This morning, I realized that everything is about to change.

[jakiejakester]

why do you care what happens to him after he left office?

You're saying that Trump is above the law? I care because I think of Trump as a criminal who has been getting away with crimes since he was elected but due to DOJ policy they're not allow to pursue him nor is any other law enforcement agency. Ironically, now that the shackles are off he can be shackled!

Bottom line is if he did nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about...BUT...if he committed crimes he should be tried like anyone else.

Are you OK with Trump not being tried for crimes he might have committed as President? Would you feel the same if it were Biden or any other Democrat?

 

[jakiejakester]

The President isn't responsible for your personal choice options of not wearing a mask, nor does he have the authority to enforce it.

When Biden takes office on Wednesday he will sign an executive order mandating mask wearing in all federal buildings. Why didn't Trump do that? Did you not know this? Biden has the authority to enforce it in federal buildings. Civics 101 my friend

 

[What if...?]

lol.....

Boy, their reality is a weird place, isn't it?

 

[jakiejakester]

Noticed you make wild claims that will never win a debate nor a court case, facts always win and you offer none

Facts you say? I agree! Then surely you must agree that the FACTS prove that Biden won the election and Trump lost "BIGGLY"?

 

[What if...?]

Let the fun begin

Biden confronted with migrant caravan challenge as he takes office, GOP blames campaign rhetoric

Among the litany of challenges that will confront President-elect Joe Biden when he assumes office Wednesday -- including the coronavirus pandemic, emboldened enemies like Iran, and confirming critical nominees amid a Trump impeachment trial -- will be handling a large migrant caravan currently...

www.foxnews.com

Noticed you make wild claims that will never win a debate nor a court case, facts always win and you offer none

False flag operation set up in case trump lost. All members of the caravan are paid crisis actors. Craft services will be doing meals.

 

[jakiejakester]

You chose a leader with no interest in leading. And he didn't! You chose a con man who escalated his illusions until it culminated in lying in full view of America...inciting his foolish followers to take on a fight that "they could not win." Inciting them with an unquestionable lie that Pence could change the results of the electoral certification.

That lie...and the fools that swallowed it...are all undeniable.

Think about it. Trump convinced his culties that they could defeat the fighting force of the US Military! Trump is probably the greatest grifter in American history. He can proudly claim that on his headstone with something like "The Art of the Grift - Greatest Ever - Donald J. Trump."

 

[Nickyjo]

And we just finished with a president who ran a phony University, Foundation, who questioned the validity of elections in 2012, 2016, and 2020, who bragged about sexual assault, lied about Syrian refugees, wouldn't reveal his taxes as others had, and insulted legal immigrants, illegal immigrants and black people, and provoked people who took over the Capitol.
Seems like we regained our collective mind, Conservative.

 

[Nickyjo]

Well, if it's any consolation, I call it the Wuhu Flu, just as so many Chinese did before they were threatened and had their e-mails erased. Lol!! I also call it the Chinese flu. There. I'll say it again: CHINESE FLU. Lol!! Thanks!!

Question: call it the Chinese flu if you wish, we reportedly called it the Spanish flu because we didn't want to insult France, but do you think Trump would have called it the Russian flu if it had originated there? He probably would have said the flu came from "somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds."

 

[Lursa]

You're saying that Trump is above the law? I care because I think of Trump as a criminal who has been getting away with crimes since he was elected but due to DOJ policy they're not allow to pursue him nor is any other law enforcement agency. Ironically, now that the shackles are off he can be shackled!

Bottom line is if he did nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about...BUT...if he committed crimes he should be tried like anyone else.

Are you OK with Trump not being tried for crimes he might have committed as President? Would you feel the same if it were Biden or any other Democrat?

He has continually refused to answer this, which he alluded to in an early post: Charging and convicting criminals is 'hate-filled?' Is that your opinion?

I was mostly referring to the mob that invaded the Capitol but it certainly applies to The Donald as well.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Then you really have no justification or passion for your vote, I can tell you exactly why I voted for Trump but you cannot seem to post what a Biden Administration means to you and your family.

No, it just means it makes no sense to go into a detailed response I have already provided. I have provided the issues and reasons why I chose Biden and went into detail as on some of those issues. Repeating yourself only makes it evident you don't have a counter argument, but are left with only argumentum ad nauseam as a retort.

