This morning Trump declared defacto martial law because of one broken windshield, do you support it?

[upsideguy]

"his plan"???

Seriously?

You think Trump WANTS these riots? You think Trump WANTS the city to burn?

SMH

Yes.. He actually does want these riots, which is why he has taken steps to in flame the situation rather than what most leaders would do, which would be de-escalate.

Trump doesn't care if the city burns; nor does he care if people die. He is a sociopath. What he wants the confrontation; the show. He wants to push the limits of what is acceptable, to see how far he can go. Everytime he pushes the perimeter of acceptability he acquires power and suppresses the will of those that would stop him. He knows that thus far, he is getting very little push back, so he has permission to push harder.

Trump is an autocrat. He will take advantage of any situation that allows him to show, further and flex his power as the combination thereof makes him more powerful.

Can Trump be stopped at this point? Its not clear, but one thing is clear is that no one inside the Republican party is willing to put country over the will of Trump.

 

[Absentglare]

I kind of hate to agree with Mycroft, but, he's right.

If folks holler Wolf at everything, when the Wolf shows up, the warning will mean nothing.

Did you not read Trump’s memo?

Trump dictates that his administration can deploy the military:
- anywhere on US soil
- in any quantity
- from any branch
- for any duration of time
- to enforce civilian laws

 

[jaypatriot]

This morning, Trump declared defacto martial law.

Department of Defense Security for the Protection of Department of Homeland Security Functions

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

www.whitehouse.gov

He now is following through on what he said before the election, that he would turn the military against his political opponents. Do you support it, yes or no?

NO, I do not support law imposed on L.A.
That's ridiculous. The military is there now to prevent idiot thugs and gangbangers from inflaming the situation any further.

Quote from Inigo Montoya in "The Princess Bride".
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

What do you know about martial law?
Martial law, by contrast, is a rare and extreme measure in which civilian government is temporarily suspended, and military takes over key functions such as law enforcement, courts, and public administration.

 

[jaypatriot]

Yes.. He actually does want these riots, which is why he has taken steps to in flame the situation rather than what most leaders would do, which would be de-escalate.

Trump doesn't care if the city burns; nor does he care if people die. He is a sociopath. What he wants the confrontation; the show. He wants to push the limits of what is acceptable, to see how far he can go. Everytime he pushes the perimeter of acceptability he acquires power and suppresses the will of those that would stop him. He knows that thus far, he is getting very little push back, so he has permission to push harder.

Trump is an autocrat. He will take advantage of any situation that allows him to show, further and flex his power as the combination thereof makes him more powerful.

Can Trump be stopped at this point? Its not clear, but one thing is clear is that no one inside the Republican party is willing to put country over the will of Trump.

I get the sense that you really don't care for the duly elected president of the United States.
Sorry the entire 2024 electoral process didn't turn out to your liking. Really, no I'm not sorry.

 

[Hamish Howl]

NO, I do not support law imposed on L.A.
That's ridiculous. The military is there now to prevent idiot thugs and gangbangers from inflaming the situation any further.

Quote from Inigo Montoya in "The Princess Bride".
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

What do you know about martial law?
Martial law, by contrast, is a rare and extreme measure in which civilian government is temporarily suspended, and military takes over key functions such as law enforcement, courts, and public administration.

If you are going to arrest a governor and other state politicians (per Homan) for disagreeing with policy, then the distinction is kinda crap, know what I mean?

 

[jaypatriot]

If you are going to arrest a governor and other state politicians (per Homan) for disagreeing with policy, then the distinction is kinda crap, know what I mean?

Trump would never agree to arresting Newsom or Bass.
He may be crazy, but he's not stupid.
Too risky politically.

 

[Mycroft]

Yes.. He actually does want these riots, which is why he has taken steps to in flame the situation rather than what most leaders would do, which would be de-escalate.

Trump doesn't care if the city burns; nor does he care if people die. He is a sociopath. What he wants the confrontation; the show. He wants to push the limits of what is acceptable, to see how far he can go. Everytime he pushes the perimeter of acceptability he acquires power and suppresses the will of those that would stop him. He knows that thus far, he is getting very little push back, so he has permission to push harder.

Trump is an autocrat. He will take advantage of any situation that allows him to show, further and flex his power as the combination thereof makes him more powerful.

Can Trump be stopped at this point? Its not clear, but one thing is clear is that no one inside the Republican party is willing to put country over the will of Trump.

Utter nonsense.

Bye.

 

[cpwill]

Did you not read Trump’s memo?

I did. It does not impose martial law.

