This is why we need gun control

[AlabamaPaul]

good point, but I oppose further encroachments

I just want to see how far he/she wants to take this...

 

[TurtleDude]

I just want to see how far he/she wants to take this...

deep down most progressives will support any and all things they think will harass conservatives the most.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

deep down most progressives will support any and all things they think will harass conservatives the most.

It's not about one political side against another. It's about respect for the Constitution...

 

[upsideguy]

Oh please...

I dont know how many times I have showed them, but if you want I will show them again.

The crime statistics of the US and the entire ****ing world clearly show that availability of firearms is NOT the main course of crime. It is poverty and social conflict.

I don't know how much you showed them either. In mind, its never. So, instead of making wild-ass assertions that may or may not be true (and are most likely just your personal impressions, right or wrong)... why don't you actually add some substance and educate us all. Please show us the crime statistics that "clearly show ....... its poverty and social conflict" Intelligent people like substance; not personal impressions (which may or may not be wrong)...

 

[TurtleDude]

It's not about one political side against another. It's about respect for the Constitution...

when it comes to the 2A, most of the disrespect comes from the left

 

[AlabamaPaul]

when it comes to the 2A, most of the disrespect comes from the left

And yet, when people find a clause in their favor, they'll beat everyone else over the head with it. I'm interested to understand the conflict in the thinking...

 

[LagerHead]

It was in this debate, I explained it two or three times and you still claim you don't know.

I don't always read every single post in a thread. Sometimes I respond to specific arguments individually without reading everything before and after. I am sure I am quite unique in that aspect.

Border security is a problem that makes it more difficult to control firearms. However this doesn't mean we shouldn't do other things to try and control them. No solution is perfect and the idea that we shouldn't do anything because of it is a fallacy.

We do plenty. There are thousands of gun laws nationwide in this country. They control the manufacture, distribution, sale, use, capacity, carry, transportation, and storage of firearms. Criminals break every conceivable law daily, but you think you have found the magic bullet that will actually reduce crime? You'll excuse me if I don't just take your uneducated word on it.

I have told you FOUR times now that you cannot file a serial number off a weapon it is still retrievable through forensic analysis as the stamp goes all the way to the core of the steel.

And I have told you that you don't know what you're talking about. You are wrong. Or you are lying. Or you have proof what you are saying is true. I can walk into my room right now and pick up any of my guns and see plain as day that you are as wrong as the day is long. Again, your word means nothing here. You have made the claim, therefore the burden is upon you to provide the proof.

 

[TurtleDude]

And yet, when people find a clause in their favor, they'll beat everyone else over the head with it. I'm interested to understand the conflict in the thinking...

it comes down to those who want to be left alone vs those who want to make other people pay for their existence

 

[AlabamaPaul]

it comes down to those who want to be left alone vs those who want to make other people pay for their existence

We can' just pick and choose the parts of the Constitution with which we agree. It's an all or nothing proposition unless it's amended...

 

[TurtleDude]

We can' just pick and choose the parts of the Constitution with which we agree. It's an all or nothing proposition unless it's amended...

Oh I agree, and my version of the constitution does not require engaging in such idiocy as claiming "shall not be infringed" ACTUALLY MEANS all sorts of INFRINGEMENTS are intended. Or that the commerce clause was intended to allow federal gun control or to tell a farmer what he could grow on his own farm

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Oh I agree, and my version of the constitution does not require engaging in such idiocy as claiming "shall not be infringed" ACTUALLY MEANS all sorts of INFRINGEMENTS are intended. Or that the commerce clause was intended to allow federal gun control or to tell a farmer what he could grow on his own farm

We would agree here...

 

[LaMidRighter]

And yet, when people find a clause in their favor, they'll beat everyone else over the head with it. I'm interested to understand the conflict in the thinking...