I know what the Trump administration did for me and my family. Guess that is too much to ask from a Biden supporter

Even in the same post your repeat yourself.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You're assessment is spot on! Often when one engages in a debate or discussion it's on a wide variety of subjects and reasons. Our friend is a one issue always poster - money and the retorts are always the same too. Your patience is monumental and impressive. At the end of the day when painted into a corner people usually reply with what they believe in, no matter how limited unless their knowledge base is deeper then we're able to have a more spirited debate.

The thing is there are many valid counter arguments one can make on some of the issues we've covered in this thread, but as it relates to Conservative, he just doesn't make strong ones and chooses to resort to deflections and ankle biting. I tend not to look at issues from a purely ideological perspective because when your goal is finding solutions to issues, it's best to approach them without the filter of ideology. For example: if there are people who lack food, the question of whether or not they deserve to be fed wouldn't factor into solving their plight. I'd rather focus on solving the immediate need while also assessing the causes which create so we can resolve the problem holistically.

 

[Conservative]

I feel really sorry for people like you, that are totally uneducated on basic civics and always blaming someone else for your poor personal choices or those of others. That missed out on the federal (and other govt) resources, policies, responsibilities, clauses, articles, funds, access to expertise, etc etc etc that are at their disposal.

You chose a leader with no interest in leading. And he didnt! You chose a con man who escalated his illusions until it culminated in lying in full view of America...inciting his foolish followers to take on a fight that "they could not win." Inciting them with an unquestionable lie that Pence could change the results of the electoral certification.

That lie...and the fools that swallowed it...are all undeniable.

then educate me because obviously you are much more experienced on that subject than me. I chose a leader that generated the best economic results in Modern history due to private sector economic policies. I had two parents that taught me what radicals seem to want the President to be. You bought the rhetoric and offer nothing but spewed hatred of a man who hasn't done anything to harm you. Stop blaming someone else for poor personal choices, look in the mirror. You seem to forget all the rioting all over the country including attacks at the SC building for Kavanaugh. Your biased partisan rhetoric is on full display here

Changing the results? how about explaining why 65 million Americans couldn't go to the polls with early voting, valid absentee ballot procedures and election day? Explain why the state of California that has been losing citizens yearly had 4 million more votes this year than in 2016? you can't therefore you have no credibility

 

[Conservative]

No, it just means it makes no sense to go into a detailed response I have already provided. I have provided the issues and reasons why I chose Biden and went into detail as on some of those issues. Repeating yourself only makes it evident you don't have a counter argument, but are left with only argumentum ad nauseam as a retort.


Even in the same post your repeat yourself.

Right, you chose Biden because of his stellar record after 47 years in public service, such a record that you cannot even post a successful initiative.

 

[GDViking]

I feel really sorry for people like you, that are totally uneducated on basic civics and always blaming someone else for your poor personal choices or those of others. That missed out on the federal (and other govt) resources, policies, responsibilities, clauses, articles, funds, access to expertise, etc etc etc that are at their disposal.

You chose a leader with no interest in leading. And he didnt! You chose a con man who escalated his illusions until it culminated in lying in full view of America...inciting his foolish followers to take on a fight that "they could not win." Inciting them with an unquestionable lie that Pence could change the results of the electoral certification.

That lie...and the fools that swallowed it...are all undeniable.

And cost lives and quite possibly could have cost far more...

 

[HangLow]

Right, you chose Biden because of his stellar record after 47 years in public service,
such a record that you cannot even post a successful initiative.

And you chose Trump???
WHY???

​

 

[Lursa]

then educate me because obviously you are much more experienced on that subject than me. I chose a leader that generated the best economic results in Modern history due to private sector economic policies.

Proof? That's a joke unless you take into consideration what he inherited from Obama. He didnt take over in a vacuum.

I had two parents that taught me what radicals seem to want the President to be.

Mine were conservative Sunday school teachers who taught me not to trust liars and cheaters and incompetents without question, and not based blindly on party or belief.

You bought the rhetoric and offer nothing but spewed hatred of a man who hasn't done anything to harm you.