Trump dictates that his administration can deploy the military:
- anywhere on US soil
- in any quantity
- from any branch
- for any duration of time

They can already do this. I traveled all over the US in the Marine Corps. What matters is the activity you are going there to do.

- to enforce civilian laws

1. That is not what it said. Instead it said they would be protecting those who were, as well as federal property. The relevant section:

I hereby call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard under 10 U.S.C. 12406 to temporarily protect ICE and other United States Government personnel who are performing Federal functions, including the enforcement of Federal law, and to protect Federal property, at locations where protests against these functions are occurring or are likely to occur based on current threat assessments and planned operations. ​

2. And what ypu describe is also not martial law.

Martial law–also called martial rule–is a type of jurisdiction in which military authority temporarily replaces civil authority. As stated in the 1998 case of Mudd v. Caldera , martial law authorizes the military to exercise the responsibilities of branches who are unable to function, such as the legislature, executive branch , or the courts.

In the United States, martial law can be declared on a national level by the President or Congress , or within the borders of a particular state by that state’s governor. ... martial law has been declared nine times since World War II, most often in response to resistance of desegregation decrees during the Civil Rights era.​

 

[OpportunityCost]

Again, your political opinion is not a justification to use the military. We use the political process.

You’re arguing to break the terms of civility.

Where does using Molotov cocktails fit in to your "civility"?

I dont think you have been paying attention to what has been going on and buying into "mostly peaceful".

 

[jaypatriot]

If you are going to arrest a governor and other state politicians (per Homan) for disagreeing with policy, then the distinction is kinda crap, know what I mean?

I know what you mean. And you can be wrong as well as right. Throwing out the term "martial law" to describe what Trump is doing is hyperbolic not called for right now.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I know what you mean. And you can be wrong as well as right. Throwing out the term "martial law" to describe what Trump is doing is hyperbolic not called for right now.

Threatening to arrest a governor and public officials and sending the military into state level disorder without being asked or even notifying the governor is close enough.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Trump illegally ordered active-duty US military to deploy against American civilians.

Not illegally. If the laws of the US cannot be executed, the President can deploy the NG.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Every person who speeds is a criminal by your definition. They think they are entitled to speed because they usually get away with it. We are a country with mostly criminals on our highways. In fact, if you were to really look at everything that most Americans do every day they would qualify as criminals on a daily basis. So all Americans think they are entitled to break the law and get always with it. They just want the other guy to be held responsible for the very things that they do. With such a lawless society no wonder nothing is done about illegal aliens except to use them for cheap labor and political debate fodder. Maybe if we cracked down on every business that criminally hires them they wouldn’t see any advantage to coming here illegally. But no politician ever points the finger at this problem because it doesn’t inflame the emotions of voters they want curry support from. Even if mass deportation would succeed who is going to do the same work for the same pay as all the illegals that our country has been taking advantage of for so long? All of this is just political theater that logistically never had a realistic chance of success and even if it somehow did the economic consequences would not be the positive thing that the gung ho deportation supporters think it would.

Immigration law is not synonymous with speeding. Attempting to downplay it shows how weak the Democrats' argument is.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Oh stop complaining. You conceded and are mad. Dont care. If you could have countered my post, you would have. Instead, you conceded and are mad that I called you out on it.

Every event in human history has something in common with another event that is terrible. False analogies are a fallacy, I do not agree to your conclusions, just the loose facts that are similarities. Calling your weak posts fallacies is countering your bad reasoning.

No surprise, you reverted back to your passive aggressive nonsense. FYI try addressing the post, not the poster.

 

[cpwill]

Yes.. He actually does want these riots, which is why he has taken steps to in flame the situation rather than what most leaders would do, which would be de-escalate.

Trump doesn't care if the city burns; nor does he care if people die. He is a sociopath. What he wants the confrontation; the show. He wants to push the limits of what is acceptable, to see how far he can go. Everytime he pushes the perimeter of acceptability he acquires power and suppresses the will of those that would stop him. He knows that thus far, he is getting very little push back, so he has permission to push harder.

Quite plausibly.

Trump is an autocrat. He will take advantage of any situation that allows him to show, further and flex his power as the combination thereof makes him more powerful.

And the inevitability of such men is why our Constitution was designed to deny any man overwhelming power; first, by only allowing the Federal government to have power over a small number of things, second, by balancing each branch of the federal government against each other, and third, by making Congress supreme within that order.

