This is What Happens Without Mandatory Family Values

[XDU]

I think you need a dictionary.

Changing careers is not anarchy...

People do it all of the time. Just a fact.

You understand just because something is some way doesn't mean something ought to be some way, yes?

 

[XDU]

Are you a disgruntled child care worker?

No. I just care.

 

[Lursa]

Yea, but that doesn't honor the time lost by those who trained accordingly.

Where is that an expectation? Source that? We're not discussing people taking other people's jobs. And if someone is capable and out competes someone for a job, so what? They still earned it. Good lord, who wants to value education or training for training's sake? That's like a worthless English Lit degree.

The point being those workers signed contracts, yet the contracts are broken by customer abuse. The employers refuse to hold the customers accountable, and the government is too awkward to back up the situation because it ultimately boils down to people wanting the right to have kids while refusing to raise their kids to treat others with respect.

It's a really basic civility issue.

Child care in day care centers requires little formal training. You've picked a seriously poor hill to die on here. And unless there are abuses, the govt should stay out of it. The places are already regulated.

 

[XDU]

Where is that an expectation? Source that? We're not discussing people taking other people's jobs. And if someone is capable and out competes someone for a job, so what? They still earned it. Good lord, who wants to value education or training for training's sake? That's like a worthless English Lit degree.



Child care in day care centers requires little formal training. You've picked a seriously poor hill to die on here. And unless there are abuses, the govt should stay out of it. The places are already regulated.

Yes, we are talking about their jobs. That was the point of the OP. The link is back there.

 

[Lursa]

Yes, we are talking about their jobs. That was the point of the OP. The link is back there.

Doesnt change my response.

 

[XDU]

OK well... my wife loves you guys and she's kissing me to come to bed and telling me to type this while smiling and poking my waist.

Bye for now.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

How do you suppose CPS enforces things as it is?

If anything CPS is currently not effective enough at enforcement. This would give it the teeth it needs to get the job done.

God, you're right. CPS should be taking children away from people like you so you don't poison their brains with violent, right wing filth. Why do you hate our country and our freedom so much?

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Boss, this is a really simple point.

You drew a conclusion from my premise. I'm asking how you drew it.

Any conclusion that I made came from reading your posts. Is that simple enough?

And do not call me boss unless you are my employee.

 

[vegas giants]

That's naive. IRL, families exist among one another's. Minding your own business is asking for your family to get taken advantage of.

Then people have the right to judge you for abandoning your family for a year. It works both ways

 

[danielpalos]

My concern is people are taking advantage of child care workers. They shouldn't be pressured out of a job because parents don't raise their kids well.

With equal protection of our own laws, parents would be able to obtain unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed under our form of capitalism where capital Must circulate. Recourse to an income would enable greater market based participation by more potential consumers.

 

[NolanVoyd]

You understand just because something is some way doesn't mean something ought to be some way, yes?

I think people ought to be able to change careers if they want to.

Amazing that you don't.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

"Mandatory family values"?

You just took fascism to a whole new level.

It's where every totalitarian regime goes. For example, the CCP has very socially conservative policies, as did the Soviets, and for that matter, the Nazis. Some people have this notion that totalitarianism is things like employer vaccine mandates or environmental protection rules. In reality, history has shown time and time again that literally every totalitarian regime is socially conservative.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

The right to work alongside the right to have children should only be granted to people who graduate fully from public education in understanding how contracts and social contracts work.

In turn, part of that should include noting which adult retains the right to work when they get married, understanding that marriage going back to the paleolithic era was a means by which adults in clans, villages, and tribes secured childraising responsibilities.

If you have kids outside of marriage, your kids go to an orphanage and you become compelled to do community service that pays for that child's upbringing until they graduate from public education.

Jesus Christ this is just crazy. Even North Korea and Nazi Germany was not that totalitarian. What a truly ****ed up worldview.

 

[ataraxia]

The gist of the problem is child care workers are in shortage because parents aren't raising their kids with respect, so they're suffering burnout.

The idea of mandatory family values is to ensure parents raise their kids to be respectful.

Yes. Perhaps we can look to the Catholic priesthood for leadership and guidance on how to raise our kids with respect and family values.

 

[bomberfox]

What I consider is the legitimacy of the policy unto itself before considering complications.

We don't need complications to become self-fulfilling prophecies by worrying about them too fast, especially when successful policies often depend upon multiple policies being implemented simultaneously to avoid complications in the first place.

If complications remain after those considerations, then we consider them.

Thats not how proper reasoning or proper policy works. Both must be considered.

 

[bomberfox]

Having a long view of life includes realizing how side effects often come about from the very fear of them happening in the first place.

This is why we consider whether an endeavor is legitimate unto itself before considering side effects - to make sure our concerns are not fearful.

You dont have a long view of life either.

 

[bomberfox]

Yes. Perhaps we can look to the Catholic priesthood for leadership and guidance on how to raise our kids with respect and family values.

Buh buh that was just a few!!!! /sarc

 

[bomberfox]

If they're not necessary, then why do we need to consider them up front?

Doing so would be obsessive.

This is what happens when you live in thought experiment world.

 

[bomberfox]

Civil society is based on a balance of authority and liberty, not going all out one way or another.

When people put freedom first, it inevitably enables libertinism which becomes anarchy, and anarchy breeds its own tyranny where some people just rashly abuse others outside of the State.

Anarchy is the lack of hierarchy.

 

[bomberfox]

My kids understand what it means to become adults. They're not allowed to cry about things gone awry. When you're an adult, you take responsibility for the decisions you make, so don't make hasty decisions.

It
Does
Not
Matter.

 

[bomberfox]

Nothing.

What is pathological is histrionic personality disorder when people make rash decisions in life just for fun and don't expect to be held accountable for their actions while making appeals to absurdity to avoid getting held accountable.

None of this is ever going to become reality so you are just pissing in the wind.

 

[bomberfox]

Pragmatism comes from the secularization of postmillennialism which tries to predict the endtimes from a literal interpretation of the Book of Revelations.

Idealists understand how the future can be revealed in many different ways, so we should be openminded to all of that potential instead of presuming potential will actualize in a specific direction.

Likewise, practical people adapt to the circumstances at hand instead of jumping to conclusions.

Utopians assume the future will be OK if people just follow their lead.

Again, idealism is practical. Pragmatism is utopian.

Word salad.

 

[bomberfox]

One second...

...here you are: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2711630

That's the movement which motivated William James, Charles Sanders Peirce, and John Dewey to formalize pragmatism... who were explicitly anti-Catholic btw.

The reason there being the traditional dispute over good works and how they apply to salvation. Pragmatists are value pluralism who do not believe salvation can be achieved in any mysterious way.

Irrelevant to the use of pragmatism in this thread.

 

[bomberfox]

No. I just care.

Nah ya dont.

 

[XDU]

With equal protection of our own laws, parents would be able to obtain unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed under our form of capitalism where capital Must circulate. Recourse to an income would enable greater market based participation by more potential consumers.

To be fair, many child care workers aren't parents themselves. They work in child care because they love dealing with kids, but don't want their own.