Demonstrably wrong for hundreds of thousands of unnecessarily dead people. Your refusal to understand or acknowledge that doesnt affect its truth. I see it necessary to the safe progression of democracy in our country to call out his gross negligence and depraved indifference and complete incompetence as a leader so that we never see it happen again. That is purpose, not hate. And with that goal in mind, holding him accountable is wholly justified.

Stop blaming someone else for poor personal choices, look in the mirror. You seem to forget all the rioting all over the country including attacks at the SC building for Kavanaugh. Your biased partisan rhetoric is on full display here

I blame a shitty, useless con man/demagogue and I can lay ALL those things at his door.

Changing the results? how about explaining why 65 million Americans couldn't go to the polls with early voting, valid absentee ballot procedures and election day? Explain why the state of California that has been losing citizens yearly had 4 million more votes this year than in 2016? you can't therefore you have no credibility

I dont even understand your 2nd sentence. Why couldnt they? But the rest is pure garbage that you are willing to swallow because you will never admit you were wrong about the POS in the WH. It was all proven false in any substantial way.

~60 FAILED legal challenges and The Donald-appointed DHS head of cyber security and AG Barr claim no widespread evidence of fraud? And why did so many Republican governors, secretaries of state, and election officials agree? And why so many federal judges appointed by The Donald, including 3 on SCOTUS, not buy into it either? And again...why no Senate hearings or investigations? (Actually there were some but all "legally failed.")​

Who would you trust to investigate and adjudicate the 2020 election? It seems that EVERYBODY else is wrong and only your demigod is right...good lord, what does that tell you? Only you followers and a handful of Republicans in Congress that are either deluded or motivated by self-interest (stupidly as it seems)...all choosing a single individual's word over EVERYONE else. And you'd deny you're seeking a dictator?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Right, you chose Biden because of his stellar record after 47 years in public service, such a record that you cannot even post a successful initiative.

I already have. In another thread where you performed this exact same schtick I gave you a list of accomplishments and here you are asking the same thing all over again. What's comical about your logic is it fails at supporting your choice of Trump for president in 2016. Trump has no experience in tax policy or anything else in public service, yet you go on about resumes and how private sector experience magically makes a person into a good diplomat and public servant.

Trump went from being the CEO in a private company where he was accountable to no one to a position where he is accountable to many. By the same standard you critique my selection, yours in 2016 would have not passed that very standard. You often mention that business people make good presidents because they understand the private sector, yet we've only had 6 out of 45 who have come from that sector. Interestingly enough, it's been a mixed bag of results with those who did poorly in business doing the best and those who did well in business not faring very well as president. Odd, huh?

 

[Conservative]

And you chose Trump???
WHY???

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Grow up, this is a debate forum, not a childish playground. Your hatred of Trump is based upon pure ignorance of civics, the Constitution, economics and history. Results don't matter to as all you do is what most liberals do, divert blame to someone else for your own poor choices. Post 11 is totally ignored showing that Trump did indeed love this country

 

[Conservative]

I already have. In another thread where you performed this exact same schtick I gave you a list of accomplishments and here you are asking the same thing all over again. What's comical about your logic is it fails at supporting your choice of Trump for president in 2016. Trump has no experience in tax policy or anything else in public service, yet you go on about resumes and how private sector experience magically makes a person into a good diplomat and public servant.

Trump went from being the CEO in a private company where he was accountable to no one to a position where he is accountable to many. By the same standard you critique my selection, yours in 2016 would have not passed that very standard. You often mention that business people make good presidents because they understand the private sector, yet we've only had 6 out of 45 who have come from that sector. Interestingly enough, it's been a mixed bag of results with those who did poorly in business doing the best and tho

I assure you that you would never have survived me as your employer with the attitude you have. Trump didn't lose the election it was stolen. You now have Biden and have not once in this forum given us the Biden record that justified your vote. You bought rhetoric as you always do and as does all living in major cities ignoring actual results. Trump personality trumped the very good he did in this country. Got my first Covid19 shot on January 6 thanks to "Project Warp Speed" That was Trump's responsibility and leadership that got that vaccine out to the public. on top of his economic polices and foreign policy successes, all ignored by you thus returning us to the era of Jimmy Carter. You are indeed a single issue voter buying rhetoric and voting on personality not results.

 

[Conservative]

Proof? That's a joke unless you take into consideration what he inherited from Obama. He didnt take over in a vacuum.