I have a very simple test for any clause of the constitution. If a desired outcome requires more than one step in the logical process to make the constitution fit then the power most likely does not exist. I also try to best ascertain the language of the day. I've been challenged on immigration, that falls under the defensive powers granted to the federal, the federal was granted no powers to control arms, speech, and especially not interstate commerce upon any honest reading of the document(the "commerce clause" is actually the interstate, foreign, and indian commerce clause meaning it deals with intergovernmental trade, NOT trade simply based upon crossing state or territorial borders). Probably the most abused three parts are the declaration("Wellfare", providing for the "common good, no powers granted, it was a statement giving reason to the document as a whole), the second is tortured to death since around the late 1800s, and the ninth/tenth.

Of course, those who want power now have the fourth, fifth, and first in their sights as well so those who support the abusers of the constitution would do well to wake up and quickly.

 

[Jerry]

Video won't load. What is this thread about?

 

[Jerry]

Ok video loaded. Fat bearded dude singing like a fag, 4 seconds in my eyes started to bleed and I turned it off.

 

[Jerry]

Where do illegal guns come from?

Illegal guns come from President Obama, if you're a Mexican gang.

 

[DDD]

Isn't that what gun control is? Keeping idiots from getting guns.

Idiots, psychopaths, sociopaths, impulsive murderers, and paranoid schizophrenics. All of whom may have greater probability to abuse 2A right (i.e., use guns to attack) rather than use (i.e., use guns to defend) 2A rights.

 

[jamesrage]

:lol: You might be on to something here...

That does seem to be the point of your OP.

 

[tech30528]

So WE need gun control because of a British video?

 

[American]

Oh please...

I dont know how many times I have showed them, but if you want I will show them again.

The crime statistics of the US and the entire ****ing world clearly show that availability of firearms is NOT the main course of crime. It is poverty and social conflict.

I guess what we need is to get control of the race hustlers.

 

[blackjack50]

My right to protect my family shouldn't be handicapped by morons. End thread.

 

[Verax]

how do you confiscate weapons not registered? why don't you go house to house trying to confiscate said guns

Obviously its not practical or wise to force such an event. Weapons found coincidentally through search, investigations, etc. would be dealt with as they are discovered. Gun registration is not a silver bullet that would magically account for all weapons, as I said before it would take decades.

 

[Verax]

What do you think would happen if the government tried confiscation and would criminal elements have any incentive to register their "likely" illegal weapons?

If a person is given a warning and plenty of opportunity to register their weapon then that is their problem. Perhaps they could get their weapon back after they register it.

Obviously criminals cannot register illegal weapons and if caught they would already have their weapons confiscated and prosecuted by current laws.

 

[Verax]

No, he advocates, as a final resort, killing people who try to Unconstitutionally violate our rights.

As did our Founders, btw.

Just like when the South fought for their "rights" to own other human beings.

Gun registration is hardly an unreasonable request.

Many interpret the 2a as the right to bear arms as part of a militia. This is terribly outdated and really has no relevance 250+ years in the future.

 

[Verax]

I don't always read every single post in a thread. Sometimes I respond to specific arguments individually without reading everything before and after. I am sure I am quite unique in that aspect.



We do plenty. There are thousands of gun laws nationwide in this country. They control the manufacture, distribution, sale, use, capacity, carry, transportation, and storage of firearms. Criminals break every conceivable law daily, but you think you have found the magic bullet that will actually reduce crime? You'll excuse me if I don't just take your uneducated word on it.



And I have told you that you don't know what you're talking about. You are wrong. Or you are lying. Or you have proof what you are saying is true. I can walk into my room right now and pick up any of my guns and see plain as day that you are as wrong as the day is long. Again, your word means nothing here. You have made the claim, therefore the burden is upon you to provide the proof.

Properly documenting and registering every weapon would bring accountability to weapons and thus control their distribution limiting their availability to criminals.

A simple Google search would educate you on firearm serial number recovery. All weapons should have one if they do not already.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/forensic-science/Pages/serial-number-restoration.aspx

 

[Verax]

Illegal guns come from President Obama, if you're a Mexican gang.

This is a great example. All those guns bought through straw purchase should be registered and documented. When they turn up in the wrong hands, used to kill a border agent, in drug cartels, the purchaser should get life in prison. The dealer also shouldn't be able to sell dozens of weapons in that fashion either, its ridiculous.