but we don't know what her expenses are. If she says she can't afford it, I have no reason to doubt her.

:roll:

I only sympathise with her because she was told a price for a certain plan, based on that she was on cloud 9 and was thrust into the spotlight by the president, only to have the rug pulled out from under her. There are 10's of millions of people who haven't won the powerball jackpot and I don't feel sorry for them... But if someone who really needed the money was told by lottery officials that they won 10 million dollars, their name was announced on TV and then a few days later were told by lottery officials that they hadn't won any money at all, I would feel bad for that person.

You know what I mean?

No, I don't. She makes enough money to pay for health insurance.

 

[sangha]

Care to share the source for that bold assertion with us?

She makes almost $50k/yr and has one child. She can afford the Bronze plan

 

[American]

You do realize without insurance when she doesnt pay, we do? You got no point. Why is it all the sudden you guys dont care about them people getting free healthcare?

No, you got no point. You talk about caring....when did you care? Most likely you support Obamacare which is a tax. And what's more, she still doesn't have ****.

 

[Summerwind]

She makes a little less than $50K per year. The state of Washington's exchange has been feeding incorrect information to the ACA site. It specifically has been sending people's monthly incomes in as their annual income for purpose of getting the quote. Rude Awakening for Federal Way Woman Who Got Shout-Out From President

She makes only $9500 and doesn't get a subsidy? That's not very fair, uh, generous. How poor must you be to qualify?

If she's making $9500 a month, she's making a hell of alot more than "a little less than 50K". I know you guys have difficulty with advanced algebra, but basic math?

 

[mak2]

I was talking about the last fifteen years and them just now caring if she has insurance or not. Yes you are correct she can afford an should have some sort of insurncae.

She makes almost $50k/yr and has one child. She can afford the Bronze plan

 

[Fisher]

If she's making $9500 a month, she's making a hell of alot more than "a little less than 50K". I know you guys have difficulty with advanced algebra, but basic math?

Do you have problems clicking links or with reading comprehension? The "little less than" $50K per year was what was stated in the article I provided. Where $9500 a month or a year appeared from is not my doing.

 

[Summerwind]

Do you have problems clicking links or with reading comprehension? The "little less than" $50K per year was what was stated in the article I provided. Where $9500 a month or a year appeared from is not my doing.

So you are responding to a quote that have a glaring inaccuracy without comment on that inaccuracy? Interesting, and yet your claims of attention and knowledge... hmmm.