Mine were conservative Sunday school teachers who taught me not to trust liars and cheaters and incompetents without question, and not based blindly on party or belief.

Demonstrably wrong for hundreds of thousands of unnecessarily dead people. Your refusal to understand or acknowledge that doesnt affect its truth. I see it necessary to the safe progression of democracy in our country to call out his gross negligence and depraved indifference and complete incompetence as a leader so that we never see it happen again. That is purpose, not hate. And with that goal in mind, holding him accountable is wholly justified.

I blame a shitty, useless con man/demagogue and I can lay ALL those things at his door.


I dont even understand your 2nd sentence. Why couldnt they? But the rest is pure garbage that you are willing to swallow because you will never admit you were wrong about the POS in the WH. It was all proven false in any substantial way.

~60 FAILED legal challenges and The Donald-appointed DHS head of cyber security and AG Barr claim no widespread evidence of fraud? And why did so many Republican governors, secretaries of state, and election officials agree? And why so many federal judges appointed by The Donald, including 3 on SCOTUS, not buy into it either? And again...why no Senate hearings or investigations? (Actually there were some but all "legally failed.")​

Who would you trust to investigate and adjudicate the 2020 election? It seems that EVERYBODY else is wrong and only your demigod is right...good lord, what does that tell you? Only you followers and a handful of Republicans in Congress that are either deluded or motivated by self-interest (stupidly as it seems)...all choosing a single individual's word over EVERYONE else. And you'd deny you're seeking a dictator?

Are you ever going to tell us how any of those so called Trump results affected you and your Sunday school teacher parents? You going to explain to us what a 47 year career politician and radical VP a heartbeat away is going to do to make this country stronger and better, convert us to California

Make America California Again? That's Biden's plan - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Why are you blaming Trump for the deaths from Covid19 and are you going to provide the law that gave him control over the cities and states to prevent those deaths from happening? Is it Trump's fault that Cuomo sent infected seniors back to their nursing homes or that still today people aren't allowed to go back to work to benefit from Trump's economic policies? You have been bought and paid for by the radical left, now pay the price for Biden/Harris

As for the election, it is over Biden stole it according to 74 million Americans and NO audit of ballots, now what??

 

[Conservative]

And cost lives and quite possibly could have cost far more...

Tell me exactly what Trump should have done and what would have been legal?

 

[jakiejakester]

I assure you that you would never have survived me as your employer with the attitude you have. Trump didn't lose the election it was stolen.

How sad is it for someone to believe that the election was stolen. It's pathetic that anyone would continue to make such a bogus claim. What sort of grasp on reality does someone have to deny despite irrefutable proof that Biden won that it was fixed? It's embarrassing and sad at the same time. If someone believes that there's no reason to believe anything they think or post. Yikes!

 

[Conservative]

How sad is it for someone to believe that the election was stolen. It's pathetic that anyone would continue to make such a bogus claim. What sort of grasp on reality does someone have to deny despite irrefutable proof that Biden won that it was fixed? It's embarrassing and sad at the same time. If someone believes that there's no reason to believe anything they think or post. Yikes!

What is really sad is that millions and millions of so called Americans couldn't get off their asses and go to the polls for early voting, on election day, or qualify for an official absentee ballot like our military. What is really sad is people like you defending this and ignoring how states like yours and California continue to lose citizens yet have record turnout for the election, California for example 4 million more votes in 2020 than 2016. Wonder if that has anything to do with sending ballots to all registered voters even if those voters don't reside in the state.

What is proof is that people like you buy rhetoric and when you get the results you want nothing else matters. You have Biden, now what?? After 4 years of destroying Trump not sure what you people are going to do but am sure that judging results won't be one of them

 

[Logician Man]

Grow up, this is a debate forum, not a childish playground. Your hatred of Trump is based upon pure ignorance of civics, the Constitution, economics and history. Results don't matter to as all you do is what most liberals do, divert blame to someone else for your own poor choices. Post 11 is totally ignored showing that Trump did indeed love this country

Bullshit. Trump loves Putin, who hates this country.

 

[Luce]

Why do you care? what purpose would it serve and how does it benefit you and your family? Hatred is what you spew, get a life!!

It would make me feel all warm & squishy inside.