Instead we have spent the last couple of decades increasingly concentrating power at the federal level, and within the Executive Branch.... and may now be headed for a "Find Out" phase as a result. We've been hacking at the base of the limb holding us up, because we wanted to tell ourselves our place in the sky was natural.

one thing is clear is that no one inside the Republican party is willing to put country over the will of Trump.

That's not entirely true. I'm looking forward to seeing if Gov Kemp runs for office in 2028.

But it is mostly true .

 

[jaypatriot]

Threatening to arrest a governor and public officials and sending the military into state level disorder without being asked or even notifying the governor is close enough.

Given Newsom's weak and tepid response to quelling the riots, what good is asking Newsom to help stop rioting, looting, and burning of cars?
Newsom seems to believe having the NG and Marines in L.A. is somehow going to enhance what he considers is his moral position.
Which law is it that requires Trump to notify a governor to send in the National Guard to stop the rioting?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Given Newsom's weak and tepid response to quelling the riots, what good is asking Newsom to help stop rioting, looting, and burning of cars?
Newsom seems to believe having the NG and Marines in L.A. is somehow going to enhance what he considers is his moral position.
Which law is it that requires Trump to notify a governor to send in the National Guard to stop the rioting?

Trump isn't required to ask him. He is, however, required by law to notify him prior to doing it. Trump didn't do that.

 

[Absentglare]

NO, I do not support law imposed on L.A.
That's ridiculous. The military is there now to prevent idiot thugs and gangbangers from inflaming the situation any further.

Quote from Inigo Montoya in "The Princess Bride".
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

What do you know about martial law?
Martial law, by contrast, is a rare and extreme measure in which civilian government is temporarily suspended, and military takes over key functions such as law enforcement, courts, and public administration.

Yes, your description says the military takes over law enforcement. To keep civilians in line.

 

[jaypatriot]

Trump isn't required to ask him. He is, however, required by law to notify him prior to doing it. Trump didn't do that.

Then Trump should be sued by Newsom as part of Newsom's strategy to make himself look relevant in his attempt to appear as the only political leader in a position to oppose Trump.
It's all political theater.

 

[Absentglare]

I did. It does not impose martial law.


They can already do this. I traveled all over the US in the Marine Corps. What matters is the activity you are going there to do.



1. That is not what it said. Instead it said they would be protecting those who were, as well as federal property. The relevant section:

I hereby call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard under 10 U.S.C. 12406 to temporarily protect ICE and other United States Government personnel who are performing Federal functions, including the enforcement of Federal law, and to protect Federal property, at locations where protests against these functions are occurring or are likely to occur based on current threat assessments and planned operations. ​

2. And what ypu describe is also not martial law.

Martial law–also called martial rule–is a type of jurisdiction in which military authority temporarily replaces civil authority. As stated in the 1998 case of Mudd v. Caldera , martial law authorizes the military to exercise the responsibilities of branches who are unable to function, such as the legislature, executive branch , or the courts. ​

​

In the United States, martial law can be declared on a national level by the President or Congress , or within the borders of a particular state by that state’s governor. ... martial law has been declared nine times since World War II, most often in response to resistance of desegregation decrees during the Civil Rights era.​

I get it, he didn’t use the phrase “martial law” so it’s not martial law. Just like how SCOTUS decided that you can accept bribes as long as you don’t call them bribes.

Trump violates Posse Comitatus and you support it. It’s pretty sick but it is what it is.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Then Trump should be sued by Newsom as part of Newsom's strategy to make himself look relevant in his attempt to appear as the only political leader in a position to oppose Trump.
It's all political theater.

I am sure something of that order is in the works.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I get it, he didn’t use the phrase “martial law” so it’s not martial law. Just like how SCOTUS decided that you can accept bribes as long as you don’t call them bribes.

Trump violates Posse Comitatus and you support it. It’s pretty sick but it is what it is.

The whole point of fascism is that Dear Leader gets to decide what the law is.

 

[jaypatriot]

Yes, your description says the military takes over law enforcement. To keep civilians in line.

The military cannot "take over" local law enforcement unless such local enforcement fails to protect the lives of ICE officers doing their legal jobs of finding and arresting illegal aliens.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The military cannot "take over" local law enforcement unless such local enforcement fails to protect the lives of ICE officers doing their legal jobs of finding and arresting illegal aliens.

The military cannot take over even then.

You need either martial law or congressional approval.

 

[Absentglare]

Where does using Molotov cocktails fit in to your "civility"?

I dont think you have been paying attention to what has been going on and buying into "mostly peaceful".

He’s not sending in the military to manage a molotov cocktail, he’s sending them in to violate our constitutional right to protest.